2 weeks and Collingwoods first draft pick as compensation if Brayshaw retires

I think he should be suspended but sadly could see him getting off

The thing about ‘football actions’ is they impact either the ball, or the player in possession of the ball. He did neither in this case.

I simply can’t see how the AFL doesn’t want that action completely stripped from the game. Left the ground, had no impact on the play, turned a shoulder, created a concussion.

 

From a North supporting mate, who wants to see Maynard similarly banned.

He should be rubbed out for sure but it's not the main  story is it. That's how much did we miss Brayshaw and will the Lions do us all a favour and destroy the Pies in the G/F

who cares?! he needed to be sent off. other teams get the advantage of him not playing and we lose a key player 5 minutes into the game. ridiculously unfair

17 minutes ago, DubDee said:

who cares?! he needed to be sent off. other teams get the advantage of him not playing and we lose a key player 5 minutes into the game. ridiculously unfair

Now ..the send off rule might indeed need to be revisited.

If they had rightly been required to play play one short for 10 minutes then they would have had to change their gameplan and the previously disadvantaged team, having lost a key player  may have been able to restructure somewhat and get the game back on even terms. 

It has always made sense   but agreeing on the terms is difficult 

Edited September 7, 20231 yr by IRW

Anyone who says its purely a footy act needs to be sure in their own mind that Maynard would have turned, braced and leant his body weight and momentum into Brayshaws head if it had been a teamate there instead of Brayshaw.  The only answer is of course not.

Has to suspended for that for 3 to 4 weeks. Otrherwise its open season on players kicking the ball.

The ball had travelled past Maynard when he launched at Brayshaw.

It was not an attempt to smoother off the boot. 

The usual approach to a smoother in that case would be expected to be a vertical leap rather than a lunge at the player.

Contact was always going to be made by Maynard once he launched.

So the decision he made was sacrifice Brayshaw and save himself by bracing rather than turn it into a down the field free front on tackle which may not have lead to a head knock.

Must be a 3 or 4 week suspension.  Very bad look for the AFL.

May well have effected the result of the game.

Given Brayshaw's concussion history this could be very serious.

The accident excuse is total BS. You hit a person's property accidently you pay. You hit a player outside the rules accidently of the game you pay. Simple as that.

Was it really an accident?

 

To suggest that this was a football act after the recent history of head high hits and the AFL’s mantra of the head being sacrosanct is ridiculous. At best, Maynard was careless and that should be sufficient in the circumstances, to make it a three game suspension.

9 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Going to leave the AFL community in mass confusion if Maynard gets cleared.

I get that it was a football incident rather an off the ball act of thuggery, but he could be held accountable for a severe impact.

 

 

Agree, but thuggery, as in the old days, is not the issue anyway.

Its all about intent. and Impact. Careless at best, severe.  3 weeks. He jumps in the air in a straight line to Angus. What did he think was going to happen next.  Football act my a---e.

27 minutes ago, IRW said:

He should be rubbed out for sure but it's not the main  story is it. That's how much did we miss Brayshaw and will the Lions do us all a favour and destroy the Pies in the G/F

Pies are definitely beatable for sure after watching last night. Gaps in performance.  Lions must now be clear favourites and have all the weapons, as we had till injuries got us.

Impressed by Goodwins post match comments.  Cut no slack for maynard and told it like it is re: issues and intent.   AND emphasised the impact on Angus personally.

Some observations

the way the commentators - all unabashedly pro Collingwood - immediately commenced a defence of the action speaks volumes

the way mccrae and Maynard immediately mounted a defence speaks volumes

the way goodwin and co speaks volumes - very clear on what they thought 

the admission by daicos and others that Maynard plays close to the edge is a telling reminder of his intent 

viney’s response was telling - someone should have laid Maynard flat in a later passage

The mro is an ex Collingwood player who has proven incapable of consistency or logic

anyone thinking Maynard will be suspended isn’t reading the field of play. Media will be defending him. It’s a pity we can’t have a “no media comment” on these cases until they are adjudicated

a bigger question for me is why our club is so timid in its response on field (Viney excepted) and from the coach. They should be ropable

 

this plays into how we let Cox get away with what he does and how timid we are in public . It’s odd

 

i hope the club pursues this hard in the media and in the tribunal. I want this grub rubbed out 

Edited September 7, 20231 yr by Superunknown

8 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

Dirty dirty player. He will cop a fine for that - should be more.

That was a dog act by septic. And he doesn't have the excuse of spur of the moment...he knew what he was doing and kept doing it. No excuse. Still, Collingwood. Expect better ?

If the MRO deems it "Careless" (which they might as I don't believe Maynard intentionaly meant to hit him), it will be graded as "High Contact" with "High Impact" (as a best case) and that carries a two match suspension automatically. There is no way in hell they could get that downgraded on appeal. Worst case for Maynard it could be deemed "Severe Impact" as Brayshaw was momentarily knocked out and that's an automatic 3 matches PLUS a trip to the tribunal.

Judge for yourself: https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/document/2023/03/01/9c9bdc05-2377-4ffb-a8a0-885835edcaf1/2023-AFL-Tribunal-Guidelines.pdf

While they will argue he was going for a smother and try and pass it off as a "football incident", leaping at a player in this way at full speed and hitting them high like that in the head is just unforgivable in our current world where the AFL is (quite rightly) very concerned about CTE class actions that will at some point be coming. That and the fact we lost a player 5 minutes into the game which gave them a significant advantage

Unfortunately for Maynard I can't see how he will be playing in a GF if Collingwood gets there. This case is bigger than denying a kid a chance to play in a premiership team. 

Van Rooyen will get at least one week for his cheap shot (Intentional, HIgh Contact, Low Impct), but I could see how it might be two weeks as well if they deem it Medium Impact - which they very well might

In my mind he absolutely deserves to be suspended, and for weeks - and if he isn’t, the next player who does this will be.

If he isn’t suspended, it becomes entirely plausible that any player could launch themselves at the kicker, make a feeble attempt to smother, and then lay them out. No case to answer. The AFL cannot allow that precedent.

For what it’s worth, I feel the natural movement to protect yourself and the other player would be to press off them with your arms. If what Maynard did was merely a footy act we would see players getting knocked out cold this way every other game.

Edited September 7, 20231 yr by wisedog

22 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Some observations

the way the commentators - all unabashedly pro Collingwood - immediately commenced a defence of the action speaks volumes

anyone thinking Maynard will be suspended isn’t reading the field of play. Media will be defending him. It’s a pity we can’t have a “no media comment” on these cases until they are adjudicated

 

Waking up today has not done anything to assuage my anger about that

I dont plan on watching the pre-game, half time and post-game stuff on fox or 7 anymore - which I didn't last night from half time onwards out of disgust. The footy media is largely full of unlikeable characters. If im not at a game, then im watching the rest of the finals on mute. Ive seen people say they mute the games, throughout the years online, and thought it was a bit extreme, to lose that crowd atmosphere - but I think I understand now. Just want a pure visual footy experience without any of the verbal diarrhoea. Unsubscribed from every footy podcast too! haha. 

Edited September 7, 20231 yr by John Demonic

There’s an angle on The Age website from behind the goals…

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-finals-2023-collingwood-magpies-into-preliminary-final-brayden-maynard-faces-days-of-nerves-over-clash-20230907-p5e2xz.html

Maynard bunches up after the smoother. He just needed to put his hands out and push into a Brayshaw and both would have been fine. You can see he has the time, because Mitchell runs by in the same footage at speed and puts his hands up as the contact happens.

I think they should get Richardson, Dangerfield and Maynard to be interviewed by Danny Frawleys wife and daughter Danielle on TV!

To talk about how they are treating duty of care & CTE!

pack of hypocrites!

and Gil & Dillon & Christian!

Edited September 7, 20231 yr by D4Life
Extra point

Some great analysis in this thread. Maynard was clearly briefed prior to speaking to use the word football act. That was premeditated and no coincidence. This was designed to get in early and set the agenda. Media then piles in with same nonsense. Comments such as we can all agree there was no malice. Can we Maynard the only one who knows that. Players on report should just shut the you know what up. So sorry for Gus and Demons it was a major factor in result. If this had been May against Daicos totally different narrative but hey it only the Dees. Hope they break the player code and call Viney as a witness he first hand could attest to the intent. Loved Goodys words.

8 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Maynard is an animal he should get life

Or longer!

The only “footy act” in this piece of play was Gus kicking the ball. 

29 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

There’s an angle on The Age website from behind the goals…

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-finals-2023-collingwood-magpies-into-preliminary-final-brayden-maynard-faces-days-of-nerves-over-clash-20230907-p5e2xz.html

Maynard bunches up after the smoother. He just needed to put his hands out and push into a Brayshaw and both would have been fine. You can see he has the time, because Mitchell runs by in the same footage at speed and puts his hands up as the contact happens.

Correct, if Maynard didn't elect to turn his body and bump it would have been a down the field free kick and both players continuing on.  The moment he turned his body he elected to bump, he had a choice, he choose to turn his body and hit Brayshaw with his shoulder flush in the head.

Edited September 7, 20231 yr by drdrake

my god i am so angry. here we have a defenceless player with a history of concussion and the media are defending the bloke who knocked him out and potentially put him career in doubt. 

What else could he do?? literally anything but aim the point of his shoulder into his head. you smother with your arms. clumsily collide and fall down together. he deliberately collected him

The arrogance of collingwood just expecting to get their way