21 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

It's going to be difficult with Goody's pay out and Seleyn's wage in the FD soft cap.

And that is where we are screwed. We laugh at the Dockers wrt to their contractual arrangement with Longmuir, but its actually quite brilliant both ways. You are essentially sackable at any point based on your performance and the club isnt held to ransom by long contracts. You perform, you keep your job like any other workplace in the country.

Next contract we set with a new coach should be set with a 2 year guarantee then its a year-by-year proposition. So if you are sacked midway, you get the payout for the rest of the season.

Whoever has been managing contracts for the club also needs to find the door.

51 minutes ago, jaydenh10 said:

can anyone recall the last playing coaching the afl/vfl? would love to know. might be us and max next year

I'd rather Daisy Pearce at this stage

6 hours ago, Adam The God said:

Problem for us is Selwyn is an injury management guy. And our injury list has been brilliant.

What we need is a new fitness coach.

Easy to prevent muscle injuries when they don't train hard enough.

6 hours ago, Adam The God said:

Problem for us is Selwyn is an injury management guy. And our injury list has been brilliant.

What we need is a new fitness coach.

?

We were never prepared properly for rounds 1-5 and after that we were playing catch up.

We have to be hard , fit and ready to start well at round 1 not round 6.

Other clubs are prepared , we were most definitely not!

9 hours ago, GS_1905 said:

And that is where we are screwed. We laugh at the Dockers wrt to their contractual arrangement with Longmuir, but its actually quite brilliant both ways. You are essentially sackable at any point based on your performance and the club isnt held to ransom by long contracts. You perform, you keep your job like any other workplace in the country.

Next contract we set with a new coach should be set with a 2 year guarantee then its a year-by-year proposition. So if you are sacked midway, you get the payout for the rest of the season.

Whoever has been managing contracts for the club also needs to find the door.

This has happened a few times with coaches that they are desperate to keep their jobs that they are placed on a staff based contract to rule out the a big payout if it all goes south.

There is precedence of this happening with the Crows and Neil Craig.

2 seasons into this new arrangement he was under pressure to deliver and never did and left mid season with no pay out resulting.

Pretty sure it was after a 100 point belting from the Dees also.

The link between Longmuir and Craig's as coaches is that up until their last contracts they had never won a premiership and had no leverage or skin In the game to place demands on what they want.

Simon would never have accepted a staff based contract after he led the club to the promise land, he would have picked up and coached elsewhere.

While our overall list is quite healthy, we've had numerous players come back from injury interrupted pre-seasons or are coming back from injury last year, it makes up a fair chunk of our best 22. I would include Petracca, Oliver, Lever, McVee, Windsor and Lindsay with Spargo and Tholstrup borderline 22. Selwyn has done well to have these guys playing decent footy again.

The decision to put most of these players straight into the firsts without giving them time to build form in 2s has little to do with Selwyn and more-so the selection committee's rigid view around team structure.

Edited July 28Jul 28 by MrFreeze

Anyone know when his contact is up? Surely would be under pressure to keep his position given the decline in our fitness since 2021 plus all the other off-field changes happening.

I’d be letting him go regardless of contract. We are so slow and unfit, change is absolutely needed.

I’d also be reading the riot act to the players over the off-season to come back in their best ever shape. The love in over last years off season review allowed them the autonomy of much of their pre-season training. Never again.

We need a hard [censored] for a coach and fitness boss, demanding pb’s in skin folds, sprint times and time trials. You don’t get in to the senior team until you achieve this.

we were in most games this year

i reckon our mental fragility was much more an issue than physical fitness

And he did keep us injury free and, on the park.

there are others that need to go before him

8 minutes ago, BDA said:

we were in most games this year

i reckon our mental fragility was much more an issue than physical fitness

And he did keep us injury free and, on the park.

there are others that need to go before him

I wonder if the physical and mental go hand in glove.

Interesting watch I guess.

3 minutes ago, rjay said:

I wonder if the physical and mental go hand in glove.

it was a big part of the Burgess mantra. belief that you were fitter and could outlast the opposition

Caro and others have said numerous times that he’ll be replaced in the off-season.

Hea great at injury prevention. Maybe a change of role?

On 27/07/2025 at 10:38, Demon Disciple said:

Yep, he can leave.

Yep Immediately, our fitness has been Suss all season! Another domino to fall.

32 minutes ago, rjay said:

I wonder if the physical and mental go hand in glove.

Interesting watch I guess.

Yes, I would be looking at the psychologist before Selwyn.

Edited August 24Aug 24 by chook fowler

15 hours ago, rjay said:

I wonder if the physical and mental go hand in glove.

Interesting watch I guess.

They absolutely do. When you're feeling fit and strong, you have more confidence, especially at the end of games. If you're not fit and strong, everything becomes 10x harder when you're tired, especially if you feel like you're just chasing tail. Suddenly composure goes out the window because just getting to the contest is a battle.

Supposed to share the Burgess philosophy but the evidence of the past four seasons is of declining impact. Selwyn needs to be part of the clean out.

On 27/07/2025 at 23:19, Adam The God said:

Problem for us is Selwyn is an injury management guy. And our injury list has been brilliant.

What we need is a new fitness coach.

Interesting observation if true. I'm interested to know how you know this.

16 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

I’d be letting him go regardless of contract. We are so slow and unfit, change is absolutely needed.

I’d also be reading the riot act to the players over the off-season to come back in their best ever shape. The love in over last years off season review allowed them the autonomy of much of their pre-season training. Never again.

We need a hard [censored] for a coach and fitness boss, demanding pb’s in skin folds, sprint times and time trials. You don’t get in to the senior team until you achieve this.

How do you know this?

16 hours ago, BDA said:

we were in most games this year

i reckon our mental fragility was much more an issue than physical fitness

And he did keep us injury free and, on the park.

there are others that need to go before him

Yeah we were in most games this year.

But we struggled to run out quarters, and games. We lost 4 times when leading at 3QT and lost 13 odd games when we were within striking distance at 3QT. So whilst we were indeed in most games, I reckon our poor fitness contributed to us only winning 7 of them.

15 hours ago, Dee Boys said:

Caro and others have said numerous times that he’ll be replaced in the off-season.

There’s an intimation from Caro and others with a new coach.

The soft cap with the FD makes a ‘clean out’ beyond ill advised - it’s impossible.

26 minutes ago, rpfc said:

There’s an intimation from Caro and others with a new coach.

The soft cap with the FD makes a ‘clean out’ beyond ill advised - it’s impossible.

Selwyn specifically, they’ve said.

I’m not just talking about vague sweeping statements of “mass change”.

57 minutes ago, pitmaster said:

Interesting observation if true. I'm interested to know how you know this.

That's Selwyn's background. Injury management.

Edited August 25Aug 25 by Adam The God

38 minutes ago, rpfc said:

There’s an intimation from Caro and others with a new coach.

The soft cap with the FD makes a ‘clean out’ beyond ill advised - it’s impossible.

Selwyn is out of contract, so replacing him will not make any impact to the soft cap.

Same as Williams.

I am not sure where the other assistants are at with contracts, except that Chaplin has a year to run.

Richardson also has a year to run, and will likely stay as his salary will be too much of a hit to the soft cap

58 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Yeah we were in most games this year.

But we struggled to run out quarters, and games. We lost 4 times when leading at 3QT and lost 13 odd games when we were within striking distance at 3QT. So whilst we were indeed in most games, I reckon our poor fitness contributed to us only winning 7 of them.

But if the games finished at half time, we would also have only won 7 games this season.

But fitness could have made a difference. In 2021 we trailed in 9 games at half time (including the gf) and only lost 4.