On 15/09/2024 at 19:37, D4Life said:

List management definitely needs a review as not sure who we have traded in since 2021 has helped the team vs May, Lever, Langdon, Hibberd all contributed to the flag winning team.

Agree, but prior to 21 we had salary cap space to attract big name players. 
Post 21 we have not because we needed to give the 21 premiership players long term high value contracts to retain then and because they deserved it. 

We had no coice but to play moneyball 22-24. 

  On 16/09/2024 at 01:35, Dee*ceiving said:

Agree, but prior to 21 we had salary cap space to attract big name players. 
Post 21 we have not because we needed to give the 21 premiership players long term high value contracts to retain then and because they deserved it. 

We had no coice but to play moneyball 22-24. 

Good point

  On 16/09/2024 at 01:35, Dee*ceiving said:

Agree, but prior to 21 we had salary cap space to attract big name players. 
Post 21 we have not because we needed to give the 21 premiership players long term high value contracts to retain then and because they deserved it. 

We had no coice but to play moneyball 22-24. 

You're observation is valid. 

Yes we put ourselves,  in a fashion, into the predicament of moneyball being necessary. 

By God we're rubbish at it.

There's 2 elements in play .

Go Dees  ( anywhere but continuing this slide )

Edited September 16, 2024Sep 16 by beelzebub

  On 15/09/2024 at 23:19, Bring-Back-Powell said:

We had a 9% decrease in membership, which was one of the worst membership drop offs in the league. Could even be the worst.

 

BBP where did you read this? I’m keen to investigate it 👍

  On 16/09/2024 at 02:53, The heart beats true said:

BBP where did you read this? I’m keen to investigate it 👍

Just did a bunch of googling.

2023 number of 71,388 members from the MFC audited report:

https://resources.melbournefc.com.au/aflc-melb/document/2023/11/23/b3cb16b1-2ea5-4d95-a11d-0bf3081645b8/2023-MFC-Annual-Financial-Report.pdf

2024 number of 65,479 members from the AFL website.

https://www.geelongcats.com.au/news/1652243/afl-releases-2024-club-membership-numbers

Observations:

1) We recorded a 9% decrease in members in 2024.

2) 13 out of 18 clubs achieved record membership in 2024 - clearly not including the MFC.

3) 8 clubs recorded +10% in membership in 2024.

4) It's understood we had the largest drop off in membership but admittedly I can't back that one up with data. But given at least 13 out of 18 clubs experienced record numbers in 2024, we probably did have the largest drop off.

Make of that what you will when linking membership performance with Simon Goodwin's performance.

You don't play moneyball with players like Schache, Hunter, Billings, McAdam, Fullarton, Hore.... and Goodwin also has a big say in all of that.

  On 02/08/2024 at 12:20, rolling fog said:

He’s signed to the end of 2026.

We can’t afford to pay him out.

I don't think that is a so much a factor as you'd think, contract rules are different now anyways and we'd not pay out entire contract. If Goody was clearly not the man, we'd make the call. 

But to say he isn't, seems on all available evidence, ridiculous to me in all honesty. Definitely think he needs 1-2 new voices around him, esp in terms of game-style and nuance things like running patterns, transition especially but the results in finals show me we aren't far off at ALL given 3/4 remaining teams we ran within a goal in latter part of year and the other we BEAT in only meeting -- We are so close and have the talent coming through to elevate and most pertinently of all, if we get 90% doing 90% of pre-season I'd back us top 4 for all the money!!!

 

 

 Definitely think he needs 1-2 new voices around him, esp in terms of game-style and nuance things like running patterns, transition especially a very correct observation.

HOWEVER

my point is he does not take any Notice of his Assistants its his way .

My suggestion is we get Simpson OR SOMEONE  coach similar  just to Put pressure on him lets face it our game plan no longer works  

  On 15/09/2024 at 09:36, Superunknown said:

I agree 

I think list decisions have a lot to answer for

to what extent does Goodwin and coaching get involved in list management (trading in particular)? Genuine question

It also depends what is available and willing to move on the market...

For those who came to the great debate rather late in history, let me point out to you that we are currently in one of the two most successful decades for the MFC since the 1950's/1960's. The two coaches that have given us most success since then are Neale Daniher and Simon Goodwin! Both have had down periods... even Nom Smith did in the early sixties! That he was sacked by the Board in 1965 lives on in football ignominy!

  On 16/09/2024 at 05:37, Tolstoys Nudge said:

if we get 90% doing 90% of pre-season I'd back us top 4 for all the money!!!

 

Any ideas what percentage of the list did 90% of pre season?

Felt as though the season was over before it began with so many players on the side lines in January and February.

 

  On 16/09/2024 at 01:35, Dee*ceiving said:

Agree, but prior to 21 we had salary cap space to attract big name players. 
Post 21 we have not because we needed to give the 21 premiership players long term high value contracts to retain then and because they deserved it. 

We had no coice but to play moneyball 22-24. 

Fair point, but Grundy wasn’t cheap even with Pies paying part of his salary.

  On 16/09/2024 at 05:37, Tolstoys Nudge said:

I don't think that is a so much a factor as you'd think, contract rules are different now anyways and we'd not pay out entire contract. If Goody was clearly not the man, we'd make the call. 

But to say he isn't, seems on all available evidence, ridiculous to me in all honesty. Definitely think he needs 1-2 new voices around him, esp in terms of game-style and nuance things like running patterns, transition especially but the results in finals show me we aren't far off at ALL given 3/4 remaining teams we ran within a goal in latter part of year and the other we BEAT in only meeting -- We are so close and have the talent coming through to elevate and most pertinently of all, if we get 90% doing 90% of pre-season I'd back us top 4 for all the money!!!

 

 

It’s the right 90% you need!

  On 16/09/2024 at 01:35, Dee*ceiving said:

Agree, but prior to 21 we had salary cap space to attract big name players. 

We also had higher picks to use for trades.

If things don't go well for us next year, does anyone think there's a chance Goody might walk away?

Is it unreasonable to assume the club and the coach are mature enough to agree to an amicable split to avoid the trauma of sacking our only living premiership coach?  

Be careful what you wish for - the list of assistant coaches in the waiting don’t look particularly attractive at the moment… West Coast’s shortlist looks proper yuck

  On 15/09/2024 at 07:50, Ollie fan said:

And BTW , no, not "whatever it takes". We have some extraordinary players at the moment; let's maximise things and if there is a slide later on, then changes can be made at that time. Drastic changes now might have an effect - but in 3 or 4 years time with no Max, No May, Trac and Oliver past their prime etc etc

Better thinking - agree with this, Of. Still, I have tired of the past decade rising, falling, achieving, failing in a conjunction of poor press, AFL treatments and negligences, battles of consistencies with umpiring fraternities and perhaps, much more that is now expected negativities to experience. 

  On 15/09/2024 at 06:35, drysdale demon said:

Obviously you don't know the meaning praise or meritorious

You missed the pun but are forgiven.

  On 17/09/2024 at 03:11, Deemania since 56 said:

You missed the pun but are forgiven.

No one forgives me.

The 'new' Goodwin thread by some newbie trollll got the short shrift it deserved!

Well done mods !!!

Edited September 17, 2024Sep 17 by Lucifers Hero

Is there a similar thread at Collingwood because they finished out of the 8,sliding down from a Premiership.

Then compare not just the injuries, but the quality(players) of injured time  !!!

I do not think Goodwin was responsible for Brayshaw, Oliver, Petracca , May, Lever , Gawn ets.

  On 17/09/2024 at 06:39, dimmy said:

Is there a similar thread at Collingwood because they finished out of the 8,sliding down from a Premiership.

They can’t read/write particularly well but a collection of indignant cave drawings of a similar theme has been discovered 

  On 17/09/2024 at 04:25, Lucifers Hero said:

The 'new' Goodwin thread by some newbie trollll got the short shrift it deserved!

Well done mods !!!

It got deleted? Why? I get that it’s likely horse [censored], but is there a policy now to delete threads based on horse [censored]? By that definition why is this thread still open? 😄

Who would we replace him with? Mr Magoo? 

I haven't read a single post in.this thread, so apologies if it's been covered.

Is goody a verb?

If so, what does it mean?

I'm thinking perhaps it's a typo, and thread title is actually

Time to go giddy?

Or perhaps goody is a euphemism?

For what, I'm shudder to think.