2024 Phantom Drafts

[Pennant St Dee 13,170]

2 hours ago, layzie said:

Langford's rise after his 2km time trial result doesn't surprise me. 

Was listening to Paul Roos he reckons the time trial and character are the only traits you need to look at. 

Within reason in regard to Roos comments, 2km time and character are great but you still need some physical traits and footy ability.  There’s plenty of players who are of fine character and run elite times but just undersized and that’s a big reason they remain at state league, country footy level.

Hamish Davis is of excellent character and ran top 5 in the 2km, but he isn’t a top 10 pick

[DeeSpencer 25,663]

1 hour ago, Axis of Bob said:

The last one that probably qualifies is Brody Grundy, who had a lot of hype as a top 10 but went at 18. That was 12 years ago. The last one that was 'possible pick 1' but slipped down and made people look silly was possibly Daniel Rich in 2008 but more likely it was Joel Selwood in 2006.

It probably shows you that there aren't really 'sliders', rather it's just people outside overrating players compared with how the clubs themselves rate them.

To the extent that there are even sliders I would only call them that if they start to drop from at least now if not closer to the draft.

Until now any orders by Cal or anyone else are just their best opinions with some club help. As the process goes on that starts becoming clearer on where clubs rate players.

I might be completely wrong on Jagga but he was never rated as a pick 1 contender going in to this year, he was always seen as a fair way below Ashcroft, FOS, Smillie, Draper. He was seen more in the 5-10 range.

The buzz he got from strong performances elevated him but even in July he was 6th in Cal’s form guide. 

Good vfl games especially at Richmond when they have pick 1, big disposal totals, a cool name. There’s a number of factors that started getting him thrown up the order yet he’s right back at 5 in Cal’s form guide and come the draft he’ll slot in somewhere from 5-10.

[DubDee 25,811]

7 hours ago, Roger Mellie said:

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking

Thanks for posting

Out of interest, I checked his October form guide from 2015 and he had Clarry at 23 and Weideman at 8 ahead of MacKay and Curnow.

Things can change quickly!  Hopefully JT works his magic - Clarry style, not Weid style

I wonder if there will be a Clarry like bolter this year?

[layzie 33,793]

1 hour ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Within reason in regard to Roos comments, 2km time and character are great but you still need some physical traits and footy ability.  There’s plenty of players who are of fine character and run elite times but just undersized and that’s a big reason they remain at state league, country footy level.

Hamish Davis is of excellent character and ran top 5 in the 2km, but he isn’t a top 10 pick

I agree and the other traits certainly matter up to a point. However is it fair to say it's a pretty reliable formula to use across the board on balance Pennant?

There's also the things they don't test for, I don't recall ever seeing an 'ability to win the ball' test for instance. 

[Supreme_Demon 3,826]

I think a lot will depend upon if North Melbourne is given a big offer to split pick #2 by Richmond.

If North Melbourne say no, then Richmond might come calling to us with a tempting deal for pick #5.

I wouldn't risk trading away pick #5 but I think offers for pick #9 the Demons might be open to considering.

[Colm 2,151]

2 minutes ago, Supreme_Demon said:

I think a lot will depend upon if North Melbourne is given a big offer to split pick #2 by Richmond.

If North Melbourne say no, then Richmond might come calling to us with a tempting deal for pick #5.

I wouldn't risk trading away pick #5 but I think offers for pick #9 the Demons might be open to considering.

The only deal I can see being on offer is 5 and 9 for 6,11 and 18. Would you take that if it was offered?!

[Supreme_Demon 3,826]

4 minutes ago, Colm said:

The only deal I can see being on offer is 5 and 9 for 6,11 and 18. Would you take that if it was offered?!

Yes absolutely.

I don't think Richmond are that stupid are they?! Unless Adem Yze is secretly sabotaging them! 🤣

Edited October 23 by Supreme_Demon

[Pennant St Dee 13,170]

1 hour ago, layzie said:

I agree and the other traits certainly matter up to a point. However is it fair to say it's a pretty reliable formula to use across the board on balance Pennant?

There's also the things they don't test for, I don't recall ever seeing an 'ability to win the ball' test for instance. 

Yes they are reliable traits to look for, a lot of clubs overlooked Simon Black because he lacked pace, but what they didn’t take into account was he was a very good 400m runner with great endurance and by all accounts a very good character.

[Adam The God 30,216]

4 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Interesting to see people sour on Jagga. He's the best performed midfielder in it and at worst will be a solid accumulator at AFL level. People saying his inside work wouldn't stack up at AFL level are a bit off IMO. He played a few games in the VFL late in the year and absolutely dominated mature bodies and AFL listed players. Averaged 27 disposals and 7 clearances across the three VFL matches. Had 50+ disposal games at CTL level. He's the best ball winner at underage level since Nick Daicos and projects similarly. 

If he was available to us at pick 5 it would be a very bold call to pass on him for someone else. I suspect he'll be gone before our pick though.

Completely agree. The kid is a gun.

The x factor is whether JT rates him top 6.

[KingDingAling 3,757]

Pick 5 and 9 are tremendous positions to be in this draft. I wouldn’t split 9.

I think we’ll get quality at 5. We’ll get a top 3 slider at 5, and a top 5 slider at 9.

So long as JT don’t reach for a Kolt, when a Darcy Wilson is right there for the taking. Hoping we’ve learnt the lesson. Smokey selections, save for the latter picks.

[dazzledavey36 54,830]

From the Age.

Melbourne

Arrivals: Tom Campbell (free agency), Harry Sharp (trade)
Departures: Angus Brayshaw (retired), Ben Brown (retired), Kyah Farris-White (delisted), Lachie Hunter (retired), Alex Neal-Bullen (trade), Josh Schache (delisted), Adam Tomlinson (delisted)
Draft picks: 5, 9
Uncontracted: Marty Hore, Joel Smith
Contracted: 37 (no category B rookies)
The Demons addressed needs in the player movement period, adding ruck depth (Campbell) behind Max Gawn before trading for Sharp, who will get the chance to replace Neal-Bullen in attack. They have two first-round picks, as they did last year with Caleb Windsor and Koltyn Tholstrup, and will make three selections overall. Melbourne may not place a bid on Essendon’s NGA prospect Isaac Kako after trading for the Bombers’ pick nine. Midfielders Harvey Langford, Sid Draper and Josh Smillie could get through to their first selection, while key forward Harry Armstrong, defenders Alix Tauru and Luke Trainor, and classy midfielder Xavier Lindsay might be in the mix at their second pick. Hore will score another one-year deal, but Smith will be delisted. Judd McVee will be upgraded to the primary list, and Andy Moniz-Wakefield can no longer be a category B rookie.

[Demon Disciple 12,118]

Any chance of Draper slipping through to our pick?

A fit Trac, reborn Clarry and Draper would be a dream midfield

[Gawndog98 363]

Not sure if anyone posted this one but this would be my dream result for us: https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/41946825/afl-first-round-phantom-draft-2024-every-club-pick-richmond-sam-lalor-jagga-smith-finn-osullivan-bolters-sliders-more

[Lord Neville X Flash 281]

On 23/10/2024 at 00:18, 58er said:

Why not just get the players that are in front of you and not be too cute. Even in this flood of top chances some players are needed more than others I believe. 

Tauru at 5 and the best mid available at 9 looks the best strategy to me. Big player with huge upside will have the biggest effect on our forward line. Then any of the 7/8 mids are going to be a great choice at 9 yo add to our midfield.

While me need mids with pace and finishing skills I believe Sharp and Pup Brown could be big surprises if we use their run and carry smarts around the forward line especially. 

Tweaking  Windsor to the centre could well straighten us up also. He is such a good user of the ball and covers ground so well I find it hard to believe he couldn’t kick 15/20 goals from there in 2035. So

much more attacking just by his pace and style of game he reminds me of a potential Chad Warner and of.course on the wing Robbie Flower. 

Don't have an issue with using 5 and 9, and I would be v happy with Tauru and best mid.

But think its negligent not to entertain trade options.

I think its likely we see some trades on draft night, so clubs have more certainty about players they will get

Eg. If Melbourne really want someone at 5, but they go at 4, we might then trade down with Richmond

[seventyfour 1,136]

Would be nice to have another pick in the top 20~ that we could use on a slider, or a tall. Someone like Trainor if he slides, or maybe one of the Whitlocks?

Would Richmond take 5 for 10 and 20? So we'd have 9, 10, 20. The draft points don't match but if Richmond are really keen to get in on a few of players before the Saints, they would have 5 and 6 to do so.

9 and 10 would likely still leave us with options of Smillie/Reid/Travaglia/Lindsay.

 

[BangBnagBang 693]

14 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

Pick 5 and 9 are tremendous positions to be in this draft. I wouldn’t split 9.

I think we’ll get quality at 5. We’ll get a top 3 slider at 5, and a top 5 slider at 9.

So long as JT don’t reach for a Kolt, when a Darcy Wilson is right there for the taking. Hoping we’ve learnt the lesson. Smokey selections, save for the latter picks.

How does one qualify as a slider or a reach?? When you marry it up against Bigfooty phantom drafters???

[Gorgoroth 12,942]

Why do people want to trade any of our two picks for later picks?

I'd rather take two top 10 picks in this draft than 3 in the top 20, pick 5 you normally hope one you like slips, this year one you like will def be there at 5, and more than likely the same for 9.

I wouldn't be changing either picks at all.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,500]

Can't remember the last draft where there was so much variation in the 'expert' predictions and assessments.
Seems to be a stable top 7, with the order changing almost daily and then a consistent 12 or so after that.

Will be very interesting to see this all take shape over the next month.
 

 

[spirit of norm smith 16,436]

Best guesses and estimates imv.  
I have the Dees holding at picks 5 & 9.  There’s likely to be some pick swaps throughout but the first round predictions as is are: 

1. Richmond. Sam Lalor. GWV
2.****Lions father son. Levi Ashcroft. Sandringham 
3. North Melbourne. Alix Tauru. Gippsland 
4. Carlton (via West Coast). Finn O’Sullivan . Oakleigh
5. Adelaide. Sid Draper. SA Sth Adelaide
6. Melbourne . Harvey Langford. Dandenong. 
7. Richmond (via Gold Coast). Jagga Smith. Oakleigh.  
8. ****Suns academy. Leonardo Lombard
9. St Kilda. Josh Smillie. Eastern
10. St Kilda (via Josh Battle compensation pick). Harry Armstrong . Sandringham 
11. Melbourne (via Essendon). Xavier Lindsay. Gippsland 
12. Richmond (via Fremantle) Tobie Travaglia. Bendigo 
13.Richmond (via Fremantle, Collingwood)  Luke Trainor. Sandringham 
14. West Coast (via Carlton) Bo Allan. WA Peel.
15. **** Ess NGA. Isaac Kako. Calder
16.  Port Adelaide (via Gold Coast, Western Bulldogs).  Joe Berry. Murray 
17. Fremantle (via Richmond, Hawthorn, Carlton).  Taj Hotton. Sandringham 
18. Greater Western Sydney. Jobe Shanahan. Bendigo
19. Greater Western Sydney (via Harry Perryman compensation pick). Murphy Reid. Sandringham 
20. Western Bulldogs (via Geelong). Cooper Hynes . Dandenong
21. **** Lions academy. Sam Marshall 
22. Richmond (via Fremantle, Port Adelaide). Jack Whitlock. Murray .
23.****Blues father son. Ben Camporeale. SA. 
24. Sydney. Harrison Oliver. Sandringham 
25. Richmond (via Brisbane). Alex Dodson. SA Sturt
26. Greater Western Sydney (via Isaac Cumming compensation pick). Hamish Davis. WA Claremont
27. Sydney (via North Melbourne). Matt Whitlock. Murray 
28. Richmond (via Gold Coast, North Melbourne). Ollie Hannaford. GWV
 

predicting the longest first round ever!!

Some likely 2nd rounders: 

Tom Gross - Oakleigh. 
Christian Moraes - Eastern.  
Kayle Gerryn - WA West Perth.  
Thomas Sims - Northern.
Jonty Faull - GWV.  
Jesse Dattoli - Northern.  
Harry O'Farrell - Calder.
Lachie Jacques - Geelong.
Nathaniel Sulzberger - Sandringham/  Tassie.  
Jack Ough - GWV.
Angus Clarke - SA Glenelg.
Josh Murphy - Murray.  
*** GWS Academy - Logan Smith
Charlie Nicholls - Central District SA.  
*** Crows. Tyler Welsh SA WWT eagles.  
James Barrat - Bendigo.  
*** Sydney academy. Joel Cochran. 
Archer Day-Wicks - Bendigo. HFF.

Likely 3rd rounders: 
Riley Bice - Werribee VFL.
*** Crows father son . Luke Camporeale. Glenelg 
Sam Davidson. RICHMOND VFL 
Noah Mraz - Dandenong. 
Hugh Boxshall. WA Claremont
Zane Cochrane - Oakleigh.  
Clancy Dennis - WA  Claremont
*** Stk NGA. Adrian Cole.  Sandringham. 
Dom Brew. Mid. Werribee VFL
Jasper Alger. Oakleigh
Bailey McKenzie. Sandringham  
***Port father son Louis Montgomery. SA Nth Adel.  
Oliver Warburton. Murray.
Xavier Ivisic Geelong  
 *** West Coast NGA Malakai Champion.  WA  Subiaco.
Floyd Burmeister. GWV 
Will Hayes. WA Claremont.  

after this it’s seeing who might have draft picks available, or will pickup rookie opportunities or SSP train on spots. As with every year, there will be some very talented young footy players will miss out on getting on an AFL senior or rookie list.  

Potential for 4th round or likely rookies:  

Josh Dolan. Sandringham 
Phoenix Hargrave.  SA Sth Adel
Cody Anderson. Eastern.  
Jack Henderson. Werribee VFL.
Luke Kennedy . Sandringham.  
Patrick Retschko. Oakleigh 
Oliver Depaoli-Kubank. Tassie
Lucca Grego. Western. 
Kade Herbert. SA WWT eagles.
*** Port Adel NGA. Benny Barrett.Sth Adel. SA 
Ned Bowman. Norwood SA
Cody Angove. WA Claremont 
Zak Johnson. Northern.
Jaxon Artemis- WA Sth Frem
*** GWS academy. Cooper Bell.
Nash King. Mid. Calder
Aiden Riddle - WA. Claremont
Riak Andrew. Dandenong. 
Harry Charlson. GWV
Luke Urquhart. WA  East Frem
Damon Hollow. Calder
*** Saints NGA. Lennox Hoffman. Sandringham.
Rhys Unwin. GWV. 
Jett Hasting. SA WWT eagles. 
Mitch Kirkwood-Scott. Sandringham 
Blake Leidler. Oakleigh.  
Keighton Matofai-Forbes. Fwd. Western.  
** Ess NGA Jayden Nguyen Calder .
** Stk father son. Elwood Peckett
** Dees Father son Noah Yze. Oakleigh.  
**Dees NGA Ricky Mentha Gippsland 

[manny100 1,549]

Cal Twomey on gettable yesterday said Tigers should not give more than 6 and 20 for pick 2.

He did not explain his reasoning but i presume he considers there is not a lot between picks 2 and 6.

[58er 6,422]

23 hours ago, Adam The God said:

That would be pick 4 though given Ashcroft. 
 

No it’s looked at as pick 6 for us if Ashcroft is bid for before 5 and Lions match it. 
please don’t confuse the punters even more with the nga and f/s selections. 

[58er 6,422]

20 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Best guesses and estimates imv.  
I have the Dees holding at picks 5 & 9.  There’s likely to be some pick swaps throughout but the first round predictions as is are: 

1. Richmond. Sam Lalor. GWV
2.****Lions father son. Levi Ashcroft. Sandringham 
3. North Melbourne. Alix Tauru. Gippsland 
4. Carlton (via West Coast). Finn O’Sullivan . Oakleigh
5. Adelaide. Sid Draper. SA Sth Adelaide
6. Melbourne . Harvey Langford. Dandenong. 
7. Richmond (via Gold Coast). Jagga Smith. Oakleigh.  
8. ****Suns academy. Leonardo Lombard
9. St Kilda. Josh Smillie. Eastern
10. St Kilda (via Josh Battle compensation pick). Harry Armstrong . Sandringham 
11. Melbourne (via Essendon). Xavier Lindsay. Gippsland 
12. Richmond (via Fremantle) Tobie Travaglia. Bendigo 
13.Richmond (via Fremantle, Collingwood)  Luke Trainor. Sandringham 
14. West Coast (via Carlton) Bo Allan. WA Peel.
15. **** Ess NGA. Isaac Kako. Calder
16.  Port Adelaide (via Gold Coast, Western Bulldogs).  Joe Berry. Murray 
17. Fremantle (via Richmond, Hawthorn, Carlton).  Taj Hotton. Sandringham 
18. Greater Western Sydney. Jobe Shanahan. Bendigo
19. Greater Western Sydney (via Harry Perryman compensation pick). Murphy Reid. Sandringham 
20. Western Bulldogs (via Geelong). Cooper Hynes . Dandenong
21. **** Lions academy. Sam Marshall 
22. Richmond (via Fremantle, Port Adelaide). Jack Whitlock. Murray .
23.****Blues father son. Ben Camporeale. SA. 
24. Sydney. Harrison Oliver. Sandringham 
25. Richmond (via Brisbane). Alex Dodson. SA Sturt
26. Greater Western Sydney (via Isaac Cumming compensation pick). Hamish Davis. WA Claremont
27. Sydney (via North Melbourne). Matt Whitlock. Murray 
28. Richmond (via Gold Coast, North Melbourne). Ollie Hannaford. GWV
 

predicting the longest first round ever!!

Some likely 2nd rounders: 

Tom Gross - Oakleigh. 
Christian Moraes - Eastern.  
Kayle Gerryn - WA West Perth.  
Thomas Sims - Northern.
Jonty Faull - GWV.  
Jesse Dattoli - Northern.  
Harry O'Farrell - Calder.
Lachie Jacques - Geelong.
Nathaniel Sulzberger - Sandringham/  Tassie.  
Jack Ough - GWV.
Angus Clarke - SA Glenelg.
Josh Murphy - Murray.  
*** GWS Academy - Logan Smith
Charlie Nicholls - Central District SA.  
*** Crows. Tyler Welsh SA WWT eagles.  
James Barrat - Bendigo.  
*** Sydney academy. Joel Cochran. 
Archer Day-Wicks - Bendigo. HFF.

Likely 3rd rounders: 
Riley Bice - Werribee VFL.
*** Crows father son . Luke Camporeale. Glenelg 
Sam Davidson. RICHMOND VFL 
Noah Mraz - Dandenong. 
Hugh Boxshall. WA Claremont
Zane Cochrane - Oakleigh.  
Clancy Dennis - WA  Claremont
*** Stk NGA. Adrian Cole.  Sandringham. 
Dom Brew. Mid. Werribee VFL
Jasper Alger. Oakleigh
Bailey McKenzie. Sandringham  
***Port father son Louis Montgomery. SA Nth Adel.  
Oliver Warburton. Murray.
Xavier Ivisic Geelong  
 *** West Coast NGA Malakai Champion.  WA  Subiaco.
Floyd Burmeister. GWV 
Will Hayes. WA Claremont.  

after this it’s seeing who might have draft picks available, or will pickup rookie opportunities or SSP train on spots. As with every year, there will be some very talented young footy players will miss out on getting on an AFL senior or rookie list.  

Potential for 4th round or likely rookies:  

Josh Dolan. Sandringham 
Phoenix Hargrave.  SA Sth Adel
Cody Anderson. Eastern.  
Jack Henderson. Werribee VFL.
Luke Kennedy . Sandringham.  
Patrick Retschko. Oakleigh 
Oliver Depaoli-Kubank. Tassie
Lucca Grego. Western. 
Kade Herbert. SA WWT eagles.
*** Port Adel NGA. Benny Barrett.Sth Adel. SA 
Ned Bowman. Norwood SA
Cody Angove. WA Claremont 
Zak Johnson. Northern.
Jaxon Artemis- WA Sth Frem
*** GWS academy. Cooper Bell.
Nash King. Mid. Calder
Aiden Riddle - WA. Claremont
Riak Andrew. Dandenong. 
Harry Charlson. GWV
Luke Urquhart. WA  East Frem
Damon Hollow. Calder
*** Saints NGA. Lennox Hoffman. Sandringham.
Rhys Unwin. GWV. 
Jett Hasting. SA WWT eagles. 
Mitch Kirkwood-Scott. Sandringham 
Blake Leidler. Oakleigh.  
Keighton Matofai-Forbes. Fwd. Western.  
** Ess NGA Jayden Nguyen Calder .
** Stk father son. Elwood Peckett
** Dees Father son Noah Yze. Oakleigh.  
**Dees NGA Ricky Mentha Gippsland 

Just hope either North or Saints don’t  both take Armstrong or Tauru before we get a chance of one of them. If not then is Jonty Faull a good enough tall to risk at 9? Prob not although Cal said finished season well. 

[Colm 2,151]

37 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Best guesses and estimates imv.  
I have the Dees holding at picks 5 & 9.  There’s likely to be some pick swaps throughout but the first round predictions as is are: 

1. Richmond. Sam Lalor. GWV
2.****Lions father son. Levi Ashcroft. Sandringham 
3. North Melbourne. Alix Tauru. Gippsland 
4. Carlton (via West Coast). Finn O’Sullivan . Oakleigh
5. Adelaide. Sid Draper. SA Sth Adelaide
6. Melbourne . Harvey Langford. Dandenong. 
7. Richmond (via Gold Coast). Jagga Smith. Oakleigh.  
8. ****Suns academy. Leonardo Lombard
9. St Kilda. Josh Smillie. Eastern
10. St Kilda (via Josh Battle compensation pick). Harry Armstrong . Sandringham 
11. Melbourne (via Essendon). Xavier Lindsay. Gippsland 
12. Richmond (via Fremantle) Tobie Travaglia. Bendigo 
13.Richmond (via Fremantle, Collingwood)  Luke Trainor. Sandringham 
14. West Coast (via Carlton) Bo Allan. WA Peel.
15. **** Ess NGA. Isaac Kako. Calder
16.  Port Adelaide (via Gold Coast, Western Bulldogs).  Joe Berry. Murray 
17. Fremantle (via Richmond, Hawthorn, Carlton).  Taj Hotton. Sandringham 
18. Greater Western Sydney. Jobe Shanahan. Bendigo
19. Greater Western Sydney (via Harry Perryman compensation pick). Murphy Reid. Sandringham 
20. Western Bulldogs (via Geelong). Cooper Hynes . Dandenong
21. **** Lions academy. Sam Marshall 
22. Richmond (via Fremantle, Port Adelaide). Jack Whitlock. Murray .
23.****Blues father son. Ben Camporeale. SA. 
24. Sydney. Harrison Oliver. Sandringham 
25. Richmond (via Brisbane). Alex Dodson. SA Sturt
26. Greater Western Sydney (via Isaac Cumming compensation pick). Hamish Davis. WA Claremont
27. Sydney (via North Melbourne). Matt Whitlock. Murray 
28. Richmond (via Gold Coast, North Melbourne). Ollie Hannaford. GWV
 

predicting the longest first round ever!!

Some likely 2nd rounders: 

Tom Gross - Oakleigh. 
Christian Moraes - Eastern.  
Kayle Gerryn - WA West Perth.  
Thomas Sims - Northern.
Jonty Faull - GWV.  
Jesse Dattoli - Northern.  
Harry O'Farrell - Calder.
Lachie Jacques - Geelong.
Nathaniel Sulzberger - Sandringham/  Tassie.  
Jack Ough - GWV.
Angus Clarke - SA Glenelg.
Josh Murphy - Murray.  
*** GWS Academy - Logan Smith
Charlie Nicholls - Central District SA.  
*** Crows. Tyler Welsh SA WWT eagles.  
James Barrat - Bendigo.  
*** Sydney academy. Joel Cochran. 
Archer Day-Wicks - Bendigo. HFF.

Likely 3rd rounders: 
Riley Bice - Werribee VFL.
*** Crows father son . Luke Camporeale. Glenelg 
Sam Davidson. RICHMOND VFL 
Noah Mraz - Dandenong. 
Hugh Boxshall. WA Claremont
Zane Cochrane - Oakleigh.  
Clancy Dennis - WA  Claremont
*** Stk NGA. Adrian Cole.  Sandringham. 
Dom Brew. Mid. Werribee VFL
Jasper Alger. Oakleigh
Bailey McKenzie. Sandringham  
***Port father son Louis Montgomery. SA Nth Adel.  
Oliver Warburton. Murray.
Xavier Ivisic Geelong  
 *** West Coast NGA Malakai Champion.  WA  Subiaco.
Floyd Burmeister. GWV 
Will Hayes. WA Claremont.  

after this it’s seeing who might have draft picks available, or will pickup rookie opportunities or SSP train on spots. As with every year, there will be some very talented young footy players will miss out on getting on an AFL senior or rookie list.  

Potential for 4th round or likely rookies:  

Josh Dolan. Sandringham 
Phoenix Hargrave.  SA Sth Adel
Cody Anderson. Eastern.  
Jack Henderson. Werribee VFL.
Luke Kennedy . Sandringham.  
Patrick Retschko. Oakleigh 
Oliver Depaoli-Kubank. Tassie
Lucca Grego. Western. 
Kade Herbert. SA WWT eagles.
*** Port Adel NGA. Benny Barrett.Sth Adel. SA 
Ned Bowman. Norwood SA
Cody Angove. WA Claremont 
Zak Johnson. Northern.
Jaxon Artemis- WA Sth Frem
*** GWS academy. Cooper Bell.
Nash King. Mid. Calder
Aiden Riddle - WA. Claremont
Riak Andrew. Dandenong. 
Harry Charlson. GWV
Luke Urquhart. WA  East Frem
Damon Hollow. Calder
*** Saints NGA. Lennox Hoffman. Sandringham.
Rhys Unwin. GWV. 
Jett Hasting. SA WWT eagles. 
Mitch Kirkwood-Scott. Sandringham 
Blake Leidler. Oakleigh.  
Keighton Matofai-Forbes. Fwd. Western.  
** Ess NGA Jayden Nguyen Calder .
** Stk father son. Elwood Peckett
** Dees Father son Noah Yze. Oakleigh.  
**Dees NGA Ricky Mentha Gippsland 

If North take FOS instead of Tauru it may mean that Langford is gone by our pick. 
Who would you choose between Smith and Tauru at pick 5?

[DeeSpencer 25,663]

2 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

Why do people want to trade any of our two picks for later picks?

I'd rather take two top 10 picks in this draft than 3 in the top 20, pick 5 you normally hope one you like slips, this year one you like will def be there at 5, and more than likely the same for 9.

I wouldn't be changing either picks at all.

Pick 5 I highly doubt we move but there’s a case for it if we don’t like who’s there on draft night.

Pick 9 seems out of the range of the top quality and we’ve already had one crack at a better guy at 5. So if we attempt to recreate the Pickett-Rivers deal in 2019 it makes sense. Based on rankings and mocks so far Harry Armstrong and Murphy Reid are the 2 highest upside guys here and if JT doesn’t believe in either of them let’s get a flanker in the mid teens and bank another pick.

If it works out that way I’d especially like to get another pick in the 30’s and have a crack at a tall there assuming we go mids/flankers with the first 2 picks. 

Faull, Shanahan, Dodson, Sims, Gerryn, Whitlock x 2, O’Farrell, Barrat, Mraz. There’s 10 talls who go somewhere between 15 and 40 and I think in most years these guys would go between 10-30.

[spirit of norm smith 16,436]

15 minutes ago, Colm said:

If North take FOS instead of Tauru it may mean that Langford is gone by our pick. 
Who would you choose between Smith and Tauru at pick 5?

Yes that would be a tough call … perhaps … Smillie 😊😊😊😊😊