23 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Harley is all about Harley.

Talent only gets you so far.

At this stage of his career is a poorly disciplined player. Gets sucked in too easy with niggle and loses composure. Last season gave up the most free kicks ever for a WC player in a game. 

3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Adam Simpson said he doesn't do the extra little things that are needed to be a top player.

 

yet. which he also said is quite typical for young footballers. He mentioned the likes of N Daicos and W Ashcroft are more the exception that the norm and that he will come around. 

Just shows that he may night be the brightest fella. He will still be a great footballer and i think will end up pushing past N Daicos and W Ashcroft.

6 hours ago, Roost it far said:

It’s going to be ludicrous sums. I’m not sure you can build a team like that. I wonder what Jackson will cost us if he and Pickett agree to trade places.

He’ll probably end up going to Geelong for $400k because of the “climate”

1 hour ago, Garbo said:

Means players need to be traded, I’d guess jvr and Pickett would have to be involved 

There is no way we trade our only key forward 

40 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Adam Simpson said he doesn't do the extra little things that are needed to be a top player.

 

Neither did our 3 best players at the start of their careers. 

Breaking news of shock move to Victoria for Reid

Media speak for - there is zero news

"Essendon makes the most sense for him"

why, so he can never play finals? 

They just get worse and worse

14 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

Harley is all about Harley.

Talent only gets you so far.

Yes, that is my reservation; just not sure he is a 'team' first player. 

And we now have Langford; not quite in the same class as Harley but potentially just as valuable.

This year will tell us a lot about his character.

While i thought Harley was the best junior i had seen, his likely cost of $2m a season and probably 2 or more first rounders plus players, could really unsettle the club he goes to if he leaves.

Question: How much better incrementally, will Reid be than our Langford next season?

I am now of the view that it will be all the eggs in one basket, going after him and would be detrimental overall, to a continued developing of our list and improving culture.

Maybe not as good as Harley, but there will be good players to be found each year without the massive cost to the list.

Edited March 12Mar 12 by Redleg

13 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Yes, that is my reservation; just not sure he is a 'team' first player. 

And we now have Langford; not quite in the same class as Harley but potentially just as valuable.

This year will tell us a lot about his character.

We seem to have the same thoughts, as you posted as I was typing.

Harley is sh*t*

 

** Would have him in a heartbeat

15 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

Harley is all about Harley.

Talent only gets you so far.

You're just jealous DD, because his girlfriend is from Foster and not Fish Creek.

(Just a little South Gippsland byplay folks)

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

While i thought Harley was the best junior i had seen, his likely cost of $2m a season and probably 2 or more first rounders plus players, could really unsettle the club he goes to if he leaves.

Question: How much better incrementally, will Reid be than our Langford next season?

I am now of the view that it will be all the eggs in one basket, going after him and would be detrimental overall, to a continued developing of our list and improving culture.

Maybe not as good as Harley, but there will be good players to be found each year without the massive cost to the list.

In retrospect didn't the dees end up offering what would have been  4 x 1st rounders for him? ( given where we finished last year) . If so thats an offer they will never get again and are no doubt regretting not taking as much as I am glad it didnt happen. We dont need saviours....and we've been down that track too many times. 

Edited March 13Mar 13 by Wells 11

I think a lot of people here are being extremely harsh on a young player who has faced more scrutiny than just about any player ever.

He’s an absolute gun, who like Dusty is learning about the requirements to reach his ceiling. 
 

Its been rumoured he doesn’t like training but having spoken to some at West Coast he’s a very good trainer who works hard but just needs and wants to learn more about the preparation side of things 

Harley reminds me of Adam Cooney and Dusty Martin when they first entered the system.

Huge reality shock in terms of the intensity and professionalism of AFL and how much work you need to put in to be a consistent player. He's a country lad who had a pretty laid back personality and yes that can come across as lazy, but that's just how he is.

He came back in poor shape this pre season which is normal for 2nd year players because they're still adjusting to diets and training habits.

He will be fine, he will tear this competition apart once he hits the 90-130 game mark.

18 hours ago, 58er said:

Adams says hi! 

Never ceases to amaze me that D/Lers always want to go and get a certain player for a position or instead of another player we are developing. 

Realise that some ready made trades are necessary to top up high draft picks or other lower draft picks as they develop.

But  some fans can’t wait and all the time want trades irrespective. It can’t work out like Geelong or as the Pies are copying now. 

That's one player, who from all reports is going 'okay' but not banging down the door. If he doesn't turn out, who is next?

My issue was that we haven't drafted any other key tall defenders, even rookie projects. If Adams doesn't turn out then we are stuffed when May is gone.

1 hour ago, Pennant St Dee said:

He’s an absolute gun, who like Dusty is learning about the requirements to reach his ceiling. 
 

Its been rumoured he doesn’t like training but having spoken to some at West Coast he’s a very good trainer who works hard but just needs and wants to learn more about the preparation side of things 

Apparently he enjoys the actual training, as in on the green stuff, but doesn't enjoy all the little extras that the pros do.  Some call all that extra stuff training too and consider it super important to ever maximise your potential.  I suspect it will come in time.

2 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

I think a lot of people here are being extremely harsh on a young player who has faced more scrutiny than just about any player ever.

No one is saying he is not a fantastic player, but rather that the overall cost of getting him and keeping him may be too high and not the best thing for our list.

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

No one is saying he is not a fantastic player, but rather that the overall cost of getting him and keeping him may be too high and not the best thing for our list.

I don't think he's worth the trade, that wasn't my point. I think there have been a few comments about his personality and attitude which have been pretty unfair.

14 minutes ago, Gator said:

Apparently he enjoys the actual training, as in on the green stuff, but doesn't enjoy all the little extras that the pros do.  Some call all that extra stuff training too and consider it super important to ever maximise your potential.  I suspect it will come in time.

Yes I think it will to

23 hours ago, Go Ds said:

J Christ and C Kent

Only Geelong can deliver the third-party deals to recruit the former, and only Essendon has the 'resources' to create the latter.

 

20 hours ago, Redleg said:

Adam Simpson said he doesn't do the extra little things that are needed to be a top player.

Personally I would prefer to imagine he is doing everything flawlessly already and is at his ceiling. Because if he is at the 'Gary Ablett Jr before 2007' stage of his career and performing at the level he is now, the prospect of how he goes when he not only has the preseasons accumulated to let his body deliver on his play style, and also the professionalism fully clicks in, is apocalyptic.

At this stage he looks like being solidly West Coast's no 1 player in his second season. He will likely lead the club for disposals, contested possessions, clearances, tackles, in50s, and bounces, and be in the top few for metres gained, score involvements and tackles inside 50.

Some amazing posts in this thread. 

Watch the game from last year when he made our Midfield look C grade at best. The kid is a gun, if he wants to come back to Victoria we should be doing everything to get him in a Demon Jumper 

11 hours ago, Palace Dees said:

You're just jealous DD, because his girlfriend is from Foster and not Fish Creek.

(Just a little South Gippsland byplay folks)

I bet she wishes she’s from Fishy. Even the Duursma’s secretly dreamed of playing for the mighty FCFNC.

9 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Watch the game from last year when he made our Midfield look C grade at best. The kid is a gun, if he wants to come back to Victoria we should be doing everything to get him in a Demon Jumper 

no question… but the question coming back is what’s  the limit of how far we go re trading players and salary?