16 minutes ago, Abyssal said:

My concern with this is, if he chooses not to get fit and firing, has more off field troubles and/or holds the club in contempt resulting in him making no effort ( even begin happy to front up weekly at Casey) would MFC still be required to PAY HIS FULL SALARY?

If so, player contacts are clearly too heavily stacked in the players favour to the point of being farcical.

No one knows what in his contract and his future intentions to honour it. Are there any sackable offences in footy? Last sacking I know of is of Campbell Brown getting sacked for clocking Steven May. But I doubt Brown was on big money then or know if his contract was payed out or just torn up.

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End of the day, regardless of who's done what or how this particular issue plays out, Pert is finished. 

Amongst many other things, a CEO is responsible for the image of an organisation. Our image is in the toilet so he has to go.

Really he has to walk for the good of the club.

i'm not expecting a really good trade with jeelong but i am expecting a reasonably good trade

if we let him go for peanuts or a bad deal then that will really do me in 

if jeelong really want to get him they have to make a decent offer and we have to play hardball. we must salvage something out of this ... or it should be no deal

14 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

"wounded and unsupported" or delusional? I think bing181 makes a very good point about the effect of Clayton's ADHD condition on all of this.

Even deciding over the course of a few days and a couple of visits that you want to change clubs after nearly a decade is classic ADHD. 

(Plenty of reports that up to a week or two ago he was all in and full of love for the Dees).

29 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

 

Here’s a 25-point summary of the article on Clayton Oliver's potential trade from Melbourne to Geelong:

1. Melbourne Demons face a crisis over Clayton Oliver's looming trade to Geelong.
2. The club is weighing whether to keep a disenchanted Oliver or trade him for less value.
3. Oliver feels unsupported and let down by the Demons after being used as trade bait twice.
4. Melbourne risks further deterioration if Oliver stays without feeling fully invested.
5. Despite tensions, Oliver may attend the Demons' best and fairest night out of loyalty to teammates.
6. Oliver wants to move to Geelong, and his manager, Nick Gieschen, is working on the deal.
7. Geelong is calm and confident about the trade, sitting in a strong negotiating position.
8. The Cats are expected to offer a future first-round pick for Oliver, which is seen as a bargain.
9. Geelong's psychologist, David Williams, formerly of Melbourne, knows Oliver well.
10. Oliver could join Bailey Smith at Geelong, potentially revitalising both players’ careers.
11. This trade would give Geelong a powerful midfield boost alongside other recent acquisitions.
12. The situation highlights Melbourne's broader issues, including internal crises and player discontent.
13. Melbourne initially stated Oliver was staying, but his positive meeting with Geelong changed that.
14. The club finds it hard to reverse course after considering trading Oliver for two consecutive years.
15. Gary Pert, Melbourne CEO, is under fire for his role in the handling of Oliver’s situation.
16. Oliver feels abandoned after following the club's off-field expectations to improve personally.
17. Coach Simon Goodwin repeatedly praised Oliver's development but now faces the fallout of trade talks.
18. Despite personal challenges, Oliver remains a top player, winning four best-and-fairest awards.
19. The trade saga is another setback for Melbourne after the Joel Smith drugs suspension and other controversies.
20. Christian Petracca, another Melbourne star, has also had grievances with the club.
21. Dan Houston rejected a move to Melbourne after hearing about the club's cultural issues.
22. Oliver’s close relationship with captain Max Gawn adds further complexity to the trade.
23. If traded, Geelong would likely pay most of Oliver’s $1.4 million salary, with Melbourne potentially contributing.
24. Melbourne may use the trade to reset its culture and salary cap, similar to Collingwood’s past rebuild.
25. The trade could signal the end of Melbourne's premiership window, raising concerns among fans.

The situation highlights internal turmoil at Melbourne and Geelong's strategic opportunity to capitalise on the Demons' mismanagement of a star player.

2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I get your point, but i will be Filthy if Jeeelong get another easy trade

No, I totally agree.

If we genuinely want him gone I think we should fight tooth and nail for the best deal until the last minute of trading.

And pay zero of his salary.

I also think we should be working overtime with every other club and not giving Geelong the time of day.

If no suitable deal can be done, he stays.   
If he then plays at Casey for the whole  year @ $1,000,000- + it would bring into focus player contracts and farce the really are.

19 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Campbell is considering his options now

😂

Don't think he has many

18 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

I remember the jubilation around here when we had signed up Tracc and Clarrie basically for life. Now it’s like an ugly nightmare that could make it impossible for us to attract and keep decent talent for the rest of the decade. Such is life.

if Clarry was a free agent at least we’d get pick 4

I must confess, I haven’t had the time to read 70 odd pages of comments but why don’t we just shut the door on this and say no Carlton is a required player and we will not be trading him full stop.

 

i am pretty sure that Goodwin would not want to trade Clayton so we can just end this once and for all.

5 hours ago, Superunknown said:

@WalkingCivilWar absence is telling. Checking you’re ok, WCW!

She’s good, she will be attending the women’s match tonight and B&F tomorrow. She will send updates on the way out of the burning building. 
She also said Oliver was at the women’s game last week supporting, but no song and dance like the time Trac attended a game a few weeks ago.

25 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

I’m sorry but that’s plain rubbish. Sounds like he got toasted at the Brownlow and skipped several appointments. If anyone’s feeling wounded it’d be his backers at the club. The media are full of 💩

It feels like we as a club have ADHD. We have broadcast all our issues, shown all our cards and changed our minds all before the trade period has even started.

*And I'm not making light of ADHD as half my family has it. 

FWIW my boss lives near a board member (wouldn’t say who) that apparently had no idea Clarry was being shopped. 

 

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Well done Gary. Bloke is about as subtle as a sledgehammer. 

13 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

 

Here’s a 25-point summary of the article on Clayton Oliver's potential trade from Melbourne to Geelong:

1. Melbourne Demons face a crisis over Clayton Oliver's looming trade to Geelong.
2. The club is weighing whether to keep a disenchanted Oliver or trade him for less value.
3. Oliver feels unsupported and let down by the Demons after being used as trade bait twice.
4. Melbourne risks further deterioration if Oliver stays without feeling fully invested.
5. Despite tensions, Oliver may attend the Demons' best and fairest night out of loyalty to teammates.
6. Oliver wants to move to Geelong, and his manager, Nick Gieschen, is working on the deal.
7. Geelong is calm and confident about the trade, sitting in a strong negotiating position.
8. The Cats are expected to offer a future first-round pick for Oliver, which is seen as a bargain.
9. Geelong's psychologist, David Williams, formerly of Melbourne, knows Oliver well.
10. Oliver could join Bailey Smith at Geelong, potentially revitalising both players’ careers.
11. This trade would give Geelong a powerful midfield boost alongside other recent acquisitions.
12. The situation highlights Melbourne's broader issues, including internal crises and player discontent.
13. Melbourne initially stated Oliver was staying, but his positive meeting with Geelong changed that.
14. The club finds it hard to reverse course after considering trading Oliver for two consecutive years.
15. Gary Pert, Melbourne CEO, is under fire for his role in the handling of Oliver’s situation.
16. Oliver feels abandoned after following the club's off-field expectations to improve personally.
17. Coach Simon Goodwin repeatedly praised Oliver's development but now faces the fallout of trade talks.
18. Despite personal challenges, Oliver remains a top player, winning four best-and-fairest awards.
19. The trade saga is another setback for Melbourne after the Joel Smith drugs suspension and other controversies.
20. Christian Petracca, another Melbourne star, has also had grievances with the club.
21. Dan Houston rejected a move to Melbourne after hearing about the club's cultural issues.
22. Oliver’s close relationship with captain Max Gawn adds further complexity to the trade.
23. If traded, Geelong would likely pay most of Oliver’s $1.4 million salary, with Melbourne potentially contributing.
24. Melbourne may use the trade to reset its culture and salary cap, similar to Collingwood’s past rebuild.
25. The trade could signal the end of Melbourne's premiership window, raising concerns among fans.

The situation highlights internal turmoil at Melbourne and Geelong's strategic opportunity to capitalise on the Demons' mismanagement of a star player.

This is 100% a Chat GPT summary, but thanks lol. 

So the Cats may have Stengle, Bayley Smith and Clarry on their books by close of trade period. They must believe their culture is super strong to keep those 3 in line. 

A future first rounder for the best midfielder the club has had in decades. That first rounder will likely be between picks 15-18 too, as Geelong have such a home ground advantage at this point then finals and top four are almost locked in annually. 

The idea that we lose Clarry for pick 15-18 next year is insane to me. This feels like we're entering Neeld era territory again somehow just three years after a flag. Only Melbourne could [censored] the bed this badly. I feel horrible, disappointed and defeated. 

If we trade him and only get a Geelong future first I'll be livid and extremely sad at the same time. 

Probably the right call if there are behavioural issues that are ongoing, and we aren’t going to get much trade capital if they are paying his wage, but just another public/member relations nightmare.Terrible management.

This is just damning stuff 

Just now, demoncat said:

This is just damning stuff 

So the spruiking was basically a sales pitch? Nothing to see here it's all good. Give us two first rounders?

it now seems like clarry has gone from villain to victim, all within the week

afl media is just another cheap reality show ... no angle rejected if clickable

2 minutes ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

So the spruiking was basically a sales pitch? Nothing to see here it's all good. Give us two first rounders?

Makes sense to me. Brutal but not sure there were many options at the time. His trade value last year compared to right now is stark in comparison. 

Wrapped our arms around him. Played him throughout the season to keep him engaged and motivated even though he wasn't in good shape. Talked him up to media every chance we had.

I can see how the playing group including Trac would not have been happy with this. But its now time to move on.

I've been watching a 40min highlights real of Robbie Flower just to comfort myself through this time. Personally I think all language should be unblocked on this thread so I can say For [censored] Sake!!

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