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PREGAME: SF vs Carlton

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  On 11/09/2023 at 10:56, At the break of Gawn said:

Not worthy of a new topic, however, would like to know if people think this group of players gets a bit of stage fright early in front of big hostile crowds at the G?

I know they’ve got Grand final experience (albeit at Optus) but it seems that whenever we play in front of a large MCG crowd against a another big Victorian team we start poorly.

Some recent examples:

Round 6: Richmond ANZAC eve - poor start

Round 13 - Collingwood KBD - poor start

Round 22 - Carlton - poor start

QF - Collingwood - poor start.

I know we had finals wins in 2018 but Geelong and Hawthorn crowds don’t have the same level of goading and intimidation as a Pies/Blues/Richmond crowd. 

I dont think its stagefright...or even choking....though ive noted before it certainly resembles it.

Its a poor game plan and understanding by the box.

Goodwin is being outclassed/outcoached. 

Thats nit to say hes not capable...just others are obviously better.

We aren't ready...  

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      On 11/09/2023 at 10:56, At the break of Gawn said:

    Not worthy of a new topic, however, would like to know if people think this group of players gets a bit of stage fright early in front of big hostile crowds at the G?

    I know they’ve got Grand final experience (albeit at Optus) but it seems that whenever we play in front of a large MCG crowd against a another big Victorian team we start poorly.

    Some recent examples:

    Round 6: Richmond ANZAC eve - poor start

    Round 13 - Collingwood KBD - poor start

    Round 22 - Carlton - poor start

    QF - Collingwood - poor start.

    I know we had finals wins in 2018 but Geelong and Hawthorn crowds don’t have the same level of goading and intimidation as a Pies/Blues/Richmond crowd. 

    Quite frankly we have poor starts in a lot of games, not just those on the big stage.

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      On 11/09/2023 at 10:56, At the break of Gawn said:

    Not worthy of a new topic, however, would like to know if people think this group of players gets a bit of stage fright early in front of big hostile crowds at the G?

    I know they’ve got Grand final experience (albeit at Optus) but it seems that whenever we play in front of a large MCG crowd against a another big Victorian team we start poorly.

    Some recent examples:

    Round 6: Richmond ANZAC eve - poor start

    Round 13 - Collingwood KBD - poor start

    Round 22 - Carlton - poor start

    QF - Collingwood - poor start.

    I know we had finals wins in 2018 but Geelong and Hawthorn crowds don’t have the same level of goading and intimidation as a Pies/Blues/Richmond crowd. 

    Our starts have been an issue full stop. The Roos smacked us early in front of a handful of people. 

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      On 11/09/2023 at 11:06, beelzebub said:

    I dont think its stagefright...or even choking....though ive noted before it certainly resembles it.

    Its a poor game plan and understanding by the box.

    Goodwin is being outclassed/outcoached. 

    Thats nit to say hes not capable...just others are obviously better.

    We aren't ready...  

    That’s an incorrect observation 

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    For some reason the idea of bringing Tomlinson into the team and playing May forward keeps coming to mind. It's left field, but all the other options are underwhelming....

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      On 11/09/2023 at 11:30, Bingo said:

    For some reason the idea of bringing Tomlinson into the team and playing May forward keeps coming to mind. It's left field, but all the other options are underwhelming....

    With Curnow out there it would be like giving them a five goal start. You don't break what's working to fix what isn't.

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      On 11/09/2023 at 11:44, bing181 said:

    With Curnow out there it would be like giving them a five goal start. You don't break what's working to fix what isn't.

    With McKay out this week I have more faith in Lever and Tomlinson doing a job on Curnow than our current forwardline functioning....or even taking a mark 

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      On 11/09/2023 at 11:06, beelzebub said:

    I dont think its stagefright...or even choking....though ive noted before it certainly resembles it.

    Its a poor game plan and understanding by the box.

    Goodwin is being outclassed/outcoached. 

    Thats nit to say hes not capable...just others are obviously better.

    We aren't ready...  

    what was 2021 and 3 consecutive years in the top 4 about bb? 🧐

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      On 11/09/2023 at 11:30, Bingo said:

    For some reason the idea of bringing Tomlinson into the team and playing May forward keeps coming to mind. It's left field, but all the other options are underwhelming....

    It's not the worst idea but too late in the season now.  Also Curnow is a gun and you can't risk him getting off the leash even for a quarter.   It really is quite frustrating that we have 4 forwards unavailable for this game from our list.  

      On 11/09/2023 at 11:30, Bingo said:

    For some reason the idea of bringing Tomlinson into the team and playing May forward keeps coming to mind. It's left field, but all the other options are underwhelming....

    I seem to recall May was a fwd pre AFL but he's made a real hash of the few set shots I've seen him take for us.

      On 11/09/2023 at 11:06, beelzebub said:

    I dont think its stagefright...or even choking....though ive noted before it certainly resembles it.

    Its a poor game plan and understanding by the box.

    Goodwin is being outclassed/outcoached. 

    Thats nit to say hes not capable...just others are obviously better.

    We aren't ready...  

    Not sure it is Goodwin being outclassed. The opportunities were there in both the third and fourth quarters. The Langdon advantage, Fritta missing from 30 metres out, Kozzie snap, TMac shank, etc. The gameplan and the effort were there.

    Then there are the four goals in the third that Collingwood scored. I've never seen our defence get done that easily. 

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    If Grundy isn’t played, then it reinforces the biggest trade blunder , he should have played against the pies over T Mac Io compete against Cameron & Cox and would have know their style.. must be played if you rolling the dice would you go with Grundy or Turner 

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      On 11/09/2023 at 12:14, Gawndy the Great said:

    So Gawn has been playing with a broken toe for a few months according to McClure. 

    Doesn’t seem to impact him. Maybe Maynard or Cox want to go around to his house and break a few more. “Football act” 🙄

    On Friday night,i'd like to see Max lead the boys to the place where Angus was felled,23 players form a circle,arm in arm.

    Tonight is for our Fallen Brother!

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      On 11/09/2023 at 12:30, Jack7 said:

    On Friday night,i'd like to see Max lead the boys to the place where Angus was felled,23 players form a circle,arm in arm.

    Tonight is for our Fallen Brother!

    Mate he's not dead..

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      On 11/09/2023 at 07:31, old dee said:

    Now here is a radical thought how about we win the first quarter?

    I'd prefer we win all the quarters. It doesn't happen much in competitive footy these days, but it would be nice.

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      On 11/09/2023 at 12:43, Gawndy the Great said:

    Could have been.

    But he didn't..

    We're here to win a a game of footy and our full attention on the night should be purely footy focus in beating Carlton on the night.

    Our season is hanging in the balance and Brayshaw and the coaching staff will not want to make it all about him on the night.

    Players mindset should be 100% focus on playing 4 quarters of footy.

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      On 11/09/2023 at 12:51, dazzledavey36 said:

    But he didn't..

    We're here to win a a game of footy and our full attention on the night should be purely footy focus in beating Carlton on the night.

    Our season is hanging in the balance and Brayshaw and the coaching staff will not want to make it all about him on the night.

    Players mindset should be 100% focus on playing 4 quarters of footy.

    Yes, agreed - pumping yourself full of emotion is exhausting and off-putting. Reset with a calm mind and quietly go about your business.

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      On 11/09/2023 at 12:51, dazzledavey36 said:

    But he didn't..

    We're here to win a a game of footy and our full attention on the night should be purely footy focus in beating Carlton on the night.

    Our season is hanging in the balance and Brayshaw and the coaching staff will not want to make it all about him on the night.

    Players mindset should be 100% focus on playing 4 quarters of footy.

    Agreed. The Maynard outrage will go on until at least Thursday via appeal (unless he gets off tomorrow), so the coaches have a real task on their hands to get the team focused on the right things. Carlton will be licking their lips at all of this you'd think.

    Injured, distracted, hurting, deflated. Terrible preparation to face a team that's lost 1 game in 3 months, just coming off their biggest win in 10 years.

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      On 11/09/2023 at 12:57, fr_ap said:

    Agreed. The Maynard outrage will go on until at least Thursday via appeal (unless he gets off tomorrow), so the coaches have a real task on their hands to get the team focused on the right things. Carlton will be licking their lips at all of this you'd think.

    Injured, distracted, hurting, deflated. Terrible preparation to face a team that's lost 1 game in 3 months, just coming off their biggest win in 10 years.

    This is actually one of my concerns going into the game with the emotional toll it'll have on the players.

    Goodwin has got the big task of getting the players focus back on track ahead of Carlton.

    Carlton meanwhile are just quietly going about their business with all the momentum going there way.

    I hope we're ready.

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