How Many Weeks For Kozzy?

[Redleg 40,219]

It’s about circumstances beyond your control.

One second before impact Moore is standing up straight.

He didn’t bend down exposing his head, he actually dropped his knees, putting his head much lower and in line for contact. Kozzie is coming at pace and in one second has to avoid a head that wasn’t there as he ran in.

Kozzie is also looking down at the ball at the moment of impact and trying to kick it.

The dropping by Moore is a circumstance outside Kozzie’s control and that is what he pleads at the tribunal. There is no head contact if Moore doesn’t drop.

Also Moore jumped straight up and took his kick and played on. He was subbed off later at half time. How do we know conclusively what caused the concussion, which is the reason for the suspension? 

[demon3165 2,576]

Now I'm one who doesn't winge about umpires or MRV but 3 games for that, Moore went to ground nearly the same time as he came through there is know why he expected More to drop lower what a joke, I expect the club to appeal.

[No10 441]

2 hours ago, fr_ap said:

Despite all of that...you're missing the point.

He elected to bump. How circumstances turned against him after that election are irrelevant. 

He elected to bump and concussed a player. 

It's a textbook suspension, everything else is irrelevant 

I'd say this is wrong - but indeed was the basis of the decision.

The appeal should be that BOTH players elected to bump. But Moore SLID, KNEE first.

That's an illegal action and Moore sliding caused the incident.

Knees first into any contact is dangerous. Sliding specifically is illegal. That's why Moore has to be held accountable and Kossy should be cleared.

Will win on appeal.

Edited August 24 by No10

[Demonsterative 3,018]

13 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Now I'm one who doesn't winge about umpires or MRV but 3 games for that, Moore went to ground nearly the same time as he came through there is know why he expected More to drop lower what a joke, I expect the club to appeal.

I’ll put my hand up and say Im exhausted by this year and the AFL. Kozzie is part of this puzzle. 
 

History says the club will do zilch. 
 

Gus was a bigger and more important fish. This  issue is whitebait in the scale of things of Gus. 

[Engorged Onion 10,137]

definitely needed it's own thread...

[DiscoStu17 678]

Should appeal. 
But there again, I thought it should have been Kozzie’s free for Moore taking his legs. 
At the very least, Kozzie could have no idea that Moore would be going to ground so far from the ball. He is not a mind reader. 
They probably won’t appeal. 
 

[praha 11,124]

16 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

definitely needed it's own thread...

Needs its own site.

'Kozzieland'

[640MD 3,326]

Agree should appeal and vigorously but they shoulda done that last year

[Demonstone 21,825]

The existing Kozzy thread not good enough for yas?  

[Dee-tonator 160]

The AFL has now made it clear that in these borderline cases of bump + head injury the benefit of the doubt will go to the injured player. So the player who chooses to bump takes the risk of a ban as the outcome.

Unfortunately Kozzie has built up a bit of a reputation for the occasional reckless act, and Goodwin doesn't seem to have found a way to rein him in.

Kozzie was a bit unlucky inasmuch as Moore ducked down very late, but by then he had definitely chosen to bump.

So once again he misses the start of a season through an unnecessary action, this time in a match in which nothing was at stake except pride.

[FreedFromDesire 662]

3 hours ago, Chook said:

I've said it for ages - nothing will change until you start penalising the concussed player too, if they are found to have contributed to the severity. Add a one week suspension to be served after their next game back, in any cases where failure to uphold duty of care to yourself and you'll see players be more careful not to recklessly put their head where angels fear to tread.

There would be outcry of course (punishing the victim), but this is not a one-way street. Every player has a duty of care on the football field, including the duty of care players have to themselves.

I don't think a suspension for being concussed will ever happen, even in the circumstances you described. I don't really have an answer as it stands. Could they make the concussion protocols longer perhaps? I don't know. I think the answer is to completely get rid of the current MRO system where thousands of completely different incidents have to be forced into a very small set of criteria. It's not working anymore, if it ever really did. 

[red and blue forever 905]

probably unpopular opinion.

 

I am glad Kozzie thumped moore

 

any suspension is worth it,

 

two words

 

Brayshaw, Petracca

 

(will probably remove this tomorrow when sober)

[Jibroni 4,929]

59 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Now I'm one who doesn't winge about umpires or MRV but 3 games for that, Moore went to ground nearly the same time as he came through there is know why he expected More to drop lower what a joke, I expect the club to appeal.

There was already a thread for this.

[Dingo 1,017]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

It’s about circumstances beyond your control.

One second before impact Moore is standing up straight.

He didn’t bend down exposing his head, he actually dropped his knees, putting his head much lower and in line for contact. Kozzie is coming at pace and in one second has to avoid a head that wasn’t there as he ran in.

Kozzie is also looking down at the ball at the moment of impact and trying to kick it.

The dropping by Moore is a circumstance outside Kozzie’s control and that is what he pleads at the tribunal. There is no head contact if Moore doesn’t drop.

Also Moore jumped straight up and took his kick and played on. He was subbed off later at half time. How do we know conclusively what caused the concussion, which is the reason for the suspension? 

Thank you

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,583]

Why was that not a free kick to Kozzie for dangerous play by Moore sliding into the contest.

This has to be brought into the calculations.

Ridiculous AFL, absolutely ridiculous.

[GM11 745]

6 hours ago, Demonstone said:

For those arguing that Pickett should not be suspended, here's a hypothetical.

Would you take the same view if all circumstances were identical but Maynard was the player making contact and Kozzy was subbed out with concussion as a result? 

In other words, are you seeing this incident through a red and blue lens (like we all do at times)?

On past evidence Maynard would be exonerated.

[dl4e 5,850]

3 weeks. What a pathetic joke.

[Demonstone 21,825]

4 minutes ago, GM11 said:

On past evidence Maynard would be exonerated.

Maybe so, but that wasn't the question.

[Ouch! 2,205]

5 hours ago, loges said:

Moore completely causes this incident by electing to slide in at the last second, trouble is our advocate is a dud plus Gleeson will deny any expert testimony.

Don't disagree, but I don't think it matters. If you chose to bump, and you make contact with the head you are stuffed. 

[layzie 32,938]

You may as well buy a lottery ticket if you think he gets off, no matter how much logic you can provide. 

Edited August 24 by layzie

[layzie 32,938]

Merge 

[Lucifers Hero 38,985]

22 minutes ago, layzie said:

You may as well buy a lottery ticket if you think he gets off, no matter how much logic you can provide. 

Agreed, there is no chance Kozzie will get off.

The best hope is to reduce the number of weeks by arguing he wasn't careless and it was reasonable action in the circumstances.  Or argue the 'severe impact' down to 'high impact' especially as Moore played on and showed no signs on the field.  Of course it depends on what the Coll doctor report says ...

 

fwiw, Houston didn't even hit the Crows player in the head.  It was the shoulder but the MRO and Tribunal deemed it to be high anyway because it was 'the top of the shoulder'.  Go figure!

They make up the rules to suit the outcome they want.  The only leniency on tackles etc this year has been to Brownlow candidates or 'famous' players. 

Edited August 24 by Lucifers Hero

[DubDee 24,438]

Absolute disgrace 

If Moore stands up like a man there is shoulder on shoulder 

Kozzi punished for Moore dropping to his knees

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,383]

Four MRO suspensions between round 1 2023 and round 24 2024.

I’m sorry but it’s not good enough from a highly paid professional.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,383]

Not a hope in hell gets off. Your opponent gets concussed you’re gone in 2024.

If a Collingwood player did it to one of our players we’d be screaming blue murder and booing him for the remainder of the game.

Kozzie needs to stop putting himself in these vulnerable positions, and they’ll be livid he’ll be unavailable until round 4.