On 16/11/2023 at 14:05, whatwhat say what said:

@Pennant St Dee @dazzledavey36

what's the standard like in the wafl?

who was the last 'mature ager' to come out of the system?

Standard is okay, but salary cap kills it a little much bigger dollars in country footy

Tim Kelly probably the last mature recruit to really make an impact. Jack Buller taken in this year’s mid season draft played 1 game with Sydney before getting injured 

 

  On 17/11/2023 at 04:53, Demonland said:

 

...and?

Without having access to it I suspect they take Reid at 1 and offer MFC their future first for our pick 6

  On 17/11/2023 at 07:56, Older demon said:

Without having access to it I suspect they take Reid at 1 and offer MFC their future first for our pick 6

They're going to offer everyone their future first but the report is GWS are considering it at 7

There’s a lot more to recruiting that meets the eye. The top recruiters spend a great deal of their time on due diligence, interviewing the players they fancy, their families, coaches, school teachers etc in order to establish as thorough a profile of their target as possible. I don’t have that information but on what I’ve seen of his footy skills and prowess, I would be happy to see his name come up at pick 6 if that indeed, is our first pick on Monday night.

https://www.zerohanger.com/afl-draft-new-club-emerges-in-trade-chase-for-wa-young-gun-145741/

Probably won't make a difference, but for the sakes of our hopes of keeping Petty I hope Adelaide grab him.

  On 18/11/2023 at 20:21, Whispering_Jack said:

There’s a lot more to recruiting that meets the eye. The top recruiters spend a great deal of their time on due diligence, interviewing the players they fancy, their families, coaches, school teachers etc in order to establish as thorough a profile of their target as possible. I don’t have that information but on what I’ve seen of his footy skills and prowess, I would be happy to see his name come up at pick 6 if that indeed, is our first pick on Monday night.

Yes, we are told that. But it seems that process is gone through then the best footballer is picked. So, question: if Johnny from Wangaratta comes from a terrible family situation and wagged school is ranked equally in football terms with Nigel from Scotch college from an unblemished professional family and topped Latin, are you going with Johnny or Nigel? I think I'm going with Johnny as there should be more upside.

To their very great credit, some of our most outstanding players have come from extremely challenging backgrounds and, despite stumbles, have emerged really great people.

Clarko’s eleventh-hour play to bring Curtin to Arden St

Alastair Clarkson spent more than two hours at draft prospect Daniel Curtin’s home in Perth on Sunday as the North Melbourne coach makes one final push for the key defender.

Clarkson spent months scouting this year’s draft prospects during his mental health absence from coaching and has fallen in love with the polarising key defender from Claremont.

The Curtin call holds the key to the top 10 with the prospect of a dramatic live trade on draft night the biggest curveball in years.

The Kangaroos hold picks No.2 and No.3 and are still expected to secure midfielders Colby McKercher and Zane Duursma.

But the draft decisions shape as a test of the power balance at Arden St.

The Roos have made clear that despite Clarkson’s intricate knowledge of this year’s talent that new recruiting boss Will Thursfield and football boss Brady Rawlings would be the final arbiters of the cherished early picks.

Clarkson was in Perth for James Brayshaw’s wedding to Lisa Christie on Friday and used the visit to conduct a final assessment of Curtin’s go-home factor.

They have been texting each other regularly since the draft combine.

Rivals still expect Curtin to be overlooked by the Kangaroos, and reach Greater Western Sydney’s first pick (currently No.7.)
The Giants will not draft Curtin – they have a stacked backline – and will spend Monday afternoon assessing offers for that pick should Curtin remain on the board.

Concerns over Curtin’s consistency and the position he would play at AFL level are why he is slipping down the order.

West Coast has offered its future first-round selection while Adelaide has thrown up a swap of first-round picks, but the Giants would also want collateral from the Crows in next year’s draft.

The Eagles’ offer appears the most lucrative, particularly with a suite of elite midfielders at the top of next year’s draft.

If the Eagles finish last again next season and the Curtin trade is completed then the Giants would have turned Jacob Hopper into the No.1 pick at the 2024 draft.

That would mean the Eagles would miss out on access to a gun midfielder in 12 months time as the star power of Luke Shuey (retired), Elliott Yeo and Tim Kelly fades.

The conundrum for the Giants is they are in the premiership window and so it would be a bold call to pass up the opportunity to secure a ready-made gun who could help unlock a flag next year.

Curtin’s manager, Jason Dover, believes he can be a genuine key defender and was one of the best West Australian prospects in a long time.

Dover has made clear to clubs that Curtin is a generational talent who could wind up like Jeremy McGovern.

But the brutal truth on Curtin is that some recruiting experts believe he picks and chooses his moments on the field.

Curtin played as an inside midfielder and a key defender this year and some have likened him to Matthew Pavlich.

Others say he looks a nice type … and also point out as did Jarrod Brander who was drafted by West Coast at pick 13 in 2017 and delisted 22 games later.

There are fears Curtin is not capable of being a key defender or an inside midfielder at AFL level.

The Claremont kid would need to be an elite intercept mark, hard to beat one-on-one and a great kick – much like Darcy Moore is – to guarantee top-10 selection for one club.

Instead some clubs view him more as a third tall defender, and taking that player with an early pick appears risky.

But one expert said as much as they would not draft Curtin in the top three, North Melbourne needed Curtin more than another midfielder.

Hawthorn flew Curtin to Melbourne last week for a tour of its headquarters in what must be a whirlwind experience for the 18-year-old.

  On 19/11/2023 at 08:21, adonski said:

Clarko’s eleventh-hour play to bring Curtin to Arden St

Alastair Clarkson spent more than two hours at draft prospect Daniel Curtin’s home in Perth on Sunday as the North Melbourne coach makes one final push for the key defender.

Clarkson spent months scouting this year’s draft prospects during his mental health absence from coaching and has fallen in love with the polarising key defender from Claremont.

The Curtin call holds the key to the top 10 with the prospect of a dramatic live trade on draft night the biggest curveball in years.

The Kangaroos hold picks No.2 and No.3 and are still expected to secure midfielders Colby McKercher and Zane Duursma.

But the draft decisions shape as a test of the power balance at Arden St.

The Roos have made clear that despite Clarkson’s intricate knowledge of this year’s talent that new recruiting boss Will Thursfield and football boss Brady Rawlings would be the final arbiters of the cherished early picks.

Clarkson was in Perth for James Brayshaw’s wedding to Lisa Christie on Friday and used the visit to conduct a final assessment of Curtin’s go-home factor.

They have been texting each other regularly since the draft combine.

Rivals still expect Curtin to be overlooked by the Kangaroos, and reach Greater Western Sydney’s first pick (currently No.7.)
The Giants will not draft Curtin – they have a stacked backline – and will spend Monday afternoon assessing offers for that pick should Curtin remain on the board.

Concerns over Curtin’s consistency and the position he would play at AFL level are why he is slipping down the order.

West Coast has offered its future first-round selection while Adelaide has thrown up a swap of first-round picks, but the Giants would also want collateral from the Crows in next year’s draft.

The Eagles’ offer appears the most lucrative, particularly with a suite of elite midfielders at the top of next year’s draft.

If the Eagles finish last again next season and the Curtin trade is completed then the Giants would have turned Jacob Hopper into the No.1 pick at the 2024 draft.

That would mean the Eagles would miss out on access to a gun midfielder in 12 months time as the star power of Luke Shuey (retired), Elliott Yeo and Tim Kelly fades.

The conundrum for the Giants is they are in the premiership window and so it would be a bold call to pass up the opportunity to secure a ready-made gun who could help unlock a flag next year.

Curtin’s manager, Jason Dover, believes he can be a genuine key defender and was one of the best West Australian prospects in a long time.

Dover has made clear to clubs that Curtin is a generational talent who could wind up like Jeremy McGovern.

But the brutal truth on Curtin is that some recruiting experts believe he picks and chooses his moments on the field.

Curtin played as an inside midfielder and a key defender this year and some have likened him to Matthew Pavlich.

Others say he looks a nice type … and also point out as did Jarrod Brander who was drafted by West Coast at pick 13 in 2017 and delisted 22 games later.

There are fears Curtin is not capable of being a key defender or an inside midfielder at AFL level.

The Claremont kid would need to be an elite intercept mark, hard to beat one-on-one and a great kick – much like Darcy Moore is – to guarantee top-10 selection for one club.

Instead some clubs view him more as a third tall defender, and taking that player with an early pick appears risky.

But one expert said as much as they would not draft Curtin in the top three, North Melbourne needed Curtin more than another midfielder.

Hawthorn flew Curtin to Melbourne last week for a tour of its headquarters in what must be a whirlwind experience for the 18-year-old.

That’s interesting if true.

If Nth (Clarko) gets his way. Watson would fall to Dee’s. 

Clarko camped at his house.

The Eagles offering a future first.

Adelaide and other teams going hard to trade up.

But potentially North, Hawks, Dees and Giants passing, and those anonymous statements by recruiters are about as harsh as you get about a top 10 prospect. 

I suspect Clarko’s pitch is for an Eagles pick swap

  On 19/11/2023 at 12:35, DeeSpencer said:

Clarko camped at his house.

The Eagles offering a future first.

Adelaide and other teams going hard to trade up.

But potentially North, Hawks, Dees and Giants passing, and those anonymous statements by recruiters are about as harsh as you get about a top 10 prospect. 

Don't think I've ever seen such negative comments made public about a potential recruit in the lead up to the draft.

  On 19/11/2023 at 12:52, Nascent said:

Don't think I've ever seen such negative comments made public about a potential recruit in the lead up to the draft.

A big part of me hopes he comes out next year and tears the comp to shreds, just to stick it up all his doubters and prove that recruiting really is an in exact science.

I am tipping North picks Curtin. He will be a gun.

We may find Either Sanders or Watson available at our pick bit I think from 'expert intel' we will pick Windsor who will be able to move the ball very quickly into the forward line.

Our movement forward has been very slow causing no space for forwards to operate.

  On 19/11/2023 at 20:17, manny100 said:

Our movement forward has been very slow causing no space for forwards to operate.

I think this is more system-related than personnel-related. 

  On 19/11/2023 at 12:35, DeeSpencer said:

Clarko camped at his house.

The Eagles offering a future first.

Adelaide and other teams going hard to trade up.

But potentially North, Hawks, Dees and Giants passing, and those anonymous statements by recruiters are about as harsh as you get about a top 10 prospect. 

 

  On 19/11/2023 at 12:52, Nascent said:

Don't think I've ever seen such negative comments made public about a potential recruit in the lead up to the draft.

 

  On 19/11/2023 at 13:17, Demon Disciple said:

A big part of me hopes he comes out next year and tears the comp to shreds, just to stick it up all his doubters and prove that recruiting really is an in exact science.

Link to the comments please?

  On 19/11/2023 at 22:01, old55 said:

 

 

Link to the comments please?

I’m paraphrasing, but basically it was said that “some recruiters” feel he picks/chooses when he wants to apply himself and that his versatility is his weakness, as he has no real strengths in any one position (overhead marking, 1v1, kicking not real strengths), a Jack of all trades master of none type player.

Edited November 19, 20231 yr by Demon Disciple

he's gone from:

• certain pick 2 challenging as being equal to reid as pick 1
• top 5 certainty
• will inside the first 7 picks
• might slip to pick 10
• possibly still available about pick 13

still reckon north pick him

  On 19/11/2023 at 22:31, whatwhat say what said:

he's gone from:

• certain pick 2 challenging as being equal to reid as pick 1
• top 5 certainty
• will inside the first 7 picks
• might slip to pick 10
• possibly still available about pick 13

still reckon north pick him

If the draft was another week away, we might have been able to rookie him. 😉

  On 16/11/2023 at 12:02, Storm Boy said:

I would love to have Dan Curtin playing for Melbourne. However, I believe North Melbourne or Hawthorn will draft him. It's important to note that Griffin Logue won't be playing until the middle of next year and McKay has gone to Essendon. North Melbourne desperately need to draft key defenders. 

True, but he is not plugging the gap those two left.

  On 19/11/2023 at 22:01, old55 said:

 

 

Link to the comments please?

See adonski's post a few above yours.

  On 19/11/2023 at 13:17, Demon Disciple said:

 and prove that recruiting really is an in exact science.

But it's not.