Christian Petracca

[JJJ 1,001]

1 hour ago, binman said:

Very reasonable questions - particularly about the efficacy long term of a model that has players repeatedly saying variations of 'no club trains harder than we do'.

Maybe the Burgess Griffith method and philosophy has a shelf life?

Maybe every method does.

There are so many variables (eg the impact of two byes, evolution of game plans) and mitigating factors (injury, interrupted preseasons, youth of the list) it's hard to fairly assess the high performance program.

But as is my wont I like to lean into known facts.

And one clear fact is the only part of the season where we were running out games to a level the game demands is in the first seven or so rounds- ie when you'd expect us to be in the best possible condition.

And another fact is blind freddy can see that, as evidenced by a number of data points (eg our last quarter scoring)we are paddling atm.

On the positive side of the ledger, we have once again had comparatively very few soft tissue injuries.

Most professional cyclists require change of training methods after 4-5 years. Unless they are on rocket fuel of course.

[JJJ 1,001]

1 hour ago, Binmans PA said:

Rivers, Koz, McVee, Windsor, Kolt, AMW, Howes, JVR, Turner, Bowey and now Jefferson all sit in his program. And Petty, Chandler and Spargo have all come through it recently.

Not quite sure if you're serious...

I agree with most of what you say but I do not get the Bowey love. To me he hasn’t really progressed since early 2022.

I think our development is on par with most clubs.

[Gawndy the Great 9,008]

Only 1/2 page of more comments in the last 1/2 hour? That is poor effort DL. I too don't like the direction this thread is taking. 

[Jaded No More 67,598]

7 minutes ago, JJJ said:

I agree with most of what you say but I do not get the Bowey love. To me he hasn’t really progressed since early 2022.

 

True, but he also sustained a serious injury in round 0 (thru sheer bravery!) that saw him miss 2 months of football. His season never recovered.

[FreedFromDesire 583]

3 hours ago, Dee*ceiving said:

Selwyn Griffiths? 

Clearly we've fostered a mindset of resilience and playing through pain and injury since the Burgess days. Perhaps this midset/tactic has taken to heavy of a toll?

Perhaps SG (or others in the FD) have played the card to often or too hard? If it's not Goody that's a source of discontent for CP5, who might a bigger influence than the head of high performance? 

It does seem like we've made mistakes with injury returns and timings since Burgess left. Griffith is highly rated in AFL circles, but perhaps he's not as well versed in that specific area of resilience and it's boundaries? The other factor could be, given what we know of Goodwin's philosophy on conservative injury management, that Burgess had more say in regards to selection timing and injury recovery timeframes as he comes across as a very strong and direct personality.

In saying that, as far as I know it's more the club doctor(s) that have the say in injury return timeframes than the High Performance Manager, so us on the outside could even be on totally the wrong path given we only pay attention to those main names.

Whoever is to blame, be it fitness staff, coaches, football bosses, it's clear that after Burgess left things fell apart. In 2021 we were flying on top of the ground come finals time, but in the three years since we've gotten worse as the year has gone on from a collective fitness perspective in my opinion, and it has cost us two sets of finals, has ruined one preseason, and currently it threatens to ruin another one should we fall on the wrong side of resilience again.

Please take that as a supporter's opinion from the outside though, those are just my thoughts based on observing, and want to make it clear I have no idea where the blame lies - and perhaps it's more broad than one person/area anyway.

Edited August 13 by FreedFromDesire

[dazzledavey36 52,690]

41 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Iirc, someone on here posted quite a while back that Choco has a 'best before' of 2-3 years at a club in which his effectiveness holds.

What was his record before coming to us (obviously he won a flag at PA)?

Previous to us he had:

3 years at Richmond

2 years at GWS

9 years at Port Adelaide as head coach. 

[rufus 1,044]

23 minutes ago, tincan said:

Trac would be one of the most influential players at our club. So if there's any truth to the rumors about issues with our club culture, it’s the senior players like Trac who should be reflecting on their own leadership, rather than looking to leave.

Like x 1000.

These are the guys who were out on the field and had the opportunity to affect the result for the club in big finals the last 2 years.

Sounds like lots of issues behind the scenes at the Hawks during their golden period last decade...but when push came to shove their leaders stood up where it really matters (on the field) and found a way to get it done. Ours have failed. That's where I'd be looking in the end of season review. Maybe ours just aren't good enough.

[Watson11 2,195]

6 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Previous to us he had:

3 years at Richmond

2 years at GWS

9 years at Port Adelaide as head coach. 

He was 12 years at Port.  Had 6 more years after their flag.  

[Pirlo 813]

The club puts out a damage control email, something they never ordinarily do unless there is a big story, and people genuinely take it as the club being in control of the story and putting the journalists to rights.

If this was idle speculation, and Trac was perfectly happy, they wouldn't have bothered to release a statement.

The footy club is a business that these people run. They have at no point denied the story, and simply said they won't be indulging a trade request but will be taking his feedback about the direction of the club in the nature it was intended.

[Gawndy the Great 9,008]

3 minutes ago, Pirlo said:

The club puts out a damage control email, something they never ordinarily do unless there is a big story, and people genuinely take it as the club being in control of the story and putting the journalists to rights.

If this was idle speculation, and Trac was perfectly happy, they wouldn't have bothered to release a statement.

The footy club is a business that these people run. They have at no point denied the story, and simply said they won't be indulging a trade request but will be taking his feedback about the direction of the club in the nature it was intended.

And in that lies the truth.

No denial around Trac being disgruntled or even denial around Trac requesting a trade. 

Instead Pert chose to reinforce that he will not be traded. Is that a public shot back at Trac giving him his answer?

[Sydee 4,182]

7 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

And in that lies the truth.

No denial around Trac being disgruntled or even denial around Trac requesting a trade. 

Instead Pert chose to reinforce that he will not be traded. Is that a public shot back at Trac giving him his answer?

They didn’t need any denial he requested a trade because he hasn’t requested one - is this not obvious? 

[Moonshadow 17,464]

Good on Trac if he's p**sed off with where we are at. I hope he and all players can have open and honest discussions with the club and expect to be heard. There must be issues they want to vent or shout about given our decline. FCS we could end up bottom 4, what player wouldn't think we need changes? But they also need to be part of the solution 

I can understand Trac being unhappy with some things, including how his injury was apparently handled, but it's a long bow to think that he wants out

Either way, it's all speculation and rumour. We probably know sfa about the truth on this.

[DeeZone 8,924]

1 hour ago, von said:

I’m putting money on big changes not happening. Probably moderate changes. Not unlike a lot of off seasons.

Von it is all conjecture at the moment our CEO has said that the club is already into a thorough review of all aspects of the football department so I’m thinking there will be changes in personnel to get the best results for the club.

[Deelectable 1,043]

Demonland have closed threads for less. Please mods treat like a pre gameday thread and shut it down. This story is well and truly over. Correction.  Never a story. Just Tom Morris garbage!

[Demon17 5,021]

21 minutes ago, Pirlo said:

The club puts out a damage control email, something they never ordinarily do unless there is a big story, and people genuinely take it as the club being in control of the story and putting the journalists to rights.

If this was idle speculation, and Trac was perfectly happy, they wouldn't have bothered to release a statement.

The footy club is a business that these people run. They have at no point denied the story, and simply said they won't be indulging a trade request but will be taking his feedback about the direction of the club in the nature it was intended.

Not necessarily. 

Pert understands that as this 28 page thread shows alleged big stories can build by members and need knocking off quickly. Nothing to do with truth or otherwise.

Good job Gary.

[Demon17 5,021]

4 minutes ago, Deelectable said:

Demonland have closed threads for less. Please mods treat like a pre gameday thread and shut it down. This story is well and truly over. Correction.  Never a story. Just Tom Morris garbage!

Well put  and take note mods

[Sydee 4,182]

4 minutes ago, Deelectable said:

Demonland have closed threads for less. Please mods treat like a pre gameday thread and shut it down. This story is well and truly over. Correction.  Never a story. Just Tom Morris garbage!

What ? Since when does a forum specifically set up to allow supporters of the MFC to discuss issues and offer opinions get shut down because it gets a bit uncomfortable for some people? 

I have absolutely no doubt about certain things irrespective of whatever Tom Morris says (and btw you are welcome to have your own opinion) 

1. there would be many, if not all, senior players and officials unhappy with how this season has panned out 

2. I would be astonished if CP5 was not amongst those 

3. I have no doubt given the circumstances that there would be internal (uncomfortable) discussions ongoing because like it or not our season is over and we have performed well below expectations 

4. I have no doubt that Trac has not asked for a trade and that part of this story is either complete BS or been misinterpreted 

Given our season and how critical it is for us to address and reflect on this seasons failings I think this type of discussion is entirely appropriate - actually more than that it is healthy and necessary 

[640MD 3,312]

44 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

And in that lies the truth.

No denial around Trac being disgruntled or even denial around Trac requesting a trade. 

Instead Pert chose to reinforce that he will not be traded. Is that a public shot back at Trac giving him his answer?

Sounds reasonable to me. 
no denial.   No lies. Your on a really good contract and we expect compliance.

a pretty straight bat, I reckon.

[Cranky Franky 1,814]

The Club backs Trac 100% - that's usually a guarantee that he's gorn for all money 😂😂

[Willmoy1947 3,957]

While your getting into Morris get into Moore as well

[drdrake 3,115]

1 hour ago, von said:

You can’t polish a [censored]. Recruit bad kicks, live with bad kicks, as they say.

100% correct, I had this discussion with a few years back, after about the age of 13 or 14 years old it gets hard to retrain someone to be a better kick.  You can mask it but as soon as the pressure comes on the poor biomachanics kick in.

It is a lit easier to build a players running capacity then try to improve their kick.

Just on Williams, never been the same since Alan Richardson joined the club.  Was front and centre in 2021 and now seems to be hidden in the back pocket.

Edited August 13 by drdrake

[layzie 32,717]

E-scooter ban looms.

I can read 9 news too.

Edited August 13 by layzie

[titan_uranus 24,556]

58 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

And in that lies the truth.

No denial around Trac being disgruntled or even denial around Trac requesting a trade. 

Instead Pert chose to reinforce that he will not be traded. Is that a public shot back at Trac giving him his answer?

There’s no report that he requested a trade. The only thing that comes close is the hypothetical “if he were out of contract he would request one”.

Which could be true, but could also easily be exaggerated journalistic guff. 

[spirit of norm smith 15,056]

1 hour ago, demon3165 said:

28 pages of hearsay is hilarious.

Did I hear 29… on a puff of smoke !! 

Edited August 13 by spirit of norm smith
WeLoveYaTrac

[Ted Lasso 18,739]

1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

There’s no report that he requested a trade. The only thing that comes close is the hypothetical “if he were out of contract he would request one”.

Which could be true, but could also easily be exaggerated journalistic guff. 

I think that part is Tom Morris being Tom Morris to be honest, contracted players request trades all the time. Tom is really just saying, he won't be going anywhere, but he's really really angry.