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1 minute ago, whatwhat say what said:

no way

houston is one of the best ball users in the competition

callaghan is a good player, but houston is a two-time all oztrayan for good reason

Callahan is FAR superior to DH, not even close. Diff roles, age a factor in that also.

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5 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

did you see the game where gw$ beat the puddy tatts down at sleepy hollow and it felt like he marked EVERY f50 entry?

Yes, that is what made me see improvement, but outside of that he has looked a lil shaky.. but def has some talent that much is clear, wld just make me nervous ala Chisholm used to same kinda jitters spring to mind

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I am still holding some hope that there are 1-2 players were into that aren't public yet, seems its not Riccardi or C Brown like i'd hoped or Hogan which I was trying to manifest haha but def feels like there is someone in the wind late.. Callahan feels like a next year one for Saints and anyone else but if available have a crack, issue is gonna be pick5 ie we are NOT moving it for anything! Hence why SH deal won't come back, as we weren't thinking it'd be #5 when he backed-out so am glad he did, the turncoat he is!

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2 minutes ago, Tolstoys Nudge said:

Callahan is FAR superior to DH, not even close. Diff roles, age a factor in that also.

i'm sorry but i just don't see it

houston is a much better ball user by foot, accrues more disposals, impacts the play much more...

personally, i'd like both!

don't see this as a knock on callaghan; more of an indication of how highly houston is as a player in my estimation

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5 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

i'm sorry but i just don't see it

houston is a much better ball user by foot, accrues more disposals, impacts the play much more...

personally, i'd like both!

don't see this as a knock on callaghan; more of an indication of how highly houston is as a player in my estimation

Finn is certified line breaker, precise by foot and a lethal finisher with pace.. and YOUNG

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15 minutes ago, Tolstoys Nudge said:

Finn is certified line breaker, precise by foot and a lethal finisher with pace.. and YOUNG

he's anything but precise by foot imo

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Callaghan is a tease, not buying the hype just yet

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1 hour ago, adonski said:

Callaghan is a tease, not buying the hype just yet

Fair enough.. but if he was a Demon it'd be a game-changer for me & i'd be hyped-up like a 90's rap MC 🤩

2024 Disposals: 22.9 / 346m gained

2024 Player rating: 11.65 (for perspective, that is similar to say Daniels at GWS, and is better than Langdon has ever had best of 10.1 same exact best rating as Salem coincidentally in his entire career, Finn has played 50 games) So I think saying he is a tease might be a little harsh for a 3rd year player. But get where you are coming from!

For further ref only, Trac goes i50 more than anyone just about and therefore his kicking (which is inconsistent we know) is 55% for career @4.9 i50's per game.. His kicks go 17m on avg, Finn's 16m.

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47 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

he's anything but precise by foot imo

74% disp eff and 66% kicking eff career, lowest being this year but his inside 50's this year was way up to 4 a game from 3 per game so that works hand in hand really. For a line breaker that's running at speed, that is v solid. He takes the kicks most never even attempt which hurts him but that is GWS coaches encouraging him to do so most likely. Comp to Nibbler for instance who went at 53% Kick Eff this year at similar i50 per game (less though 3.4 vs Finn 3.8) Salem for instance goes 72% Career but has only 2 i50 per game and LY went at 68% kicking eff.. Gus is his closest demon career wise and Gus wasn't sprinting 80% of time he kicked.. 

20 Coaches votes this year for me means he has gone form prospect to pro -- but we all have our opinions that is what makes the world go round haha

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Perhaps our best trade-in will be if we can somehow get another top-15 pick, feels like a list-changing draft ala Kos/Jackson so if we can get that pick 14 were chasing or anything else, which is something we've always done well, that will bear potential fruit down the line greater than anything else.

 

FWIW I think getting  Membrey, Derkson, Daniel, Owies combo would be solid enough w/youth added to make a massive overall change to the list depth without obv seeing topline like Lever/May which can't be expected most years.. Preuss/Soldo/Crossley as ruck depth would also be something I'd love to see, kid from SA who's a Ruck is also in our current 2nd pick draft range as well.

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On 18/09/2024 at 12:54, dazzledavey36 said:

If we're not going hard on this bloke then I'll fully rage 

 

So long as strapping's outside the salary cap...

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Just now, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

So long as strapping's outside the salary cap...

Seriously, though, are his shoulders an issue?

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2 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

no way

houston is one of the best ball users in the competition

callaghan is a good player, but houston is a two-time all oztrayan for good reason

Callaghan is still just 21 with only 50 games under his belt.

Callaghan has far more upside, imo.  Should become a superstar.

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Is Callaghan wanting to come to Vic? If he's an option to extract from GWS, then we should throw the kitchen sink at him. He was previously a top 5 pick and has shown he was worth it, developing well in a stacked midfield. We should throw pick 5 without a second thought and potentially sweeteners on top. He's already a very good line breaking midfielder inside and outside particularly. He will be a star in future and only 21 years old.

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1 hour ago, Lord Travis said:

Is Callaghan wanting to come to Vic? If he's an option to extract from GWS, then we should throw the kitchen sink at him. He was previously a top 5 pick and has shown he was worth it, developing well in a stacked midfield. We should throw pick 5 without a second thought and potentially sweeteners on top. He's already a very good line breaking midfielder inside and outside particularly. He will be a star in future and only 21 years old.

Contracted until the end of next year and no signs that he’s unhappy. I expect over summer he’ll sign an extension until free agency Ie, 2029.

We should make him an offer (both now and for post 2025), the same as the Saints and half the other Melbourne clubs should. Doubt he’ll be interested though.

I can’t imagine there’s anyway GWS would trade him short of a stupid offer Ie. Pick 5, future first, steak knives and whilst he’s very good I don’t think that’s a wise deal.

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On 19/09/2024 at 14:11, whatwhat say what said:

i'm sorry but i just don't see it

houston is a much better ball user by foot, accrues more disposals, impacts the play much more...

personally, i'd like both!

don't see this as a knock on callaghan; more of an indication of how highly houston is as a player in my estimation

Fair points mate, your opinion makes sense but for me age is a major factor w/Houston and fact he has a kick efficiency of 67% career means he definitely fills need but we've moved off him after he baulked and our Pick became 5 and I'd definitely prefer pick 5 as I am infatuated with Josh Smilie and think he can be a genuine 250 game stud for us as a hybrid mid/fwd he has so much Power and aggression its uncanny!

 

But have always thought Finn was the ideal line breaking kicker we needed so maybe I am biased!

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On 19/09/2024 at 16:22, Lord Travis said:

Is Callaghan wanting to come to Vic? If he's an option to extract from GWS, then we should throw the kitchen sink at him. He was previously a top 5 pick and has shown he was worth it, developing well in a stacked midfield. We should throw pick 5 without a second thought and potentially sweeteners on top. He's already a very good line breaking midfielder inside and outside particularly. He will be a star in future and only 21 years old.

I am only going by that one story re Saints -- for me it feels like a pipe dream considering how highly rated he is but if Saints are having a crack we had better be as well...

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On 19/09/2024 at 14:07, Tolstoys Nudge said:

Callahan is FAR superior to DH, not even close. Diff roles, age a factor in that also.

I don’t think we need a half back but sorely need a young pacy and strong mid to add in 2024 and for future years. 

[spirit of norm smith 16,168]

Think Dees can only really bring in max 2 players from other clubs   Want to keep 4 picks in this years draft 

Yes to Peatling (if he was to leave GWS and we beat the other 5 clubs in the offer) Best offer is future 2025 2nd round to GWS 

Yes probably to Parfitt (if he was delisted or if future 3rd round pick) , Derksen (if he was available for a pick the 50.+ range) 

Not that keen but a possible maybe to Membrey (swap for Tomlinson) Matt Kennedy or Owies (For a future 3rd round pick)
Maybe but with a lot of due diligence: Malcolm Rosas (jnr) 

No to … Macrae, Daniel, Ross, Taberner, Cerra, Ladhams, Jack Martin, Marchbank, Hind, Sam Day , Haynes, Stringer, Darling, Tom Campbell…

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On 18/09/2024 at 11:29, Adam The God said:

If we went with Owies, we could play Spargo on the non Langdon wing and play Windsor between half back and midfield.

Spargo has not got the tank IMO to play wing full time.
I also believe we fast forward The Duke ( Windsor) career by placing him in the centre. 

He reminds me of Chad Warner in some way and hopefully he is putting on muscle. He from the centre and not wing would become a 20/25 plus goalkicker in 2025 and increase in the future. 
His disposal is elite and I think he might be strong enough with a tank to star for us. Also attend stoppages at centre bounce !! 

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2 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Think Dees can only really bring in max 2 players from other clubs   Want to keep 4 picks in this years draft 

Yes to Peatling (if he was to leave GWS and we beat the other 5 clubs in the offer) Best offer is future 2025 2nd round to GWS 

Yes probably to Parfitt (if he was delisted or if future 3rd round pick) , Derksen (if he was available for a pick the 50.+ range) 

Not that keen but a possible maybe to Membrey (swap for Tomlinson) Matt Kennedy or Owies (For a future 3rd round pick)
Maybe but with a lot of due diligence: Malcolm Rosas (jnr) 

No to … Macrae, Daniel, Ross, Taberner, Cerra, Ladhams, Jack Martin, Marchbank, Hind, Sam Day , Haynes, Stringer, Darling, Tom Campbell…

It does seem increasingly likely that the draft will be a focus for this year doesn't it?

We do have all of Neal-Bullen, Brayshaw, Smith, Ben Brown, Schache and Farris-White confirmed gone, while Tomlinson, and Hore are yet to be signed, and Hunter seems a bit of a mystery from a contract perspective.

I think it's safe to say we'll have 7 list spots to fill. Personally, a trade and free agency period (based on current media rumours and likelihood) of Peatling, Owies, Membrey and Campbell would be a big win against my current expectations. It's not very exciting, but it addresses depth needs that would mean we can hit the top end of the draft simply for best available which is a good thing for our future I believe.

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5 hours ago, adonski said:

 

58 games in 13 years, 32 years old, delisted twice, we'd be his 4th club.

Jeezus, is this what we've come to! Is Fullerton a bust then?

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6 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

58 games in 13 years, 32 years old, delisted twice, we'd be his 4th club.

Jeezus, is this what we've come to! Is Fullerton a bust then?

Must surely be frustrating for Fullarton after a tough year. The difference perhaps though is that, in my view, Fullarton was taken as a forward/ruck option where Campbell seems to be more 'pure' ruck. Different roles maybe? Campbell also seems more likely the true Gawn backup in case of injury.

Of course in saying that, seeing Fullarton toil away for Casey for some genuinely good returns while Petty was allowed months to find form at senior level was surely as frustrating to him as it was to a lot of us supporters. So even with the different roles argument, the selection is still truly baffling.

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57 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Must surely be frustrating for Fullarton after a tough year. The difference perhaps though is that, in my view, Fullarton was taken as a forward/ruck option where Campbell seems to be more 'pure' ruck. Different roles maybe? Campbell also seems more likely the true Gawn backup in case of injury.

Of course in saying that, seeing Fullarton toil away for Casey for some genuinely good returns while Petty was allowed months to find form at senior level was surely as frustrating to him as it was to a lot of us supporters. So even with the different roles argument, the selection is still truly baffling.

Mate Fullarton’s appalling. The players have all been gobsmacked at his level in training. There’s a reason he didn’t get picked, no matter how injured or out of form others were.