On 18/03/2023 at 14:27, Demonland said:

 

Sounds as though Jacko has been with Cuz whilst both on the buzz have become quite whacko. 

It looks bad and he’ll probably cop a suspension. But Kozzie in the midfield playing hard and going nuts is gonna take us next level. Give him everything we got MFC.

Unfortunately even though Pickett's bump action didn't 'elevate' off the ground (his shoulder was actually lower than if he had been standing) the fact both feet left the ground and there was a really good cinematic camera angle will count against him.

Still, late bump that hits the head, you cop your suspension and hopefully take the point to heart.

Pickett's was worse than Buddy's, Pickett left the ground and hit Smith after he had disposed of the ball. Buddy was following the ball and ran through Collins on his way. Don't think Franklin gets a suspension.

Edited March 18, 20232 yr by Dr. Gonzo

He deserves a week but will probably get 2. 

Edited March 18, 20232 yr by leave it to deever

Here is the Buddy incident. No comparison with Kozzy. Kozzy’s incident looks much worse. I believe Kozzy will be made an example of because the AFL will be under pressure with all the concussion stuff in the news. He would get more if Smith had been concussed and hadn’t bounced back up.

Having said that if Buddy has done exactly what Kozzy did he would most certainly get off with a slap on the wrist. 

  On 18/03/2023 at 12:59, Dr. Gonzo said:

Didn't see Franklin's but I can see Pickett getting anywhere from 2 to 6 weeks especially with the current climate of concussion legal actions against the AFL. If he gets off it would be a miracle. Smith playing on helps the cause but the AFL won't like seeing hits like that replayed through the week and will want to send a message that we are serious on potential head injuries.

Yep first cab off the rank for the season so to speak. He could be made an eg of.

I liked how Grundy was one of the first to arrive to back Kossie up after the bump. He is now definitely one of us. GO DEES!

Fair play to Smith. Jumped straight up after the incident. Didn't make a meal of it. respect.

Watched this over and over and over. 
 

Kozzzy leaves his feet to bump.  Not great. 
Impact yes. 
 

But … IT WASN’T A HIGH HIT TO THE HEAD 

watch the frame by frame and it’s a shoulder to upper torso hit 

Smith played on.  No Concussion. 

Amazed that some are trying to put Kozzzys on the frypan for this.  

In my view, it’s a rough conduct.  Low impact as Smith plays on. Two weeks and one week as a guilty plea.  
 

If it was Cripps, Hawkins, Selwood, Dangerfield. Not guilty. Move on.
 

But Kozzzy is one of the regular blokes so he cops it.  

  On 18/03/2023 at 21:47, spirit of norm smith said:

Watched this over and over and over. 
 

Kozzzy leaves his feet to bump.  Not great. 
Impact yes. 
 

But … IT WASN’T A HIGH HIT TO THE HEAD 

watch the frame by frame and it’s a shoulder to upper torso hit 

Smith played on.  No Concussion. 

Amazed that some are trying to put Kozzzys on the frypan for this.  

In my view, it’s a rough conduct.  Low impact as Smith plays on. Two weeks and one week as a guilty plea.  
 

If it was Cripps, Hawkins, Selwood, Dangerfield. Not guilty. Move on.
 

But Kozzzy is one of the regular blokes so he cops it.  

I think the optics are the worst thing here. AFL will want to make a statement. If we’re prepared to fight with Carlton level QCs we might get a more lenient sentence but I think the best we can expect is 1-2 weeks. 

  On 18/03/2023 at 21:52, Demonland said:

I think the optics are the worst thing here. AFL will want to make a statement. If we’re prepared to fight with Carlton level QCs we might get a more lenient sentence but I think the best we can expect is 1-2 weeks. 

Agree 100% . It just looks bloody crude. Kozzie's feet are both off the ground and he's going at Smith like a missile.

However, there is no head contact and Smith does not show any distress.

On outcomes the worst he should get is a week, or even a fine.

However, we all know the fickle ,inconsistent ( and too often ridiculous)  nature of decisions given in the past.

We need to cross our fingers on this one.

  On 18/03/2023 at 15:08, Bobby McKenzie said:

And the photo of the Cripps incident was so very like Kozzies bump. Feet well off the ground.  PLUS the other player was concussed. Interesting this one..

Definitely like the Asterisk Cripps one with feet off the ground.

  On 18/03/2023 at 21:52, Demonland said:

I think the optics are the worst thing here. AFL will want to make a statement. If we’re prepared to fight with Carlton level QCs we might get a more lenient sentence but I think the best we can expect is 1-2 weeks. 

Unfort the AFL have closed the loophole whereby QCs can blather for literally hours and bamboozle the tribunal into ruling that the sun actually rises in the west.

The AFL match review panel has always been about outcome not intent… until a Melbourne player is involved. 
 

I hope we fight whatever we get if it’s more than a week based on precedence, and also to show Kosi we will support him to the ends of the earth (so he signs on!). 

  On 18/03/2023 at 22:24, Jaded No More said:

The AFL match review panel has always been about outcome not intent… until a Melbourne player is involved. 
 

I hope we fight whatever we get if it’s more than a week based on precedence, and also to show Kosi we will support him to the ends of the earth (so he signs on!). 

Yep we always fall on the wrong side of the inconsistency scale

To me the vision shows he does slide up the shoulder of Smith and make contact with the head. He will be made an example of necessary stricter head contact rules. Time to stop using past outcomes as 'a get out of jail free card' and take this action out of the game. 

Apart from that -

Wonderful game Kozzy. See you in a couple of weeks!

  On 18/03/2023 at 14:27, Demonland said:

 

I think that’s right, he gets a week for the look.

Player ok and played well.

Cripps sent Ah-Chee into next week, knocking him out and then missing games. Appealed and got off, winning a Brownlow for fairest and best and getting votes in last games.

We have changed interpretations so often, from outcome, to intent, to possible outcome etc.

With all the concussion talk, it will be a week for possible outcome and the opticals.

Edited March 18, 20232 yr by Redleg

Smith is a class act, that will save Kozzie, I thought he was gone for four on 1st glance, but if he got shoulder and barely glanced head, nothing to see. Franklin flushed the Suns player.

Kozzie does need to be smarter with his shots though.

I feel like the tribunal can't go to hard considering Cripps.

 

2 weeks is what he deserves and what he will get..

Fritta to replace him. 

He'll get a few weeks unfortunately. 

Massive kudos to Brodie Grundy. Ran in with such intent to stick up for kozzie in that scuffle. Bloke cares for his teammates.

Precedence with Cripps case says he should get off....Personally i think these type incidents deserve a week or 2.

The tribunal will find this a tough case for round 1....They will really want to rub him out for "pure optics"....There is no way he should be suspended if we are to take Cripps case seriously.  Seems to be all about the damage inflicted, regardless of intent.   Play ON....by the AFL's dodgy interpretations and precedents!   

Rioli for West Coast also got away with a pretty ugly looking one i thought he would also get weeks for.

Who knows when it comes to the tribunal....Get a good lawyer Kozzie!

Edited March 18, 20232 yr by NeveroddoreveN

I don't think there is precedence with Cripps. Iirc the AFL changed the rules to ensure no one could get off like that again.

Reckon he'll get and deserves 2 games.

 

Unfortunately usual blockheads in the press are already calling for more than 2 weeks

  On 18/03/2023 at 22:50, NeveroddoreveN said:

Precedence with Cripps case says he should get off....Personally i think these type incidents deserve a week or 2.

The tribunal will find this a tough case for round 1....They will really want to rub him out for "pure optics"....There is no way he should be suspended if we are to take Cripps case seriously.  Seems to be all about the damage inflicted, regardless of intent.   Play ON....by the AFL's dodgy interpretations and precedents!   

Rioli for West Coast also got away with a pretty ugly looking one i thought he would also get weeks for.

Who knows when it comes to the tribunal....Get a good lawyer Kozzie!

You mean Liam Ryan.

I agree with Jaded No More, anything worse than a week and we appeal and show Cripps and Ryan knockouts, which are according to the Tribunal, absolutely fine. Smith jumped straight up and was not attended by trainers and got 27 possies. That is very relevant.