Just now, DeeZone said:

Have to agree to disagree Adonski.

Getting beaten in straight sets on the MCG during September, always meant that changes were necessary. 
It hurts to see favourite players go, but The Club has to be hard on itself right now, to improve. 
I am now more interested in who comes into the 22 for next year

He's heart and soul, this would be very bad

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Getting beaten in straight sets on the MCG during September, always meant that changes were necessary. 
It hurts to see favourite players go, but The Club has to be hard on itself right now, to improve. 
I am now more interested in who comes into the 22 for next year

This is certainly the key 

We are supposedly in a premiership window - let's see what the club has planned.

22 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Yes, we panicked and overpaid the guy who doesn’t fit in our structure and had guaranteed currency so are now losing 3 best 25 guys who have far less value. I predicted this at the time. 

I’m not sure about overpaying.
The deal put in front of Brayshaw was on the basis of:

A. Them being willing to lose him.

B. Knowing he didn’t want to leave and the talk of him considering his options, nothing but grandstanding. 

26 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Goody’s apparent stubbornness to change things up too much

= I don't understand the decisions the FD are making, it must be because Goodwin is stubborn.

5 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

He's heart and soul, this would be very bad

People talk about entries into the forward line and we let two of our worst disposers of the ball leave.

Perhaps just a coincidence.

Is Gus Brayshaw playing midfield next year? Because, IMO, he hampered us in the midfield in every game except the first one after signing the new deal. He is best suited to the wing. Our success in 21 was due to the selflessness of guys like Brayshaw. If the tail is wagging the dog, things like Harmes leaving start to happen. It was very odd that Brayshaw moved from the HBF to the midfield as soon as he signed on. Was it a condition ? There is chatter that Harmes is after more midfield time. He was pushed out when Brayshaw entered the picture. Sparrow is also loved by the coaches, as we found out at the Bluey. My concern remains that we seem to have lost the selfless approach and guys are disgruntled and looking to cash in as premiership players 

2 minutes ago, bing181 said:

People talk about entries into the forward line and we let two of our worst disposers of the ball leave.

Perhaps just a coincidence.

It's like opening an advent calendar of [censored] kicks, binga! Who will it be tomorrow?

17 minutes ago, adonski said:

Harmes the permanent tagger is a best 18 player

Harmes the bit half forward, sometimes wingman and occasional midfielder is in our bottom 6

That’s a good way to put it

Not sure what the benefit is in trading him for a 2nd round pick.

Either Tom Sparrow is going to explode in 2023 or we are looking to bring in someone else.

1 hour ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

He's a fringe player who from memory is on pretty good coin.

If his departure allows us to improve the list then I'm all for it.  The club will have a plan.

We'll never forget ''that kick'', but Harmes is expendable.

“That kick” turned history - but maybe he has been given matching orders because he broke team rules - passed across goal to a leading BBB, instead of bombing high into the crowded left FP 🙄

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Not that I rate Harmes super highly, but Dunstan in for Harmes doesn't improve us.

 

If Dunstan, who would be cheaper, can provide the same input and we release the money we pay harmes then its definately an improvement ... same with hunt given we have a number of small defenders that can play his role ... we do have a glut of those types

Edited October 3, 20222 yr by Demons1858

13 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

He's heart and soul, this would be very bad

culture issue?? 😬🤨

Harmes and Weid for Merritt I'm hearing 😉

He makes a lot of sense for Essendon. he's probably behind Petracca, Oliver, Viney, Brayshaw, Sparrow, Jordan at least for us in terms of the midfield rotations without a clear second position. 

He walks right into the bombers midfield and offers them some serious grunt and 2 way running though, the type of player they do need because they don't really know what defending is the essendon midfield. 

I just hope this would be part of an elaborate plan to sign an upgrade winger, part of me worries it's the Lachie Hunter thing

4 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

If Dunstan, who would be cheaper, can provide the same input and we release the money we pay harmes then that its definately an improvement ...

Nah. Dunstan is just a slower and less versatile Harmes, and doesn't fit with our midfield mix at all IMO. Good depth though.

6 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Brayshaw > Harmes + Hunt 

 

Brayshaw is a proven A grader in not one but three field positions. Harmes is barely a proven A grader in one. 

B+ mid who doesn’t fit with our best mids
B- wing
B+ half back who isn’t tall enough to be an elite interceptor, isn’t quick or disciplined enough to defend and can’t hit targets, can’t play in the same side as Lever

Could’ve kept Harmes and Hunt to provide the same output mid/wing and half back who compliment in some ways our best players. Then used the currency of Gus to find a long term midfield answer. Instead it could be Lachie Hunter and Joel Smith, yay 

37 minutes ago, MrFreeze said:

Essendon supports saying their 22 would likely get eaten up for points picking up Alywyn davey in the draft, 22 for harmes would be a good get imo 

We’ve now got a raft of 3rd rd picks to send back to help them with bid matching.

Edited October 3, 20222 yr by ChaserJ

7 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

He makes a lot of sense for Essendon. he's probably behind Petracca, Oliver, Viney, Brayshaw, Sparrow, Jordan at least for us in terms of the midfield rotations without a clear second position. 

He walks right into the bombers midfield and offers them some serious grunt and 2 way running though, the type of player they do need because they don't really know what defending is the essendon midfield. 

I just hope this would be part of an elaborate plan to sign an upgrade winger, part of me worries it's the Lachie Hunter thing

I haven’t read or heard the Lachie Hunter thing. Can someone enlighten me? Where did this come from? What’s the talk?

6 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

He's heart and soul, this would be very bad

I’ve been told from someone who knows most of our players pretty well about the interaction between the boys and how certain players are regarded by other players. James IS the heart and soul of this team. So despite some halfwits who may laugh at you, you’re spot on with your comment. 🙂

3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

B+ mid who doesn’t fit with our best mids
B- wing
B+ half back who isn’t tall enough to be an elite interceptor, isn’t quick or disciplined enough to defend and can’t hit targets, can’t play in the same side as Lever

Could’ve kept Harmes and Hunt to provide the same output mid/wing and half back who compliment in some ways our best players. Then used the currency of Gus to find a long term midfield answer. Instead it could be Lachie Hunter and Joel Smith, yay 

Brayshaw B- Winger B+ Half Back

Get off the Bongs Spence, that is just an insult comment 

 

9 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Nah. Dunstan is just a slower and less versatile Harmes, and doesn't fit with our midfield mix at all IMO. Good depth though.

Agree harmes is better, but its money ball and if you have a glut of depth in any area that isn't fully utilised then you move them on and go get (or retain) another ruck / forward / winger that covers up a bigger hole and that then drives significant improvement

Edited October 3, 20222 yr by Demons1858

13 minutes ago, monoccular said:

“That kick” turned history - but maybe he has been given matching orders because he broke team rules - passed across goal to a leading BBB, instead of bombing high into the crowded left FP 🙄

How the memory fades.

Fritsch.

1 minute ago, Demons1858 said:

Agree harmes is better, but its money ball and if you have a glut of depth in any area that isn't fully utilised then you move them on and go get (or retain) another ruck / forward / winger that covers up a bigger hole abs that drives significant improvement

Just to clarify, I was responding originally to SWYL who was suggesting Dunstan come into the team for Harmes role.

This is a different conversation to the dynamics of list management.

3 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

I haven’t read or heard the Lachie Hunter thing. Can someone enlighten me? Where did this come from? What’s the talk?

The rumour going around is we're the team most keen to sign Lachie Hunter, i'm not a huge fan of this, just hope if it's true the club has done it's due diligence