Farewell James Harmes

[dazzledavey36 52,603]

Straight swap for Hollands thanks.

[Rossmillan 585]

Melbourne supporter, come premiership player.  In his prime at 27.

No player is perfect, I get players have limitations but at his best can offer something.

Its a no from me if a 2nd or 3rd rounder is the only offer, would rather keep, unless he wants to leave, in which case I would honour his wishes.

[Demon Disciple 11,592]

15 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Up to 8 changes?

Known out the door for unknown?

I’d rather we try and change the list when it’s not up to scratch than just sticking our heads in the sand.

Besides which one of Harmes, Grundy, Hibberd, Laurie, Jordon, Dunstan, D Smith and Brown would you consider as indispensable? 

[Deebauched 1,220]

Not getting any younger at 28?

Surprised other clubs are interested. Its amazing what a Premiership can do for your CV.

Dont mind if he sticks around unless hes tradeable for a decent medium forward.

Definitely trade Jordon.

Brown Tmac retire please. Sadly Melksham too  unless Goodwin wants him to stay. Good role border to have around.

 

[Slartibartfast 16,816]

13 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Straight swap for Hollands thanks.

Fullerton?

[58er 5,866]

5 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

Fullerton?

Fullerton is Lions and Holland's was BOG in Suns VFL premiership yesterday. 

[58er 5,866]

7 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

Fullerton?

Holland's BOG in VFL Suns Premiership yesterday . 

[Demonstone 21,629]

15 minutes ago, Deebauched said:

Definitely trade Jordon.

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but Jordon is a free agent.

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

The reason why we want to trade Harmes out surely is because he's not in our Top 23 now and is a free agent next year. We'd get more for him now and he'd get more certainty and guaranteed game time elsewhere. In both the Club's and his best interests. 

[Bates Mate 4,421]

24 minutes ago, Rossmillan said:

Melbourne supporter, come premiership player.  In his prime at 27.

No player is perfect, I get players have limitations but at his best can offer something.

Its a no from me if a 2nd or 3rd rounder is the only offer, would rather keep, unless he wants to leave, in which case I would honour his wishes.

Not best 22 certainly , but good depth . Definately would have preferred him over Laurie  and Jordon in the finals this year if he was fit 

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

3 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but Jordon is a free agent.

Only about a million times. I know posters have varying opinions on Jordon but the considerations are totally different for a free agent and a contracted player.  

[BW511 2,561]

18 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

The reason why we want to trade Harmes out surely is because he's not in our Top 23 now and is a free agent next year. We'd get more for him now and he'd get more certainty and guaranteed game time elsewhere. In both the Club's and his best interests. 

I’m not sure he gets guaranteed game time anywhere

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

4 minutes ago, Bates Mate said:

Not best 22 certainly , but good depth . Definately would have preferred him over Laurie  and Jordon in the finals this year if he was fit 

Look at it from his perspective. He plays 5-10 games next year and he's out of contract so Melbourne could delist him if there's no interest. He moves now, gets a multi-year contract, more likelihood of game time elsewhere.

From Melbourne's perspective: he walks next year (and we are subject to the vagaries of AFL free market compensation) or his form drops off and his value decreases. We should trade him because he's likely worth more this yer than next year and there's no compelling reason to have him on the list. We need to improve the list and free up spots. That's more important than depth. If there was some upside for him then it would be different. Others are younger and improving.

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

2 minutes ago, BW511 said:

I’m not sure he gets guaranteed game time anywhere

A bit harsh! I guess we'll see if there's any interest out there. If other clubs are interested they won't be offering him a multi-year contract because they're after depth.

[DubDee 24,264]

If we can get a second rounder or early 3rd rounder for a casey player that is great business

[Slartibartfast 16,816]

47 minutes ago, 58er said:

Fullerton is Lions and Holland's was BOG in Suns VFL premiership yesterday. 

Oh dear. My bad.

[McQueen 17,864]

1 hour ago, Demon Disciple said:

I’d rather we try and change the list when it’s not up to scratch than just sticking our heads in the sand.

Besides which one of Harmes, Grundy, Hibberd, Laurie, Jordon, Dunstan, D Smith and Brown would you consider as indispensable? 

To be fair, you’ve essentially only listed 3 players in your list being Harmes, Laurie and Brown given the others have retired or want to go elsewhere.

So who are the other 5?

[MrFreeze 1,835]

2 hours ago, H_T said:

I know in May I mentioned in this thread Geelong. Now hearing Gold Coast under Dimma. 
I wonder what that means in terms of picks or possible player trade with GC? 

He has a Brandan Ellis vibe, would suit IMO

[Dingo 1,004]

About 3 weeks ago at Gosches l was talking to another supporter- who l had never met before.He claimed to know James’s family.And that he was going to the Bombers next year.So we will see.

[chookrat 4,197]

1 hour ago, Sydney_Demon said:

The reason why we want to trade Harmes out surely is because he's not in our Top 23 now and is a free agent next year. We'd get more for him now and he'd get more certainty and guaranteed game time elsewhere. In both the Club's and his best interests. 

The salary cap relief is also important, we'd be freeing up 400-500k that could be put towards a classy mid/forward or we could draft a young kid with a net saving if $350k+ and back in our up coming brigade of players like Laurie and Taj to fill the gap that Harmes leaves over the next couple of seasons.

[Demon Disciple 11,592]

59 minutes ago, McQueen said:

To be fair, you’ve essentially only listed 3 players in your list being Harmes, Laurie and Brown given the others have retired or want to go elsewhere.

So who are the other 5?

Yes, several retirements in there. Doesn’t matter how the players’ leave, trade/delist/retire, they’ll all need to be replaced and that’s how the list gets refreshed. That’s where my 8 come from.

I could’ve easily gone 10-12, but that would destroy the stability. 

[WalkingCivilWar 39,255]

2 hours ago, 58er said:

Holland's BOG in VFL Suns Premiership yesterday . 

Shaun Mannagh’s Norm Goss medal begs to differ. 😁
Hollands was the Suns’ best but Werribee’s Mannagh was BOG. 

[Demon Disciple 11,592]

1 hour ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Shaun Mannagh’s Norm Goss medal begs to differ. 😁
Hollands was the Suns’ best but Werribee’s Mannagh was BOG. 

And pretty hard not to give him BOG, with 6 goals to go along with 27 possessions

[picket fence 16,614]

On 5/17/2023 at 12:06 PM, DistrACTION Jackson said:

If Harmes leaving allows us to keep JJ I'm fine with that.

Also have to remember we will have some decent players coming in the draft this year and have players like Howes, Woewodin and Laurie developing nicely in the 2s.

Have always loved Harmesy, but may be a win-win for both the club and Harmesy.

Im the opposite would rather keep Harmes than the Vanilla Slice Jordan!🤮

[Nascent 8,585]

If harmes goes to gold coast I wouldn't be unhappy with pick 5 and harmes for pick 4.