POSTGAME: Rd 08 vs Geelong

[leave it to deever 17,517]

4 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Fritsch is criminally underrated by the average joe schlub 

Maybe as he is skinny, doesn’t crash pack or doesn’t fit into the usual model of a small or tall

He is on track to kick 66.27

most consistent fwd we have had in 5 years

Agreed. I wish he had more room up forward to showcase his skills. One on one for his size he's difficult to stop. Roves the ball like a small crumber, flies high and turns on a sixpence with uncanny goal sense. And consistently kicks around fifty or more a year. He seemed to travel a fair way up the ground v cats and looked good.

[Redleg 41,398]

50 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

More consistency? He’s more consistent than most key position forwards and a lot more consistent than any other medium forward. He went something like 40 games kicking at least one goal. He also kicked 6 in a grand final. 
I don’t know why he is so underrated. [censored] all over every other forward his size in the league. 

I hope he is underrated for 3 more Dees flags.

[Redleg 41,398]

Watching the game on TV after being at the G on Saturday night and am surprised to see the Cats complaining after every single free kick to the Dees.

Haven’t seen this from a club before, but it matches the character of their Noach who has had nothing but excuses, every time we have beaten them. We never beat them, it is only them losing it.

He appears a smug unpleasant person. 

[ElDiablo14 5,002]

2 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

Why are they still sponsored by Ford?

Didn't they throw in the towel when the Gov stopped propping them up?

Isn't the Geelong Ford plant gone?

They still do the LHS to RHS conversion of the F-150, Ford still has some presence from an Engineering POV.

I am sure all their players get one big F-150 as a perk for being under contract. They need those big truck for their farming.

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,432]

50 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

And the other side of their banner just said “go Cats”

Put a lot of thought into that!!!

In toilet roll lettering. 

[leave it to deever 17,517]

1 minute ago, ElDiablo14 said:

They still do the LHS to RHS conversion of the F-150, Ford still has some presence from an Engineering POV.

I am sure all their players get one big F-150 as a perk for being under contract. They need those big truck for their farming.

Probably to run over as much wild life as they can too. Not to mention the competition to see who can use the most fossil fuels and take up the most parking space. I saw an F 150 at Woollies the other day and it stuck out over the line by about five feet. They really are trucks. 

[Clintosaurus 7,858]

Cats fans on the socials almost universally running with the 'we were off' line. Delusional morons.

[monoccular 17,569]

4 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Have they got something  against redheads?

So is this the starter post for the “Bowey traded” thread? 🤗

2 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

If you weren’t convinced that Robbo has no idea about footy, have a listen to him on 360. He thinks Fritta plays for too many frees when Gerard posed the question where Fritta rates as a forward.

I also sent a text to SEN early this morning about Fritta being in a convo for one of the games best forwards. The host said he needs more consistency. 
This bloke is severely underrated still.

In the top 5 for most goals since 2020. 

Let him go under the radar … do we care?

And he wasn’t playing for the free when he was legged in front of goal but ignored by the maggot. 

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Watching the game on TV after being at the G on Saturday night and am surprised to see the Cats complaining after every single free kick to the Dees.

Haven’t seen this from a club before, but it matches the character of their Noach who has had nothing but excuses, every time we have beaten them. We never beat them, it is only them losing it.

He appears a smug unpleasant person. 

If the dissent rule was interpreted as it was when first introduced there would have been at least four 50 meters against those whiners. 

[biggestred 5,125]

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

Watching the game on TV after being at the G on Saturday night and am surprised to see the Cats complaining after every single free kick to the Dees.

Haven’t seen this from a club before, but it matches the character of their Noach who has had nothing but excuses, every time we have beaten them. We never beat them, it is only them losing it.

He appears a smug unpleasant person. 

I noticed this on the night.

Step 1: Give away a clear, obvious, if not paid theres a corruption investigation free kick.

Step 2: whine at ump

[Red and Bluebeard 2,089]

15 hours ago, binman said:

Which points to yet another intersring tactical move from the coach even most dees fans is a tactical plonker.

Clarry was playing a similar defensive role Gus often played. A kick behind play defensive side.

They also used clarry a lot to set up transition, something they have been doing a bit off, but it was really noticeable sat night..

It suits him because whilst he is not a bullet kick like say salo, his footy iq is off the charts, he sees the field brilliantly and he makes good decisions.

He also doesn't get rushed and can take and break tackles.

It means they often have clarry at the defensive end if the chain and tracc up the ground in dangerous offensive positions - think his kick to Fritter to set up the wonder goal.

Powerful combo and a great use of clarry's footy iq - which I think is maybe the best I've ever seen  though increasingly I'm blown away by how well koz reads the game and how quickly he thinks.

On that last point, watch his goal he sharks from a handball. Genius.

Nine out of ten players go to the cats player and tackle or put frontal pressure on. 

Not koz. He pauses for a split second, knowing a handball might come and then moves to intercept before the cats player even makes contact with the ball. Just incredible.

One of the wiser things I have heard Nathan Buckley say is that the indigenous players just see the game differently and play in a way that others don't seem to be able to. This is a great example of what he was talking about IMHO. 

[Skuit 10,031]

People can post or care about what they want of course, but I find it odd that most post-winning game threads are usually uppity about how the media reports on the win or their perceptions about our team. 

Seriously, who cares if Dermott isn't on board, or downplays the win? Fritsch kicked a goal that will be remembered 50 years from now. What does it matter if some forgotten random didn't rate it?

Chris Scott has one job: (clue) it isn't to hand out plaudits to the opposition, but to win flags, whatever approach he thinks is best. Goodwin has the same job, but takes a different approach. 

Enjoy the win. Look at the stats. Do the old fashioned eye-ball test. None of what the media and other footy forums say has anything to do with our chances of winning a flag.

Not intended as a condesceing question, but would people be happier if the media bowed down and said we are unbeatable and clear flag favourites?

[Skuit 10,031]

One of the most amusing aspects of media narrative: had Cameron kicked straight, we'd reading articles about another Scott coaching masterclass. He didn't, so instead we get articles about Jason Taylor's drafting nous. So silly. 

[dazzledavey36 55,311]

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

People can post or care about what they want of course, but I find it odd that most post-winning game threads are usually uppity about how the media reports on the win or their perceptions about our team. 

Seriously, who cares if Dermott isn't on board, or downplays the win? Fritsch kicked a goal that will be remembered 50 years from now. What does it matter if some forgotten random didn't rate it?

Chris Scott has one job: (clue) it isn't to hand out plaudits to the opposition, but to win flags, whatever approach he thinks is best. Goodwin has the same job, but takes a different approach. 

Enjoy the win. Look at the stats. Do the old fashioned eye-ball test. None of what the media and other footy forums say has anything to do with our chances of winning a flag.

Not intended as a condesceing question, but would people be happier if the media bowed down and said we are unbeatable and clear flag favourites?

Haha well said.

So funny to watch people on here get triggered by Chris Scott, Dermie, SEN commentary and now the coaches votes.

Very very sensitive bunch on here..

As you say, it was such an enjoyable win and I have even watched the replay just to go back and look at a few key moments in the game that I thought were big factors in winning the game.

Big positive is having 5 players under 10 games and beating the undefeated team without the likes of Bowey, Salem and McAdam.

[Ollie fan 3,468]

8 hours ago, biggestred said:

I noticed this on the night.

Step 1: Give away a clear, obvious, if not paid theres a corruption investigation free kick.

Step 2: whine at ump

I want surprised about it at all. They've been like that for years, with the particular stars being Hawkins, Cameron and Danger. None of them has EVER infringed the rules; any free kick against them is plainly wrong. 
 

And I have never seen any of them pinged for dissent.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,266]

11 hours ago, Redleg said:

Watching the game on TV after being at the G on Saturday night and am surprised to see the Cats complaining after every single free kick to the Dees.

Haven’t seen this from a club before, but it matches the character of their Noach who has had nothing but excuses, every time we have beaten them. We never beat them, it is only them losing it.

He appears a smug unpleasant person. 

I was screaming at the tv "what happened to dissent??" every time.

[sue 9,126]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I was screaming at the tv "what happened to dissent??" every time.

Someone at AFL HQ decided that allowing a bit of strong emotion is more valuable ($) than the pious hypocrisy they mouthed about stopping bad examples to kids and recruiting umpires.

Seriously, what sort of code introduces a new 'rule', runs with it relentlessly for a few weeks, and then increasingly ignores it.  But you watch them pull it out of their %%$# when it suits.   And they call it a professional sport....

[demoncat 1,513]

12 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

Cats fans on the socials almost universally running with the 'we were off' line. Delusional morons.

Conveniently forgetting that we kicked 2.12 across the second and third qtrs - delusional…

[Chook 15,022]

13 minutes ago, sue said:

Someone at AFL HQ decided that allowing a bit of strong emotion is more valuable ($) than the pious hypocrisy they mouthed about stopping bad examples to kids and recruiting umpires.

Seriously, what sort of code introduces a new 'rule', runs with it relentlessly for a few weeks, and then increasingly ignores it.  But you watch them pull it out of their %%$# when it suits.   And they call it a professional sport....

I reckon the zero tolerance on dissent was a Brad Scott initiative that fell really flat with fans and failed to be enforceable without paying a zillion free kicks each week. Probably was one of many things that cost him that gig and forced him back into coaching where he's better suited anyway (not that he's particularly good at that either).

[BDA 22,866]

There is no dissent in Rugby Union. And it's not because the referees are better at officiating than our umpires. It is not tolerated pure and simple. Give the referee backchat and you go in the sin bin to cool down for 10 minutes. Down a man is a big disadvantage so guess what. there's no dissent.

So dissent is easy to deal with really. It's just a question of the will to stamp it out. You penalise players until they learn that dissent isn't worth it. They will learn quickly and adapt the same as they do to any other rule change. It's just a question of the will to do it.

[leave it to deever 17,517]

On 05/05/2024 at 18:58, Dr. Gonzo said:

People are potting him because he is a blowhard who rarely has a good thing to say about Melbourne. He pontificates as if he is the Word on everything football but reality is he lost touch with the modern game two decades ago. He knows about forward craft and belting into blokes but modern tactics confuse him.

Yeah if Geelong kicked straight they may have pinched it but if we kicked straight we would've won by 5 goals. It's lazy "analysis" and just more hot air from a boofhead who is only given a paid gig based on past glories rather than any real aptitude for the role.

Ouch😃

[Fromgotowoewodin 1,606]

Really happy with that game, more so after a couple of days to think about it.

Before the game I thought we’d need big games out of our big 3 mids to get the job done but it turns out we didn’t. Clarry came into it after half time, and Trac & Viney had moments but they didn’t dominate and we still beat them pretty solidly. I think this speaks to the change in style that isn’t so reliant on Trac streaming out of the centre bounce for us to score. 

One question I had was whether we’d be able to slow down their ball movement and we did that very well with pressure on the ball carrier and our organisation across the ground. Pressuring each disposal disrupted their run as it made it hard for cheats like Close and Miers to run forward of the contest all the time and not be accountable. 

There was debate around whether Petty needed to be dropped or the plan to run him into form in the 1s would work and clearly it did. Makes a massive difference having him clunking marks and he was also putting pressure on at ground level (very important spoil that led to the Fritsch miracle). Big tick for the fitness and coaching staff. 

Scott and every Geelong fan telling themselves they nearly pinched it which is true, but we could’ve also had it over by half- or 3QT if we’d taken our early chances. They’ll know internally we had them on toast. 

Can we do it again against the Blues? Will be tough off a short break but the cats move the ball better than the blues do, we should be able to stop them, and if we can’t so be it - a loss here doesn’t end the season, just need to keep building on it for September. Signs are good. 

[Fromgotowoewodin 1,606]

16 minutes ago, BDA said:

There is no dissent in Rugby Union. And it's not because the referees are better at officiating than our umpires. It is not tolerated pure and simple. Give the referee backchat and you go in the sin bin to cool down for 10 minutes. Down a man is a big disadvantage so guess what. there's no dissent.

So dissent is easy to deal with really. It's just a question of the will to stamp it out. You penalise players until they learn that dissent isn't worth it. They will learn quickly and adapt the same as they do to any other rule change. It's just a question of the will to do it.

Union is better referreed, but it’s a different game with a different culture. The afl tried zero tolerance and everyone’s brains melted because 1) we all love to yell at the umpires, 2) there’s so much grey area in our game that some decisions are legitimately 50-50 and 3) it’s never really zero tolerance (some chosen ones always get tolerance).

We’d never cope with the 15+ 50m penalties that would come about from zero tolerance, it’d have to be a 25m penalty

[Left Foot Snap 2,453]

1 hour ago, BDA said:

There is no dissent in Rugby Union. And it's not because the referees are better at officiating than our umpires. It is not tolerated pure and simple. Give the referee backchat and you go in the sin bin to cool down for 10 minutes. Down a man is a big disadvantage so guess what. there's no dissent.

So dissent is easy to deal with really. It's just a question of the will to stamp it out. You penalise players until they learn that dissent isn't worth it. They will learn quickly and adapt the same as they do to any other rule change. It's just a question of the will to do it.

Yep, totally agree. 

When I was younger I was playing in my first Rugby Union game. Ref made a call and I was confused so asked what it was for. Whistle, marched 10. Asked 'what', marched 10 again. Several experienced team mates had me shut up very quickly.

[sue 9,126]

47 minutes ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

....

We’d never cope with the 15+ 50m penalties that would come about from zero tolerance, it’d have to be a 25m penalty

 25m penalty means nothing these days. Almost every mark or free leads to the voluntary giving up of 15-25m anyway and with the 'stand/5m' rule who knows where the mark is most of the time.

Early in the season the players had started to learn how to behave - even the Geelong ones who are now back to their finest whinging. There was never any need for multiple penalities.   

If it had been enforced consistently all season, by now infingements would be as rare as hens' teeth.   But expecting the AFL to be consistent?  Good luck with that.

[DeeMee 877]

On 05/05/2024 at 14:34, leave it to deever said:

I'm treating myself with the replay. Gee Oliver was hard done by a lot from umps.

And I noticed that Geelong player with the head band was everywhere. Often marking his own kicks.

I noticed the same thing and headband boy also has that rare ability to go tall or short depending on the circumstances.