20 hours ago, Sydney_Demon said:

Yes, but only if you're in the top 70% of salary rankings for players of similar experience. Ultimately it would depend on how much another team might pay him. I'd suspect we'd get no compensation.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trades-2020-free-agency-compensation-formula-how-does-it-work-brad-crouch-adelaide-st-kilda-free-agents-details/news-story/538e998849aa96d921d7da512ff8793e

Jayden Hunt moved to West Coast last year as an UFA and we got a 3rd Round Pick (52 at the time) as compensation.  

Thanks.

On 7/20/2023 at 6:40 AM, Gorgoroth said:

If we breached it, but May went into the game injured. Take him off toward the end. No one would have been able to prove anything different. We have scans of his torn hammy. We were protecting the fact he may have torn it off the bone in essentially by that stage a dead game.

I'm with ya. Just a crappy situation. Glad the rule has changed now though for everyone else

1 hour ago, Tracca said:

I'm with ya. Just a crappy situation. Glad the rule has changed now though for everyone else

Victim of a crud rule.

Evidence that the league's flippant nature ia damaging.

As far as I can tell Jordon has played predominantly as a central midfielder over the past two weeks, for 11 possessions on each occasion.

For all the talk about the lack of opportunities that James received earlier in the season, he has been given a massive opportunity here and he has been very disappointing. 

He simply doesn't impact centre bounces in any way, and he was clearly opposed to Martin for a number of Richmond's clean centre breaks early in the game. He is clearly not an instinctive player, and you can see the wheels turning every time he receives a handpass or a short kick and is required to make a split second decision.

Given his lack of improvement over the past three years, I see Jordon as handy depth but not someone I'd be rushing out to resign if he gets offers elsewhere. I think we can replace him through the draft pretty easily if required.

 

6 minutes ago, poita said:

As far as I can tell Jordon has played predominantly as a central midfielder over the past two weeks, for 11 possessions on each occasion.

For all the talk about the lack of opportunities that James received earlier in the season, he has been given a massive opportunity here and he has been very disappointing. 

He simply doesn't impact centre bounces in any way, and he was clearly opposed to Martin for a number of Richmond's clean centre breaks early in the game. He is clearly not an instinctive player, and you can see the wheels turning every time he receives a handpass or a short kick and is required to make a split second decision.

Given his lack of improvement over the past three years, I see Jordon as handy depth but not someone I'd be rushing out to resign if he gets offers elsewhere. I think we can replace him through the draft pretty easily if required.

 

Agree, this was his chance to show his worth and he just doesn't provide something we can't get from someone else that has more upside.

13 minutes ago, poita said:

As far as I can tell Jordon has played predominantly as a central midfielder over the past two weeks, for 11 possessions on each occasion.

But what was his role? Was he tagging for example?

 

Just now, Robbie87 said:

But what was his role? Was he tagging for example?

 

If he was against the Toiges then even more reason to let him go

20 minutes ago, poita said:

As far as I can tell Jordon has played predominantly as a central midfielder over the past two weeks, for 11 possessions on each occasion.

For all the talk about the lack of opportunities that James received earlier in the season, he has been given a massive opportunity here and he has been very disappointing. 

He simply doesn't impact centre bounces in any way, and he was clearly opposed to Martin for a number of Richmond's clean centre breaks early in the game. He is clearly not an instinctive player, and you can see the wheels turning every time he receives a handpass or a short kick and is required to make a split second decision.

Given his lack of improvement over the past three years, I see Jordon as handy depth but not someone I'd be rushing out to resign if he gets offers elsewhere. I think we can replace him through the draft pretty easily if required.

 

just too slow in body and mind, and not damaging by hand or foot to compensate.

great depth but hes not best 22 and thats alright, but he has to decide if he stays and fills a depth role or goes and try and be best 22 elsewhere

Edited August 1, 20231 yr by BangBnagBang

Will be the core of Essendons VFL team with Harmes

any update on Sparrow - I thought he was just a 1 week injury. If so would probably replace JJ. Disappointed for him because he was going well until dropped so I wonder if it is a confidence issue.

His leg of speed is ultimately the issue. He is a meat and potatoes midfielder who will go on to have a good career in a midfield that needs pure inside extractors.

Unfortunately at Melbourne he is competing with A+ inside extractors like Clarry and Viney, and he is a C+ player. He also doesn't have the speed or kicking penetration of Sparrow, who is extremely underrated for what he brings to us.

Injuries have opened the door for him, but unfortunately he hasn't done anything to suggest that we should tweak our first choice set up to accommodate him. 

JVR and McVee have both been able to dislodge senior players to stay in the side. Unfortunately JJ just hasn't done enough.

I like him and he would be great depth, but it's completely understandable if he wants to be more than that elsewhere, just as it is completely understandable that he can't be a first choice midfielder for us right now. 

28 minutes ago, poita said:

As far as I can tell Jordon has played predominantly as a central midfielder over the past two weeks, for 11 possessions on each occasion.

For all the talk about the lack of opportunities that James received earlier in the season, he has been given a massive opportunity here and he has been very disappointing. 

He simply doesn't impact centre bounces in any way, and he was clearly opposed to Martin for a number of Richmond's clean centre breaks early in the game. He is clearly not an instinctive player, and you can see the wheels turning every time he receives a handpass or a short kick and is required to make a split second decision.

Given his lack of improvement over the past three years, I see Jordon as handy depth but not someone I'd be rushing out to resign if he gets offers elsewhere. I think we can replace him through the draft pretty easily if required.

 

He attended 15 of the 39 center bounces, and clearly has moved to a tagging role over the last 4 weeks - he was mostly on Neale from the Lions and kept him to 19 touches. Given he was the youngest mid we had in bounces (JVR and Pickett don't count), he's still learning and realistically at the moment he'd be our number 8 or 9 mid - including the wingers where he's played in the past. If he was still the same aged 25 and with 100 games you'd worry, but he's still developing and would provide decent depth, if Oliver and Sparrow come back in I'd say he'll be back at Casey. 

5 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Will be the core of Essendons VFL team with Harmes

If JJ & Harmes were a bit older then Jeelong ("Old Dads Cats") would be interested

8 minutes ago, Hardley Benial said:

If JJ & Harmes were a bit older then Jeelong ("Old Dads Cats") would be interested

That's a very good joke, we should keep doing it annually. 😇

Wing suits him best

On 7/19/2023 at 1:39 PM, Diamond_Jim said:

He's number 1 on the depth list at present. How do you retain such a player?

The same conundrum as Bedford/Chandler at the end of last season.

 

Agreed, he is a talent almost ready to settle into a more dynamic midfield role - from which Tracca will be re-allocated to the forward line (most of the time). I rue the moment that Bedford left as he was potentially potent and would not like to see JJ move elsewhere now that he is tasting his role in a series of successful games, and adjusting to his role, accordingly. FFS, he is a cog in what many observers see as the best midfield going. He's not a Clarrie, he's not a Tracca but he is better, by far, than what most other teams are fronting and maintaining. He's a learner and already is becoming a regular. 

On 7/20/2023 at 7:35 AM, Redleg said:

He is not a “great” player, he is a good player and as much as I am a fan, that is the problem. He is behind some great players.

Even if Harmes, Dunstan and Laurie go, who are all behind him, freeing up some cap space, that is probably not the answer as it’s about playing regularly.

 I would move on ANB and Spargo to give him more opportunity, but that won’t happen.

 

Part of JJs problem is he has no weapon and struggles at half forward.

ANB is a powerhouse runner (his weapon) and Spargo is a good runner with elite ball use (his weapon). 

It won't happen mate because it shouldn't.

7 hours ago, poita said:

As far as I can tell Jordon has played predominantly as a central midfielder over the past two weeks, for 11 possessions on each occasion.

For all the talk about the lack of opportunities that James received earlier in the season, he has been given a massive opportunity here and he has been very disappointing. 

He simply doesn't impact centre bounces in any way, and he was clearly opposed to Martin for a number of Richmond's clean centre breaks early in the game. He is clearly not an instinctive player, and you can see the wheels turning every time he receives a handpass or a short kick and is required to make a split second decision.

Given his lack of improvement over the past three years, I see Jordon as handy depth but not someone I'd be rushing out to resign if he gets offers elsewhere. I think we can replace him through the draft pretty easily if required.

 

Not quite, he played half half forward and half middle against Adelaide (11 CBAs) and it was similar again on Sunday (15 CBAs from a possible 39).

7 hours ago, BangBnagBang said:

just too slow in body and mind, and not damaging by hand or foot to compensate.

He has no weapons that set him apart from other average footballers and that’s his problem. A good honest footballer that is suffering from our premiership push

I personally feel JJ gets marked pretty hard around here. Sure he’s not a super star and he probably lacks a real weapon but he does most things pretty well. The one thing I would like to see him do is get quicker at making decisions when he has the ball. 
 

His stats last year stack up pretty well against Hunters this year. 
 

             LH                          JJ

dis        22                          20

DE        66                          79

KE        57                          73

MG       399                       331

I50        3.9                        2.7

I personally would rather have JJ at the club over Hunter but JJ leaving is not going to be the end of the world. I hope Rivers takes one wing permanently next year and that Howes and Bowey are fighting hard for the other wing. 

1 hour ago, A F said:

Part of JJs problem is he has no weapon and struggles at half forward.

ANB is a powerhouse runner (his weapon) and Spargo is a good runner with elite ball use (his weapon). 

It won't happen mate because it shouldn't.

I have resigned myself to the likelihood he is going.

Dunstan likely won't be retained, and it is plausible to think Harmesy will be looking for more regular playing time and a contract extension elsewhere.

If the aforementioned players are playing elsewhere, and Jordon leaves via free agency we are looking very thin for depth when injuries occur.

I wouldn't blame Jordon for looking elsewhere, but there is a role to play at the dees for him if he is willing to sit on the fringe and take opportunities when they are presented.

On 8/1/2023 at 6:40 PM, A F said:

Part of JJs problem is he has no weapon and struggles at half forward.

ANB is a powerhouse runner (his weapon) and Spargo is a good runner with elite ball use (his weapon). 

It won't happen mate because it shouldn't.

You had me convinced until the “Spargo with elite ball use” line.  

On 8/1/2023 at 5:53 PM, Deemania since 56 said:

Agreed, he is a talent almost ready to settle into a more dynamic midfield role - from which Tracca will be re-allocated to the forward line (most of the time). I rue the moment that Bedford left as he was potentially potent and would not like to see JJ move elsewhere now that he is tasting his role in a series of successful games, and adjusting to his role, accordingly. FFS, he is a cog in what many observers see as the best midfield going. He's not a Clarrie, he's not a Tracca but he is better, by far, than what most other teams are fronting and maintaining. He's a learner and already is becoming a regular. 

Yes - thank you