I've genuinely tried to come at my opinions on Goody as calmly and as rationally as possible. After round 5 I was not calm and rational, I was beyond fed up, I was livid with what I was seeing.

Now since that time I have seen enough to say that around the ground the game plan is developing and growing, but there are players entrenched in the old style and old instincts, and they go straight towards them when things are falling apart.

So where do I land on Goody now? I think he stays at the very least until the end of the year, he is given the opportunity for the board to see tangible signs that a bounce back is coming, and I would even say should be presenting to them to outline it all. I think beyond the end of this year my gut is that he will stay and see out his contract.

But here's the caveat; there has to be a plan to change our forward line, and he should be implementing that plan NOW. He can't keep doing the same thing and expect it to magically change. Petty is a handy swingman but he is a defender first, and a forward second. I would say the same thing about Disco but he at least seems more natural as a forward. We have to give JVR and Jeffo proper time as forwards, and have them combining together. JVR should not be rucking, it's hurting his development and we won't know whether they've got something unless we give them a proper body of games to prove it.

Casey are playing well, we have players putting their hands up for selection. It's time for us to be ruthless about some of our older dogs, and offer them the opportunity to be tried in different roles. If they don't like it, they get moved on for us to get draft capital.

The positive is that I still (maybe I'm delusional) believe we are a few tweaks and a couple of really solid recruits away from being back to top 6 and beyond. But right now we are close but still so far away.

9 hours ago, picket fence said:

Um Daicos like? And um both in spite if these facts are having great seasons!

Um? Try again when sober PF

6 hours ago, Pates said:

I've genuinely tried to come at my opinions on Goody as calmly and as rationally as possible. After round 5 I was not calm and rational, I was beyond fed up, I was livid with what I was seeing.

Now since that time I have seen enough to say that around the ground the game plan is developing and growing, but there are players entrenched in the old style and old instincts, and they go straight towards them when things are falling apart.

So where do I land on Goody now? I think he stays at the very least until the end of the year, he is given the opportunity for the board to see tangible signs that a bounce back is coming, and I would even say should be presenting to them to outline it all. I think beyond the end of this year my gut is that he will stay and see out his contract.

But here's the caveat; there has to be a plan to change our forward line, and he should be implementing that plan NOW. He can't keep doing the same thing and expect it to magically change. Petty is a handy swingman but he is a defender first, and a forward second. I would say the same thing about Disco but he at least seems more natural as a forward. We have to give JVR and Jeffo proper time as forwards, and have them combining together. JVR should not be rucking, it's hurting his development and we won't know whether they've got something unless we give them a proper body of games to prove it.

Casey are playing well, we have players putting their hands up for selection. It's time for us to be ruthless about some of our older dogs, and offer them the opportunity to be tried in different roles. If they don't like it, they get moved on for us to get draft capital.

The positive is that I still (maybe I'm delusional) believe we are a few tweaks and a couple of really solid recruits away from being back to top 6 and beyond. But right now we are close but still so far away.

Geez l hope you’re wrong

Don’t think l could handle another 18 months of broken promises, disfunctional forward line & woeful disposal, we’ve seen this version for nearly 4 seasons

We need a new start with a new coach & assistants asap

Freshen the joint up, the players don’t seem to be enjoying their footy & we the supporters definitely aren’t

Edited June 20Jun 20 by Billy

52 minutes ago, 48 Year Now said:

Um? Try again when sober PF

I am ALWAYS sober, so will double down on this statement!

On 03/06/2025 at 19:46, Previously known as LITD. said:

May forward would really be an exciting experiment. I think I put in a thread once and I was surprised how many were against it.

Surely worth a try. We have the players to cover him. And I think he would be much better than Petty

I've been hoping for a forward that has strength through his entire core. Someone like Melksham but bigger. I imagine the old ff who stands strong in a pack and marks. Not easily jostled away. Petts has many skills but I'd argue he gets pushed out of the comp too easy.

I wanted to ask peeps if they think Goody is often too slow to make changes during a game?

And stubborn in reversing previous calls. And not one to take risks. Maybe May is a good example. But v the Saints , I thought he could have moved Turner earlier or isolated KP fwd.

Didn't seem to do much for me.

yep I like May forward with JvR.

May could give us some presence as Tom Petty looks nothing like he did when he kicked a stack across six weeks - was that two years ago now?

4 hours ago, picket fence said:

I am ALWAYS sober, so will double down on this statement!

Ok, I didn’t understand the statement

Im not I his corner anymore but just doesn't appear we have chased any big body fwds to assist JVR & our biggest issue our fwd line. Membrey & Darling found homes they wouldn’t be costing those teams a lot, hard to understand why we haven’t chased any

Snap back to reality, Oh there goes gravity!

StK 20

Melb 20

NM 18

2 hours ago, Demonsone said:

Im not I his corner anymore but just doesn't appear we have chased any big body fwds to assist JVR & our biggest issue our fwd line. Membrey & Darling found homes they wouldn’t be costing those teams a lot, hard to understand why we haven’t chased any

over the last three years we have gone for:

• oscar allen

• jake waterman

• nick larkey

• tom lynch

• mitch georgiades

lynch and georgiades the closest to coming to fruition; former only decided at the last minute to stay and be the senior citizen at the tigs and the latter was likely moving before his acl curtailed a likely move

Looks like we'll be battling with Carlton for the next big name coach. 😜

On 19/06/2025 at 22:56, rjay said:

I think this and the management of the club have been bigger issues than many on here think.

...the club has been run this year by an interim President and interim CEO.

Not sure how this has been allowed to happen.

Quite frankly - the Club has been run better since we have had an interim President and CEO. In fact, Green hasn't put a foot wrong. He's presided over the resolution of a bunch of issues that have lingered for years. I'd be more than happy to have him stay on in a 'super-portfolio' role. Something like Minister Without Portfolio But With a Lanyard could work. Alternatively, Life Member of Demonland with the portfolio title of Director of Ritualistic Post-Loss Hand-Wringing.

If you took a look at Melbourne and the WBD a day after the 2021 grand final you would have definitely had the thought of multiple premierships for us and then wondered what scars the dogs will carry after such a heavy GF defeat.

However, as we come to 4 seasons since that 2021 grand final, we've won zero finals since then and looking at another bottom 6 finish while the Dogs are bursting with young talent and looking to make a second consecutive finals series.

I find it really hard to stomach that after that 2021 grand final they're probably going to win a final before us.

On 21/06/2025 at 08:44, whatwhat say what said:

over the last three years we have gone for:

• oscar allen

• jake waterman

• nick larkey

• tom lynch

• mitch georgiades

lynch and georgiades the closest to coming to fruition; former only decided at the last minute to stay and be the senior citizen at the tigs and the latter was likely moving before his acl curtailed a likely move

Also apparently Logan Morris.

On 19/06/2025 at 12:07, Superunknown said:

What would it take for you to be convinced?

For me, 2 factors that would suggest that a change of coach could be a consideration would be:

• first 22/required players wanting to leave and/or not re-signing contracts

• a drastic fall in membership

On 19/06/2025 at 14:48, Pennant St Dee said:

I don’t buy the farm thing, just like I don’t blame umpires, we as Aussies have a shocking habit of finding excuses and laying the blame as to why we lost or didn’t get a player etc.

Cats are fortunate they are outside of Melbourne and provide a great lifestyle which many would love. They have turned their club around through Cook, Costa and Wells. Add to that a gun coach and unique ground and your halfway there....

I've mentioned this and nauseum, and I'll say it again.

The 'farm thing' is real. I've lived on the Surf Coast for 50 years. I know Danger's family, Cookie et al.

The Cats have Nigel Austin (Cotton On) and the Costa group as major sponsors.

Both are both Billionaires (capitalized on purpose).

The club and players want for nothing. The club is planning to build a $20m 'community facility'.

$10m donated by the aforementioned sponsors. The Cats rort the system. Costa fought the Australian mafia and 'won'. He schooled BC. Taking on the AFL is kid's stuff. The AFL is powerless. A joke.

No league in the world can control off the book payments

If the Cats wanted Clarrie they could get him tomorrow.

Same for any player in the league.

Edited June 22Jun 22 by M_9

Lost Grundy

Smith

Tmac

Brown

As fwds

Replaced them with Jvr.

That's all

On 21/06/2025 at 16:44, whatwhat say what said:

over the last three years we have gone for:

• oscar allen

• jake waterman

• nick larkey

• tom lynch

• mitch georgiades

lynch and georgiades the closest to coming to fruition; former only decided at the last minute to stay and be the senior citizen at the tigs and the latter was likely moving before his acl curtailed a likely move

One could well argue that we have failed in recruiting then.

Edited June 22Jun 22 by Previously known as LITD.

On 21/06/2025 at 21:18, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Quite frankly - the Club has been run better since we have had an interim President and CEO. In fact, Green hasn't put a foot wrong. He's presided over the resolution of a bunch of issues that have lingered for years. I'd be more than happy to have him stay on in a 'super-portfolio' role. Something like Minister Without Portfolio But With a Lanyard could work. Alternatively, Life Member of Demonland with the portfolio title of Director of Ritualistic Post-Loss Hand-Wringing.

Applying a little Dave Allen .... not a foot wrong, or not a foot... anywhere ?

Club continues to languish going nowhere fast and we're now apparently even further away from a new training/hq than we were a year ago.

I acknowledge he's directly responsible for neither. But I would ask what is he responsible for ??

He's doing a damn fine job of caretaking.

It could be worse.

New CEO needs to get involved in new personnel search

WE need a whole new footy department in my view

no good sacking Goodwin now as much as I would like it but please new coach next year

Use the time to build a great off field team

Don't know whether new CEO has any plans in this regard Have heard nothing from the club nor interim president

So disappointing we have to wait

50 minutes ago, Previously known as LITD. said:

One could well argue that we have failed in recruiting then.

Now that is true

On 21/06/2025 at 12:22, Anti-Saint said:

yep I like May forward with JvR.

May could give us some presence as Tom Petty looks nothing like he did when he kicked a stack across six weeks - was that two years ago now?

I am all for trying something different and May forward if well worth a try. Big bodied enforcer up forward to support our young forwards like JVR, Jeffo etc. Not only could it reinvigorate the team, it could be just the tonic May himself needs to get back to his best again. He will always contest and bring the ball to ground. Quick too over a 10 metre lead. We have coverage down back with Lever, Disco, TMac and Petty.

What an opportunity to try things at the back end of the season. Don’t waste the chance Simon. We have nothing to lose now.

7 hours ago, M_9 said:

I've mentioned this and nauseum, and I'll say it again.

The 'farm thing' is real. I've lived on the Surf Coast for 50 years. I know Danger's family, Cookie et al.

The Cats have Nigel Austin (Cotton On) and the Costa group as major sponsors.

Both are both Billionaires (capitalized on purpose).

The club and players want for nothing. The club is planning to build a $20m 'community facility'.

$10m donated by the aforementioned sponsors. The Cats rort the system. Costa fought the Australian mafia and 'won'. He schooled BC. Taking on the AFL is kid's stuff. The AFL is powerless. A joke.

No league in the world can control off the book payments

If the Cats wanted Clarrie they could get him tomorrow.

Same for any player in the league.

Nailed it.

10 hours ago, bing181 said:

For me, 2 factors that would suggest that a change of coach could be a consideration would be:

• first 22/required players wanting to leave and/or not re-signing contracts

• a drastic fall in membership

That would be highly reactive and far too late. By the time we plumb those depths we will have locked in another decade of utter mediocrity.

We've lost around 15,000 (> 20%) members already since 2023 and have dropped from 8th to (likely) 15th on the membership ladder since 2022. I'd guess that the loss in membership dollars is even greater than 20%, no matter how many price increases they inflict on us, with people dropping to lower membership categories.

We'll be lucky to get 50K members next year if Goodwin continues.

12 hours ago, bing181 said:

For me, 2 factors that would suggest that a change of coach could be a consideration would be:

• first 22/required players wanting to leave and/or not re-signing contracts

• a drastic fall in membership

The latter is happening.

We have less members than St Kilda and Western Bulldogs.

Both North Melbourne and Melbourne have the same amount of members at 55,000.

This would have been unfathomable in 2022.

We are declining before our very eyes.

3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

The latter is happening.

No.

Go back 10 years and we could only dream of current membership figures - which are still the 4th highest in the club's history.

If that's a "drastic fall" I can't help you.

Perspective.