On 10/16/2022 at 1:31 AM, Stiff Arm said:

To not draft from interstate any more is to wave the white flag and say we don't back our system, player welfare, development or future success. We might as well pack up shop. Seriously.

This is amongst the silliest things I've ever heard suggested 

The Interstate clubs say the exact same thing in regards to their feelings about Victorian players wanting to come back home. You as a professional sporting club has to pick the player who best suits your needs, I was hoping for Young or Serong but Jackson won me over. To be totally honest I had the same theory of thought during the Jack Watts and NicNat Draft. I was glad we took Watts but would we of been a more successful club quicker with NicNat. Probably not, reckon he would a done a runner too.

6 hours ago, 4_Kent_Watts said:

The Interstate clubs say the exact same thing in regards to their feelings about Victorian players wanting to come back home. You as a professional sporting club has to pick the player who best suits your needs, I was hoping for Young or Serong but Jackson won me over. To be totally honest I had the same theory of thought during the Jack Watts and NicNat Draft. I was glad we took Watts but would we of been a more successful club quicker with NicNat. Probably not, reckon he would a done a runner too.

Natanui was seen as a bit of a flight risk.

Bit couple that with our off field mess and horrific culture at the time then absolutely no doubt he would have done a runner once soon enough.

On 11/12/2022 at 11:49 PM, 4_Kent_Watts said:

The Interstate clubs say the exact same thing in regards to their feelings about Victorian players wanting to come back home. You as a professional sporting club has to pick the player who best suits your needs, I was hoping for Young or Serong but Jackson won me over. To be totally honest I had the same theory of thought during the Jack Watts and NicNat Draft. I was glad we took Watts but would we of been a more successful club quicker with NicNat. Probably not, reckon he would a done a runner too.

Your post is conjecture in entirety. Runs second to the title of this thread in the sweeping statement stakes

You cannot compare where we were when Watts was drafted with where we are now. Might as well compare zucchinis with watermelons. How's that for a sweeping statement!

Edited November 16, 20222 yr by Stiff Arm

1 hour ago, Stiff Arm said:

Might as well compare zucchinis with watermelons. How's that for a sweeping statement!

Both have big seeds

1 hour ago, Stiff Arm said:

Your post is conjecture in entirety. Runs second to the title of this thread in the sweeping statement stakes

You cannot compare where we were when Watts was drafted with where we are now. Might as well compare zucchinis with watermelons. How's that for a sweeping statement!

I'll take the Don't Argue on the chin Stiff Arm. I can base my opinion regardless of the info I do or don't have, it's only an opinion. Also I can compare when Watts was drafted as that was why I wanted him picked over NicNat. Strictly State based. 

28 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Both have big seeds

I guess both have a high water content an ripen around the same time of year...

You might be onto something

8 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

I guess both have a high water content an ripen around the same time of year...

You might be onto something

Keep it up Stiffy !

1 hour ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Keep it up Stiffy !

That's what she said!

On 11/12/2022 at 6:15 AM, durango said:

There has been plenty of players who get drafted from other states and remained in Victoria some examples are Cripps and Grundy they have turned their backs on their home states regularly when asked about going back.

Blake Acres is from WA recruited by the Saints then off loaded to Fremantle and now has come back to Victoria, for the money.

At the MFC Chandler is from SA, Petty is from SA, Sparrow is from SA and Alex Neal-Bullen is from SA.

The current players who are very iffy are Rivers and Pickett 2023 will decide whether they want to return home or not.

Often players who come from other states and meet and marry a local girl who's roots are in Victoria will stay for the family support when they have children. 

We must always take a risk and take the best available no matter which state he comes from, only if you get 2 players of equal potential, you then think about needs and finally consider the local as more attactive.

Ssshhhh!

That logic doesn’t fit the Hyperbole narrative, we’ve lost Farmer, Hogan and Jackson in the last 20 years

We can all have our opinions on whether to draft from WA again or not. It’s a given that every club will be drafting from every state over the course of time. It’s a national comp, and every recruiter and list manager has a responsiblity to get quality players and quality people through the door.
 

If there’s more players going home these days, the only thing that will happen is if there’s 2 players they’re choosing from and they can barely split them from best available or list needs, the local boy will get picked. If there’s a clear stand out between the next 2 on their board, they’re picking the stand out regardless of where they’re from, unless this draftee has said he doesn’t want to move to Victoria. 
 

When I say ‘stand out’ or ‘barely can split them’, that’s taking into account everything (Physical attributes, mental attributes, list needs etc.)

21 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Ssshhhh!

That logic doesn’t fit the Hyperbole narrative, we’ve lost Farmer, Hogan and Jackson in the last 20 years

And one of those was not wanted at the time.

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

And one of those was not wanted at the time.

Exactly

If we are facing Covid restrictions again, and on form we probably are, then I'd have to say it could be a problem recruiting kids from Interstate, particularly WA.

Life has been [censored] in Victoria over the last 3 years.

These kids can see their mates living free and easy and it must be hard for them to have to miss out. I think that would have been a big part of LJ's decision to return.

Lifestyle, restriction free, among his mates......

 

1 hour ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Exactly

Penn, I suggested Jefferson and George would be a great draft for our future quite  a while ago. We would get one at 13, but not the other at 37. A trade up of 37 would be needed using a Future pick.

What do you think about that scenario?

Our need for another key forward is obvious to us all and Jefferson appears to be the next best after Cadman. If JT agrees that is probably it. George is the touted game changer who will be out next season, who but for injury, could have been too 5-10.

It is a chance to get him lower than his value if we really want him and can get a trade up done. It wouldn’t be easy.

The other alternative is take one and whoever at 37.

Edited November 18, 20222 yr by Redleg

26 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Penn, I suggested Jefferson and George would be a great draft for our future quite  a while ago. We would get one at 13, but not the other at 37. A trade up of 37 would be needed using a Future pick.

What do you think about that scenario?

Our need for another key forward is obvious to us all and Jefferson appears to be the next best after Cadman. If JT agrees that is probably it. George is the touted game changer who will be out next season, who but for injury, could have been too 5-10.

It is a chance to get him lower than his value if we really want him and can get a trade up done. It wouldn’t be easy.

The other alternative is take one and whoever at 37.

I’d like to see us get some run with our pick, or another mid who impacts the scoreboard.

I like Holland, Allan, Hewett for this reason. I think the 2 first rounders next year is where we target the key forward

If flight risk is a nationwide issue, surely Victorian clubs will be the main beneficiaries? For every player we might lose there must be more wanting to return to Victoria. Of course, there are 10 Victorian clubs then fighting for those players, but I just see that as another reason for the club to make sure it is managed in a way that makes us a desired destination.  

This is a bit of an over reaction.

We still have Kozzie.

It's always a risk but if a gun player leaves we need to be compensated.

Not sure if Brody is a great replacement for Jackson.

I feel like Jackson is a better fwd option.

Great to have two big rucks but that doesn't translate to goals scored.

We really need an established big forward in this premiership window asap.

Tmac is injury prone and Bbb has slumps.

Weid is gone...no biggy but we didn't have a big gun to target with bb out of form and Tmac out injured and it showed.

Melk wasn't it that's for sure.

We lost a flag as a result.

 

Edited November 24, 20222 yr by leave it to deever

Blake Acres and Griffin Logie both left Freo during trade period heading to Carlton and North.

Both WA boys

On 11/12/2022 at 10:24 AM, Demons11 said:

So 4 players out of how many? Hardly an issue.  What comes around goes around. 
 

We got Langdon and Lever in from interstate 

Langdon hails from South Yarra, I believe. Lever from Romsey. 

In the past 4 drafts we have drafted 5 Western Australians out of 11 players drafted. 6 flight risks out of 11 if you count Kozzy who is highly touted to leave at seasons end. 

We Have from interstate:

May (NT)

Moniz-Wakefield (NT)

Spargo (NSW)

Turner (NSW)

Van Rooyen (WA)

Rivers (WA)

Woewodin (WA)

McVee (WA)

Dunstan (SA)

Neal-Bullen (SA)

Sparrow (SA)

Petty (SA)

Kossie (SA)

Chandler (SA)

B. Brown (Tas)

and Now Grundy (SA) and Adams (WA)

And this year we lost Jackson(WA), Bedford (Vic) and Hunt (Vic)

The go home factor is a beat up that happens less often than people think, and also often a $$$ factor hidden behind the go home factor to sell it easier to the media and clubs, as well as soften the backlash.

If the WA players are the best available, get them!

Well we just drafted a guy from WA. Long live threads like these..

7 hours ago, Travy14 said:

We Have from interstate:

May (NT)

Moniz-Wakefield (NT)

Spargo (NSW)

Turner (NSW)

Van Rooyen (WA)

Rivers (WA)

Woewodin (WA)

McVee (WA)

Dunstan (SA)

Neal-Bullen (SA)

Sparrow (SA)

Petty (SA)

Kossie (SA)

Chandler (SA)

B. Brown (Tas)

and Now Grundy (SA) and Adams (WA)

And this year we lost Jackson(WA), Bedford (Vic) and Hunt (Vic)

The go home factor is a beat up that happens less often than people think, and also often a $$$ factor hidden behind the go home factor to sell it easier to the media and clubs, as well as soften the backlash.

If the WA players are the best available, get them!

May is practically Victorian and joined us. Same goes for Dunstan and Grundy 

Spargo and Turner come from an area that feeds to Melbourne far more than Sydney, they were probably born in the Wodonga hospital. Ben Brown and AMW have no teams to go too!

SA players don’t go home from Victoria all that often if things are going well. North really botched it with JHF and the crows have spent huge money getting some big recruits, but otherwise they aren’t flooding back.

We’ve been a victim of circumstance with Hogan and Jacko. It’s worth evaluating and possibly avoiding Perth city kids with tight knit families. The Northern clubs have to do that with Victorian players. But it’s a risk/reward evaluation and circumstances shouldn’t conspire against us as often as they have with Hoges and Jacko.

Dawson, JHF and Rankine all gone back to SA in the past 2 years.  I'd say it's no different to WA just that we were unlucky and notice the WA one more.

There are more Vic's that move home but also more Vic's in the comp too.

It's a nothing subject really, and player movement is only going to become more and more!

21 hours ago, Grr-owl said:

Langdon hails from South Yarra, I believe. Lever from Romsey. 

That’s my point, if you get players in that are from VIC then you can’t expect not to lose players back to their home state