Farewell James Harmes

[WERRIDEE 5,218]

12 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Pick in the 30s is fair for Harmes. 38 would work. He’s 28 and has played over 150 games. He struggled this year due to personal reasons which saw him away from the club and football for a period of time. He’s not some no name who can’t play. He’d be in nearly every clubs best 22. I’d rather keep him as depth as he wouldn’t be on a big contract now, but if he wants to leave then pick 38 is fine.

I think it will be more likely pick 46.

[old55 21,361]

13 hours ago, Redleg said:

Maybe it’s a F2nd, if they need 38 this year.

Can't be a F2nd because the Dogs already traded their F1st to GC. They can trade their F4th due to revised AFL rules.

I think it needs to be a pick this year. They're in a tight spot for picks to cover Croft and make trades. 

I wonder if they are trading anyone out?

[Travy14 1,508]

1 hour ago, WERRIDEE said:

No not needed we will only have one or 2 draft picks then. Tomlinson and Schache as required players baffles me. Doesn't give us much to play with.

McAdam for Jordon's pick and Fullerton for Harmes pick. Rookie Melksham. That leaves with Grundy's pick, pick 13, 26, 34 which we can package for pick for pick 10. In the draft we have picks 5 and 10 and K.Brown as a late pick and we'll have 1 rookie pick.

We lose,

:Hibbard, Grundy, Harmes, JJ, Dunstan and Smith.

We absolutely need to bring in some AFL standard players.  We Currently have 6 spots to Fill.

 With Fullarton and McAdam coming in it's 4 Spots.  If we top up from the draft too much we won't have any depth which we are seriously lacking in our midfield atm.

We really need a solid midfield cover of this standard.  

[dee-tox 4,827]

1 minute ago, Travy14 said:

We lose,

:Hibbard, Grundy, Harmes, JJ, Dunstan and Smith.

We absolutely need to bring in some AFL standard players.  We Currently have 6 spots to Fill.

 With Fullarton and McAdam coming in it's 4 Spots.  If we top up from the draft too much we won't have any depth which we are seriously lacking in our midfield atm.

We really need a solid midfield cover of this standard.  

True, but personally I like the blooding of kids like McVee, Woewodin, JvR, etc. Add Howes to that next year.

[WERRIDEE 5,218]

2 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

We lose,

:Hibbard, Grundy, Harmes, JJ, Dunstan and Smith.

We absolutely need to bring in some AFL standard players.  We Currently have 6 spots to Fill.

 With Fullarton and McAdam coming in it's 4 Spots.  If we top up from the draft too much we won't have any depth which we are seriously lacking in our midfield atm.

We really need a solid midfield cover of this standard.  

It’s only 3 senior spots and 1 rookie that’s gonna be taken by draft picks absolute no to McLean we don’t need a solid Casey midfield our draft picks can cover that along with Howes, Laurie and Woewodin 

[Travy14 1,508]

7 minutes ago, dee-tox said:

True, but personally I like the blooding of kids like McVee, Woewodin, JvR, etc. Add Howes to that next year.

You blood the for sure, but if they aren't at the level for midfield at AFL level then they aren't ready.

You need that cover just in case, we have had it with JJ, Harmes and Dunstan.  Big Hole with them gone

[Travy14 1,508]

3 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

It’s only 3 senior spots and 1 rookie that’s gonna be taken by draft picks absolute no to McLean we don’t need a solid Casey midfield our draft picks can cover that along with Howes, Laurie and Woewodin 

Yup, so we are hoping that Laurie and Woewodin are going to become a lot better.  And Hoping that draft picks can walk into the best midfield in the comp at 18.

It doesn't have to be McLean, but I think we need a player of that standard to cover the loss of JJ, Harmes and Dunstan.  It's a big hole, I don't care if they never play am AFL game for the dees.   Just the coverage that you can rely on.

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2 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

You blood the for sure, but if they aren't at the level for midfield at AFL level then they aren't ready.

You need that cover just in case, we have had it with JJ, Harmes and Dunstan.  Big Hole with them gone

Dunstan didn’t play a game. Harmes was woeful while JJ struggled. I don't think it's a big hole at all.

[Mach5 4,482]

13 minutes ago, dee-tox said:

Dunstan didn’t play a game. Harmes was woeful while JJ struggled. I don't think it's a big hole at all.

Maybe a hole at Casey.

[Travy14 1,508]

12 minutes ago, dee-tox said:

Dunstan didn’t play a game. Harmes was woeful while JJ struggled. I don't think it's a big hole at all.

Yes but there was no one else that can play the midfielder role.  So we don't replace them and we are going even further down in the talent pool.

I have high hopes for Laurie and Howes but they aren't at that level yet

[Travy14 1,508]

1 minute ago, Mach5 said:

Maybe a hole at Casey.

Thats my whole point, we aren't looking at someone to come into the AFL side

[jumbo returns 6,493]

Wonder what happened to Harmes?

He used to be best 22...

[spirit of norm smith 13,024]

38 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

We lose,

:Hibbard, Grundy, Harmes, JJ, Dunstan and Smith.

Yes four of these played a decent amount of top up games this year 

JJ 18, Grundy 17 , Hibbo 12, Harmes 9 

Assume club looking at Laurie , Woey jnr, Howes as players to fulfill the depth positions held by Dunstan, Harmes and JJ.  

 

[Travy14 1,508]

7 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes four of these played a decent amount of top up games this year 

JJ 18, Grundy 17 , Hibbo 12, Harmes 9 

Assume club looking at Laurie , Woey jnr, Howes as players to fulfill the depth positions held by Dunstan, Harmes and JJ.  

 

I hope they do, but based on this year we can't rely on them.  Think we need a proven AFL standard midfielder as back up.  Not a star, not a B22 player, someone that is good enough at AFL level if called up

[Little Goffy 12,657]

15 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

We lose,

:Hibbard, Grundy, Harmes, JJ, Dunstan and Smith.

We absolutely need to bring in some AFL standard players.  We Currently have 6 spots to Fill.

 With Fullarton and McAdam coming in it's 4 Spots.  If we top up from the draft too much we won't have any depth which we are seriously lacking in our midfield atm.

We really need a solid midfield cover of this standard.  

I was irked and began looking back over premiership teams which had topped up from the draft just prior.

A couple of obvious winners were Cyril Rioli and Joel Selwood.

Then I realised; Jackson, Rivers, Pickett + Bowey.

Except for out tragically wounded forward line we aren't too bad for depth and I'd suggest any mature top-4 team which had a pick roughly every eight selections up to pick forty (5, 13, 26, 34, 40) would be and should be laughing.

I don't think there's ever been a top-4 side with a draft hand that strong.

 

[Travy14 1,508]

10 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

I was irked and began looking back over premiership teams which had topped up from the draft just prior.

A couple of obvious winners were Cyril Rioli and Joel Selwood.

Then I realised; Jackson, Rivers, Pickett + Bowey.

Except for out tragically wounded forward line we aren't too bad for depth and I'd suggest any mature top-4 team which had a pick roughly every eight selections up to pick forty (5, 13, 26, 34, 40) would be and should be laughing.

I don't think there's ever been a top-4 side with a draft hand that strong.

 

Not too often top 4 sides select more than 3-4 players in the draft either.

Think we are going hard for pick 10 too, which will soak up a couple of those picks

[Mach5 4,482]

28 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Wonder what happened to Harmes?

He used to be best 22...

He got figured out. Didn’t add any strings to his bow. Honest trier but not much more.

[Jaded No More 58,279]

2 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Pick in the 30s is fair for Harmes. 38 would work. He’s 28 and has played over 150 games. He struggled this year due to personal reasons which saw him away from the club and football for a period of time. He’s not some no name who can’t play. He’d be in nearly every clubs best 22. I’d rather keep him as depth as he wouldn’t be on a big contract now, but if he wants to leave then pick 38 is fine.

If McKay is worth pick 3, Harmes is worth pick 4 🙄😂

[spirit of norm smith 13,024]

40 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

I hope they do, but based on this year we can't rely on them.  Think we need a proven AFL standard midfielder as back up.  Not a star, not a B22 player, someone that is good enough at AFL level if called up

Maybe look at a train on player over the summer (such as Xavier O’Neill from WCE) and they would be the “injury replacement” for Melksham, who’s likely to be out until at least round 20-21 next year.  

[Redleg 37,750]

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

If McKay is worth pick 3, Harmes is worth pick 4 🙄😂

If Harmes can find a suitor, we can probably expect 4, plus a 0 .

Hopefully he can be offered a reasonable contract by another club and have a good rest of AFL career.

 

Edited October 10, 2023 by Redleg

[Lord Travis 10,184]

49 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

If McKay is worth pick 3, Harmes is worth pick 4 🙄😂

Should've sent Tomlinson to North for pick 2 when we had the chance 😆

[Gawndy the Great 7,518]

Harmes will be kidding himself if he thinks he'll get in the 22 of the Doggies, he is even less of a chance their. 

[Travy14 1,508]

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Maybe look at a train on player over the summer (such as Xavier O’Neill from WCE) and they would be the “injury replacement” for Melksham, who’s likely to be out until at least round 20-21 next year.  

Still need the list spot though.

Id say McAdam is the coverage for Melk.

Train on players are no good, they aren't good enough to be on lists, and if you can't make West Coast's list as a 23yo then I'd pass on that.

Have a look at the other top 4 next in midfielders.

Brisbane - Lyons, Matheson

Coll - Lipinski, Knoble 

Port - Narkle, Boak

These guys aren't Best 22 players but if needed are up to the standard to fill the rotation.  Port are in a simmilar position to us and need more depth with Boak almost done and possibly Duursma out the door.

Do we have any long term injuries atm? If we do then we could look at one of those SSP positions.

Edited October 10, 2023 by Travy14

[spirit of norm smith 13,024]

Doesn’t Melksham qualify as a long term injury?  I think a train on player and SSP pickup might be the mature midfielder backup you’re referring to. Also Markov wasn’t good enough at Suns and now is a premiership player.  Sometimes the environment change can be the thing that makes a youngster. 

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