The Dan Houston Thread

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We ran them to 2 points with half a side and sick players playing.

He saw that up close.

[MrFreeze 1,842]

13 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Did this hack apologize for his [censored] take on Clarry now that his injuries have been made public? I bet not. 

How about you worry about Port doing something in finals for once Kane

Ridiculously harsh, he was not disparaging Clayton's character just pointing out he is not fully fit and has not played well. Kane has been pretty fair and reasonable regarding the dees.

[MrFreeze 1,842]

1 hour ago, Dee Zephyr said:

I still find it hard to believe Houston's mind is flip flopping in regards to our fortunes right now when he has bigger fish to fry. The season is nowhere near done.

I think its more likely other clubs have thrown their hat in the ring and now the asking price has risen 

[The Jackson FIX 2,673]

12 minutes ago, MrFreeze said:

Ridiculously harsh, he was not disparaging Clayton's character just pointing out he is not fully fit and has not played well. Kane has been pretty fair and reasonable regarding the dees.

Fair?

“Has there ever been a player with as much talent giving so little output as Kossie Pickett?”

That’ comment is as far away from ‘fair’ as I can imagine.

[MrFreeze 1,842]

Just now, The Jackson FIX said:

Fair?

“Has there ever been a player with as much talent giving so little output as Kossie Pickett?”

That’ comment is as far away from ‘fair’ as I can imagine.

I don't agree with everything he says but the histrionics every time he gets mentioned is completely over the top

[Jaded No More 67,599]

17 minutes ago, MrFreeze said:

Ridiculously harsh, he was not disparaging Clayton's character just pointing out he is not fully fit and has not played well. Kane has been pretty fair and reasonable regarding the dees.

I think you and I are listening to a different Kane. 
He has done everything but call Clarry a cultural cancer. Suggesting we let him go for nothing (or give away our first round pick too!) just to be rid of him, while at the same time saying Collingwood were too quick to give up on Ginnivan. 
The man is an [censored]. 

[The Jackson FIX 2,673]

Just now, MrFreeze said:

I don't agree with everything he says but the histrionics every time he gets mentioned is completely over the top

I used to like him - and occasionally defend him - but he has become increasingly radical in his pursuit for attention/ratings/differentiation and, as a result, has lost any balance in his reporting.  

The Kossie comment was actually ‘is there anyone more talented that delivers less than Kossie Pickett?’.  It was ridiculous rhetoric. Very difficult to argue people are harsh on him when he says stuff like that.

[BLWNBA 692]

10 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Fair?

“Has there ever been a player with as much talent giving so little output as Kossie Pickett?”

That’ comment is as far away from ‘fair’ as I can imagine.

His comments on Pickett are completely accurate. For a player that went as high as Pickett did, you'd expect more ROI for the talent he has. Inconsistency is Pickett's mandate. 

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,416]

Apparently Houston spent time reading Demonland and that changed his mind. 

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,283]

2 minutes ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

Apparently Houston spent time reading Demonland and that changed his mind. 

I question why I'm wasting my time here most days....

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,283]

18 minutes ago, BLWNBA said:

His comments on Pickett are completely accurate. For a player that went as high as Pickett did, you'd expect more ROI for the talent he has. Inconsistency is Pickett's mandate. 

This is absolute BS. Only very recently they showed his standing over his first 80 or so games and he is up there with some of the best small forwards. 

Edited August 14 by DistrACTION Jackson

[Jaded No More 67,599]

15 minutes ago, BLWNBA said:

His comments on Pickett are completely accurate. For a player that went as high as Pickett did, you'd expect more ROI for the talent he has. Inconsistency is Pickett's mandate. 

Inconsistent? 
He is elite for goals per game!

Compare him to say Charlie Cameron, he’s kicked more goals from two less games, while also playing midfield minutes, in a team that hasn’t performed as well. He is also 7 years younger and played like 200 less games. 
 

It was a [censored] take from Cornes. 

[BLWNBA 692]

5 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

This is absolute BS. Only very recently they showed his standing over his first 80 or so games and he is up there with some of the best small forwards. 

Yeah, I'm familiar with the graphic and stats you're referring too. That doesn't change the position regarding consistency of performances. On averages he's ahead of Betts at the same age; if you change the metrics to totals that almost totally inverts in most categories. 

I don't doubt he has talent and I think his consistency has improved somewhat this year, but I hardly think he's a beacon out output on a weekly level. 

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,416]

22 minutes ago, BLWNBA said:

His comments on Pickett are completely accurate. For a player that went as high as Pickett did, you'd expect more ROI for the talent he has. Inconsistency is Pickett's mandate. 

Incorrect. 

[BLWNBA 692]

Just now, Norm Smith's Curse said:

Incorrect. 

In you're opinion, as you are in mine. Though ultimately at the end of the day, he's above all discussion on this site unless you laud his efforts weekly. 

[Superunknown 4,052]

1 hour ago, BLWNBA said:

His comments on Pickett are completely accurate. For a player that went as high as Pickett did, you'd expect more ROI for the talent he has. Inconsistency is Pickett's mandate. 

If it’s his mandate I have some serious questions for the coach. 
 

 

[BLWNBA 692]

3 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

If it’s his mandate I have some serious questions for the coach. 
 

 

Touché. 

[Bates Mate 4,422]

14 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Jay Clarke reporting that he thinks Dan Houston will now wont be at Melbourne due to the off field issues and will assess other Victorian options or stay at Port Adelaide.

 

So Houston only became aware of all these "issues" after a Tom Morris report and the subsequent SEN , AFL.com, hS page page and airtime fillers in the last 3 days.... Please

[Jaded No More 67,599]

2 minutes ago, Bates Mate said:

So Houston only became aware of all these "issues" after a Tom Morris report and the subsequent SEN , AFL.com, hS page page and airtime fillers in the last 3 days.... Please

And Houston, who has been playing for like 10 seasons, has never in his life encountered internal conflict and is not  well aware that these thing are common place in football clubs?

He plays for Port for goodness sake, Hinkley has been getting the sack there every year for 5 years now.

I reckon other clubs smelled blood and are pouncing like vultures. If a trade has been sorted with Port already, then not only will other clubs have to satisfy Houston, they would also have to trump our deal. 

Edited August 15 by Jaded No More

[ElDiablo14 4,903]

15 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Did this hack apologize for his [censored] take on Clarry now that his injuries have been made public? I bet not. 

How about you worry about Port doing something in finals for once Kane

Port will sack their coach at the end of the year... Mark my words 😎

[waynewussell 4,842]

2 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

... Mark my words 😎

I'd rather not!

[Deez21 158]

Don't see the loss in a guy who read a report about culture and made the decision to not come. Who did he sit down with at the club to come to that conclusion overnight.

Plus mortgaging our future on a guy who will be 28 when he plays his first game

I hope this is a good lesson to players to keep their matters internal.

[whatwhat say what 22,057]

1 hour ago, BLWNBA said:

In you're opinion, as you are in mine. Though ultimately at the end of the day, he's above all discussion on this site unless you laud his efforts weekly. 

there's a difference between evidential data and 'the vibe'

the former has pickett tracking to be one of the best small forwards since aaron davey reinvented the position - better than stephen milne and eddie betts, and comparable with charlie cameron and cyril rioli

'the vibe' has it that we want to see so much more from him as an output basis and also from a consistency data output from game to game rather than highs and lows from game to game, let alone quarter to quarter

i think both @BLWNBA and @Norm Smith's Curse can be generally speaking 'correct' in their positions

i think pickett is a helluva player - much like davey, his high level output will ultimately see him transitioning beyond being 'only' one of the best small forwards of his era

[BLWNBA 692]

Just now, whatwhat say what said:

there's a difference between evidential data and 'the vibe'

the former has pickett tracking to be one of the best small forwards since aaron davey reinvented the position - better than stephen milne and eddie betts, and comparable with charlie cameron and cyril rioli

'the vibe' has it that we want to see so much more from him as an output basis and also from a consistency data output from game to game rather than highs and lows from game to game, let alone quarter to quarter

i think both @BLWNBA and @Norm Smith's Curse can be generally speaking 'correct' in their positions

i think pickett is a helluva player - much like davey, his high level output will ultimately see him transitioning beyond being 'only' one of the best small forwards of his era

This is a very fair take and pretty well summarised. I'm pretty cognisant that my views are definitely in the minority. 

I don't think he's a poor player, I think he's incredibly inconsistent. I hold him to a high standard because he clearly capable of performing at that level; though I personally think that when he has an incredible performance, such as R18 in 2022, that recency bias creeps in and his 'down weeks' are somewhat glossed over. 

[waynewussell 4,842]

If you are not already seeing Kossie as a generational talent, something else is filtering your point of view!