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Dees Miss Out on $1 Million Champion Club Award

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How did we miss out on it if it’s just been announced?

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    No points for a VFL win (says something about that comp).

    Nothing for second... not sure it's a good thing.

    Wonder if player bonuses paid for winning are outside the salary cap

     

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      On 09/03/2023 at 07:54, Demonland said:

     

    This should be awarded retrospectively for the last 7 years AFLW has been played. 

    Stll give an AFL Minor Premiers award as well. 

    In 2021 we would have won both awards I think. 
    And the combined MClelland  Again.  in 2022

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    Typical. We would have won it the last two years. But should challenge this year.. Lions are our only real threat. Didn’t think the Cats aflw side was any good. 

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      On 09/03/2023 at 08:08, Gawndy the Great said:

    Typical. We would have won it the last two years. But should challenge this year.. Lions are our only real threat. Didn’t think the Cats aflw side was any good. 

    Sadly Daisy will change that

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    Great idea. Only thing is that id say if both men and women's teams win flags they should get it even if they haven't wont the most games 

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    This is bound to throw up anomalies! 

    eg A mens and womens team could both be on the fringes of the 8 with enough wins to get the points to be the 'champion' club and get the $1m.  While in the same year another club may have one of their teams at the top of the ladder after H&A and their associated team be further down the ladder but not have many wins.  That club misses out on the $1m. 

    Realistically how often will both teams be at the top end of the ladder?  'Games won' is a poor method in my book.  It will favour clubs where both comps are mid tier.  The teams of the winning mid tier club may not even go deep into the finals.

    I love the idea but not the method.   Given there is $1m up for grabs I feel the criteria needs to ensure that the best teams and club does get the prize.

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    I get the AFL is trying to foster a 'one club' mindset but not sure 'games won' is the best way to do it.

    I would prefer that the $1m be split and an amount (eg $400k) goes to the team that finishes on top of the ladder in the AFLM and the AFLW comp, regardless of the club.  Then an amount (eg $200K) to the 'Champion' Club based on the proposed 'games won' method or on an improved method.

    $1m is a huge amount for a club.

    I fear the AFL (as usual) has not thought through the possible outcomes of their 'games won' method and in some years the $1m will be a reward for mediocrity.

    Edited by Lucifers Hero

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    Last word!  Given the newness of many of the AFLW teams only a handful of clubs can win the $1m in the near future:  Dees, Lions, Pies with Freo and Cats outside chances.

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    This is the last word from me🙃. 

    Games won will be heavily distorted by the draw in both comps.  In the AFLM by who plays the bottom 4-6 teams twice.  The impact of the draw is even more significant in the AFLW where each team plays only 9 of the other 17 teams and the draw is designed to give the new teams more wins. 

    AFL, change the method!!

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    Don't like the idea at all.  Why hand out our money?  The award itself should be sufficient.  What's next? money for winning the Brownlow (handy for some to pay their lawyers I guess).

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      On 09/03/2023 at 20:29, Lucifers Hero said:

    I get the AFL is trying to foster a 'one club' mindset but not sure 'games won' is the best way to do it.

    I would prefer that the $1m be split and an amount (eg $400k) goes to the team that finishes on top of the ladder in the AFLM and the AFLW comp, regardless of the club.  Then an amount (eg $200K) to the 'Champion' Club based on the proposed 'games won' method or on an improved method.

    $1m is a huge amount for a club.

    I fear the AFL (as usual) has not thought through the possible outcomes of their 'games won' method and in some years the $1m will be a reward for mediocrity.

    Once again it all comes back to the draw and now it seems that teams with a garbage one will now miss out on even more.

    Big, big money. 

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      On 09/03/2023 at 08:00, McQueen said:

    How did we miss out on it if it’s just been announced?

    we didn’t. bizarre title

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    David King reckons it's a stupid idea and should be re-directed to the soft cap to pay under paid assistant coaches.

    Agree that the timing is a little frustrating given we would've been $1 million richer the year before it was introduced.

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      On 09/03/2023 at 08:02, Demonland said:

    if it had been awarded this season we’d be $1 million richer. 

    You mean last season.

    You’re titles are heading into click bait territory now @Demonland 😆

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      On 09/03/2023 at 20:29, Lucifers Hero said:

    I get the AFL is trying to foster a 'one club' mindset but not sure 'games won' is the best way to do it.

    I would prefer that the $1m be split and an amount (eg $400k) goes to the team that finishes on top of the ladder in the AFLM and the AFLW comp, regardless of the club.  Then an amount (eg $200K) to the 'Champion' Club based on the proposed 'games won' method or on an improved method.

    $1m is a huge amount for a club.

    I fear the AFL (as usual) has not thought through the possible outcomes of their 'games won' method and in some years the $1m will be a reward for mediocrity.

    Well Luc I can't see how mediocrity is an issue. If you win the McClelland Trophy with both AFL and AFLW counted you need at least big no of wins in one and more than half in the other. 
    it would be good to go back over the last 6 years and check just to see who   Was the winner. 
    Don't go for the split up of $400,000 each and $200,000 for the winner. Would be better if $400,000 to the overall winner and $300,000 to each of the Men's and Women's  Divisions if this went ahead. 
     

     

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    If the money goes to the players and is distributed to individual players at the club's discretion I sense a salary cap rort in the making

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      On 09/03/2023 at 20:29, Lucifers Hero said:

    I get the AFL is trying to foster a 'one club' mindset but not sure 'games won' is the best way to do it.

    I would prefer that the $1m be split and an amount (eg $400k) goes to the team that finishes on top of the ladder in the AFLM and the AFLW comp, regardless of the club.  Then an amount (eg $200K) to the 'Champion' Club based on the proposed 'games won' method or on an improved method.

    $1m is a huge amount for a club.

    I fear the AFL (as usual) has not thought through the possible outcomes of their 'games won' method and in some years the $1m will be a reward for mediocrity.

    Would you be happier with ladder position? That is, 18 points for first, 17 for second etc. Maximum available points would be 36. It would need a decision on whether the points are awarded for end of Home and Away or after finals. 

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    Here’s an idea AFL HQ, invest that money in grass roots footy. I’ve read recently (given footy seasons are just around the corner) of many local level footy clubs and leagues struggling to get teams on the park due to all matters of financial problems. COVID has brought local clubs to their knees…………… but no, let’s continue to reward the elite 1% of the footballing fraternity who are already well remunerated 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️🤦

    I mean, why should Gil and his executive mates care about the health of grass roots football 🤬

    Edited by Demon Disciple

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      On 10/03/2023 at 04:01, Demon Disciple said:

    Here’s an idea AFL HQ, invest that money in grass roots footy. I’ve read recently (given footy seasons are just around the corner) of many local level footy clubs and leagues struggling to get teams on the park due to all matters of financial problems. COVID has brought local clubs to their knees…………… but no, let’s continue to reward the elite 1% of the footballing fraternity who are already well remunerated 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️🤦

    I mean, why should Gil and his executive mates care about the health of grass roots football 🤬

    Here here!

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