Oliver Trade Rumours

[demoncat 1,297]

4 minutes ago, Red But Mostly Blue said:

Whether you think Clarry should, or should not, be traded is not really the issue here.

This has been handled ATROCIOUSLY by the club - again. Like last year. And Trac this year.

IF there is an issue - you DON'T destroy the club's bargaining power. It's as if we love entering into these situations (off our own bat) with the weakest hand possible. A self-inflicted handicap. Do we love the challenge? 

Personally, I want Clarry to stay. The notion of giving him (and his potential next year after a big preseason) up for a future pick in the LATE TEENS, plus likely paying some of his salary (to save for whom? Because of all this [censored] WHO wants to come to our club?? WHY?) makes no sense. If our window was not already closed with Gus gone, Trac a question mark for next year (either because we're just not sure when he will play, or his level due to injuries), then it will certainly be closed with Clarry gone. We have NO depth, and because of this mess cannot trade or recruit to fill gaps. Furthermore, any kids we get will need guys like Clarry to learn from. 

If Clarry has issues, still, fine. Apparently this has been known for some time. Like every other club we deal with it. If there have been mistakes made re other players - you acknowledge it - get everyone into a room, talk about it, clear the air and remind these guys that we are a FOOTY CLUB, a once great club, now apparently focused on drama and dirty laundry. You get on the same page about trying to snag a flag next year. If Trac and Carry are on the park, and we can somehow, perhaps through prayer lol, convince some talent to join us and fill a couple of gaps, we have enough talent to do some damage next year. 

BUT - everyone has to be on the same page. Clear the air. Put the mistakes behind us. Learn. FOCUS on what is needed to correct course next year. No more silly emails. Just good footy. 

I want Clarry in the red and blue next year. He needs help to focus. I get it. If there was an offer of 2 first rounders, or 1 first rounder and a solid player, fine. Maybe you say ok we cut our losses. But that ain't the case. Dropping Clarry for nothing at all, just to 'save cap space' and a future F1, for the Cats, will be late teens if we're lucky. Pointless. Meanwhile the Cats do what we should have done/do, sort Clarry out, and he helps them to win another flag next year.

Stuff that. Let's fix this. Shake hands. Build together. Snag a flag. 

#SnagAFlag

My thoughts exactly 💯 

[Jjrogan 1,417]

So in summary.

Clarry been a problem child since day 1.

Club tolerated his behaviour because of his ability 

MFC, with the full information set and endorsement of the board, gave him a monster contract

Decided in year 8 of his career, standards are standards. Enough is enough!  Some sort of three strikes and yer out rule.

Clarry, being a human being, found it very hard to change his hard wired behaviour.  I am Jack's complete lack of surprise. 

Ok, yer out!  And take your contract with you. We'll take pick 18. 

Go home MFC, you're drunk.  

 

 

[mo64 5,853]

12 minutes ago, Red But Mostly Blue said:

Whether you think Clarry should, or should not, be traded is not really the issue here.

This has been handled ATROCIOUSLY by the club - again. Like last year. And Trac this year.

IF there is an issue - you DON'T destroy the club's bargaining power. It's as if we love entering into these situations (off our own bat) with the weakest hand possible. A self-inflicted handicap. Do we love the challenge? 

 

Great summation. 

If we were not prepared to trade Oliver at any cost, then we should have set a price when we put him on the market. If we stipulated what the bare minimum compo would be, and there was no interest, then things could have been nipped in the bud before Oliver met with the Cats.

With the way things have transpired, Oliver's position at the club was untenable only at the right price. Crazy!!!!

[Fromgotowoewodin 1,606]

9 minutes ago, Jjrogan said:

So in summary.

Clarry been a problem child since day 1.

Club tolerated his behaviour because of his ability 

MFC, with the full information set and endorsement of the board, gave him a monster contract

Decided in year 8 of his career, standards are standards. Enough is enough!  Some sort of three strikes and yer out rule.

Clarry, being a human being, found it very hard to change his hard wired behaviour.  I am Jack's complete lack of surprise. 

Ok, yer out!  And take your contract with you. We'll take pick 18. 

Go home MFC, you're drunk.  

 

 

I think this is harsh. By the sounds of it he’s had issues all the way through but up until 2022 it seems like he was managing pretty well (as shown by 4 B&Fs, 2 coaches, flag etc).

The breakup and the hammy seem to have derailed him to the point where it’s not the same trade off anymore, ability v drama may be tolerable if the ability is elite but if the output is getting lower and the drama is getting higher then there comes a point where it’s not worth it.

Contract was too long in hindsight but I can only imagine the meltdowns on here if he’d asked for a trade because we only offered him 4 or 5 years instead.

[Red But Mostly Blue 4,547]

13 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Great summation. 

If we were not prepared to trade Oliver at any cost, then we should have set a price when we put him on the market. If we stipulated what the bare minimum compo would be, and there was no interest, then things could have been nipped in the bud before Oliver met with the Cats.

With the way things have transpired, Oliver's position at the club was untenable only at the right price. Crazy!!!!

Yep. If nothing else comes of this, I would hope someone sends every single relevant person at the Club back to school to complete Negotiation 101. The basics. 

[Jjrogan 1,417]

6 minutes ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

I think this is harsh. By the sounds of it he’s had issues all the way through but up until 2022 it seems like he was managing pretty well (as shown by 4 B&Fs, 2 coaches, flag etc).

The breakup and the hammy seem to have derailed him to the point where it’s not the same trade off anymore, ability v drama may be tolerable if the ability is elite but if the output is getting lower and the drama is getting higher then there comes a point where it’s not worth it.

Contract was too long in hindsight but I can only imagine the meltdowns on here if he’d asked for a trade because we only offered him 4 or 5 years instead.

Fair points, but of all the possible ways to handle this, pushing him out at his lowest value in a fire sale is embarrassing

[daisycutter 29,604]

55 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

2021, eh?

So that’s before we signed him to a 7 year million dollar contract that is now the noose around our necks in trying to do what you both are implying is the right thing to do?

yeah, i think his manager really pulled the wool over our eyes on a 7 year + $9M smackeroos contract, right in the middle of his meltdown.  really looking a crazy deal. it's not that his behavioural problems were something new or fleeting

[Sir Why You Little 36,963]

18 minutes ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

I think this is harsh. By the sounds of it he’s had issues all the way through but up until 2022 it seems like he was managing pretty well (as shown by 4 B&Fs, 2 coaches, flag etc).

The breakup and the hammy seem to have derailed him to the point where it’s not the same trade off anymore, ability v drama may be tolerable if the ability is elite but if the output is getting lower and the drama is getting higher then there comes a point where it’s not worth it.

Contract was too long in hindsight but I can only imagine the meltdowns on here if he’d asked for a trade because we only offered him 4 or 5 years instead.

The “12 week Hammy” injury was when things went into hyperspace and the video started to appear. His Hammy’s were ok….

[DeeSpencer 25,444]

55 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I agree, it's been handled extremely poorly.

Start off by getting rid of Pert for starters. This wouldn't be handled so poorly under Peter Jacksons and Josh Mahoneys watch.

Look at the way we professionally handled the Jack Watts and Jesse Hogan scenario. 

Hogan had a desperate Freo chasing him, they pretended they weren’t but they coughed up the pick 6.

Watts we were happy to take what we got.

Oliver was completely un-tradeable last year. Probably we shouldn’t have even tried, but initial reports were clubs were after him sending his availability. Either way his behavioural issues were going to come to light.

This year he seems to have 1 genuine trade suitor but they’re offering nothing. If we are mucking around and indecivise it’s a terrible look. If we are genuinely committed to trading him but have to downplay it to up the Cats offer then this is the unfortunate reality of the nature of afl trades.

[Roost it far 8,176]

I've read all the posts and I've got just this, it shows the trajectory of the Melbourne FC since the Flag on the left and on the right the club today as it prepares to talk itself back into contention.

Edited October 4 by Roost it far

[Garbo 1,519]

54 minutes ago, Red But Mostly Blue said:

Whether you think Clarry should, or should not, be traded is not really the issue here.

This has been handled ATROCIOUSLY by the club - again. Like last year. And Trac this year.

IF there is an issue - you DON'T destroy the club's bargaining power. It's as if we love entering into these situations (off our own bat) with the weakest hand possible. A self-inflicted handicap. Do we love the challenge? 

Personally, I want Clarry to stay. The notion of giving him (and his potential next year after a big preseason) up for a future pick in the LATE TEENS, plus likely paying some of his salary (to save for whom? Because of all this [censored] WHO wants to come to our club?? WHY?) makes no sense. If our window was not already closed with Gus gone, Trac a question mark for next year (either because we're just not sure when he will play, or his level due to injuries), then it will certainly be closed with Clarry gone. We have NO depth, and because of this mess cannot trade or recruit to fill gaps. Furthermore, any kids we get will need guys like Clarry to learn from. 

If Clarry has issues, still, fine. Apparently this has been known for some time. Like every other club we deal with it. If there have been mistakes made re other players - you acknowledge it - get everyone into a room, talk about it, clear the air and remind these guys that we are a FOOTY CLUB, a once great club, now apparently focused on drama and dirty laundry. You get on the same page about trying to snag a flag next year. If Trac and Carry are on the park, and we can somehow, perhaps through prayer lol, convince some talent to join us and fill a couple of gaps, we have enough talent to do some damage next year. 

BUT - everyone has to be on the same page. Clear the air. Put the mistakes behind us. Learn. FOCUS on what is needed to correct course next year. No more silly emails. Just good footy. 

I want Clarry in the red and blue next year. He needs help to focus. I get it. If there was an offer of 2 first rounders, or 1 first rounder and a solid player, fine. Maybe you say ok we cut our losses. But that ain't the case. Dropping Clarry for nothing at all, just to 'save cap space' and a future F1, for the Cats, will be late teens if we're lucky. Pointless. Meanwhile the Cats do what we should have done/do, sort Clarry out, and he helps them to win another flag next year.

Stuff that. Let's fix this. Shake hands. Build together. Snag a flag. 

#SnagAFlag

So if last year was his final warning and he’s broken there trust again you want to give him another chance just because. Sounds like the kind of poor culture that has got us in this position to start with 

[Dockett 32 1,239]

So it’s suggested that the net effect is we pay 700/800k pa for seven years to deal with a current problem child?

Bloody hell! 

How does that help us again?

I realise that we are wedged, but those who created the problem need to own it and fix the problem child.  

Getting walked over as proposed , the old quick and easy cut and run , simply makes things worse for a very long time.

 

 

 

 

[BDA 22,735]

While Clarry was delivering on his $1m contract we were happy to babysit him and put up with his behavioural issues.

now that he’s produced a season and a half of injury and underperformance we’ve decided he’s not worth it.

why oh why did we give him a monster contract. Massive list mgt fail. 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,163]

3 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

What a disgusting mismanagement of a HUMAN BEING!

As I said yesterday, you cannot use Clarry as a pawn in some sick game to make yourself appear to be fixing our culture. 
You are dealing with someone who loves and is committed to this club, or at least was, who is struggling with his mental health. You play with him, saying we want you, while also shopping him around, deluded to think he won’t find out. 
His management team, the same team who manages one C Petracca, must be shaking their head in disgusting.

And all the while, you wonder why nobody wants to come to this club, or why our culture stinks. This is why it stinks. You can trade away 1, 10, 44 players, but if the clowns running this circus remain, then guess what? The culture will continue to stink! 

Spot on the money Jaded. I don't know if it's Pert, Green, the Board, Richo, Goodwin, Lamb but the senior leaders at the club are responsible for the culture and they have let the club, it's supporters and players down big time. A clean slate is needed, the leadership/culture at the club is toxic.

[BangBnagBang 682]

 

2 hours ago, Tracca said:

Hang on a sec…..

where did you hear we did the call around? That is all driven from the media. There is zero chance Gary pert called anyone about list management decisions.

Pert is on the list management committee. He sits in the weekly meetings. So what if he rings another contact at another club. Maybe he has a better relationship with them compared to Lamb. Maybe he rang Ned Kelly cause the Pies don’t have a footy manager currently. I've never seen something so over blown than the blow up over Pert contacting another club.

[daisycutter 29,604]

2 minutes ago, BDA said:

While Clarry was delivering on his $1m contract we were happy to babysit him and put up with his behavioural issues.

now that he’s produced a season and a half of injury and underperformance we’ve decided he’s not worth it.

why oh why did we give him a monster contract. Massive list mgt fail. 

huh?  pert: best culture he'd ever seen 😁

[Adam The God 30,122]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Genuine laughing stock we are.

Can't wait to go through another year of Clayton Oliver distraction and noise. Which player is on baby sitting duties next year? 

But you do you Melbourne. 

Maybe it's Chocco? He did babysit that other fellow that ended up winning 3 flags for Richmond.

[Mickey 4,647]

Have just listened to Max on Triple M this morning. He didn't say much, except that he'll support Clarry no matter what, but he did say he's sick of the leaking from the club and we need to get on top of it

 

Edited October 4 by Mickey

[cookieboc 776]

Oliver is the best MFC player I have seen, it also seems like he's a [censored] bloke. MFC is a great club but being run by [censored] people. Those [censored] people seem to lack basic communication skills, where at the very least, they need to tell each other to shut the [censored] up and stop leaking to the media. Even Max seemed exasperated on his radio show this morning.

I will be super happy that Oliver stays, not looking forward to next year when he and CP5 get bandied around by the media/ club with possible trade scenarios again. 

[Adam The God 30,122]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

He's been a handful for the footy club and the players for the past couple of years.

The club has gone way above and beyond more then anyone on the playing list. It's no wonder the players are completely fed up with him because he simply won't learn or take responsibility for his actions and behaviours. 

How about for once Oliver takes responsibility for his own actions and start acting like a grown adult for once in his life.

He's 27, not an 18 year old kid.

Paying a guy pretty much 1 million a year to take the absolute [censored] out of the system sums it all up.

There is an absolutely no way anyone  can accuse the footy club for its lack of support because if anything the club has supported him to the tilt.

He literally had to live with the Gawns this year because the club cannot trust him off field.

I really don't want to hear the ADD defence either. It's mostly BS.

[layzie 33,748]

2 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

I really don't want to hear the ADD defence either. It's mostly BS.

I've largely been in support of keeping Oliver this week but if that defence does make it to the media I'd find that pretty insulting to be honest.

[Adam The God 30,122]

Just now, layzie said:

I've largely been in support of keeping Oliver this week but if that defence does make it to the media I'd find that pretty insulting to be honest.

As someone with ADD, I would too...

[DEElirium 16]

Probably an unpopular opinion but I think Oliver and Trac should go I am sick of the club in the headlines we have a good group of young talent coming through let the kids play 

[DubDee 25,590]

3 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

 

Solid negotiation tactic

Geelong will roll us unless we play hard ball

[Fat Tony 5,217]

Just now, DubDee said:

Solid negotiation tactic

Geelong will roll us unless we play hard ball

I think we are effectively asking the Cats to put up their best offer by today or we will shut it down before the best and fairest. The media firestorm is too much for the club to handle for another 2 weeks. Either the Cats really want him and will pay his wage and give a 2025 first rounder or we will kiss and make up.