Jack Bowes Salary Dump

[DeeSpencer 24,949]

1 minute ago, layzie said:

The NBA occasionally steps in and vetoes lopsided trades like this one. Wish the AFL could do that. 

They can, but they deliberately said they would be less likely to do it this year. Almost like they knew this was coming 

[Redleg 40,380]

11 minutes ago, old dee said:

Sounds like you have been using the same people as the MFC Bbo!

Then he will never get a training base.

More chance of getting Dom Perignon or Grange Hermitage out of his winecasks.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Redleg

[DubDee 24,724]

Why the heck are the Suns giving away pick 7!   You don't see the Pies giving us their first pick along with Grundy

Madness!

[daisycutter 29,436]

4 minutes ago, Redleg said:

You mean the Romsey Recreational Reserve is unavailable.

Then what about the Macedon Maulers? Surely you could use Hanging Rock for the training base.

i'm sure uncle's croquet court at the manor would be suitable for an mcg sized ground

[layzie 33,299]

7 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

They can, but they deliberately said they would be less likely to do it this year. Almost like they knew this was coming 

Pretty convenient hey. 

[Red and Blue realist 2,040]

29 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

How can the Cats afford to accomodate such a high salary AND bring in more talented youngsters in Bruhn and Henry when they just won the flag? The entire point of the draft and salary caps is equalisation, yet it seems it's creating an environment that's anything but equal. How are the struggling clubs like North and GC ever meant to become competitive when their top young kids are walking out the door or they can't afford to keep them without paying absurd amounts?

The competition is in a terrible spot at the moment!

Because they've got 14 players who'll be over 30 next season (assuming no one else leaves or retires) and of those only Cameron and Stewart (the youngest as well) are likely to be on longer more expensive deals. Some of the others have been extremely highly paid during their careers and in order to stay on a list they would have accepted a lower contract - exactly why I think guys like Hibberd and Melksham can be useful. 

They managed to get the flag, and good on them for that, but it could have gone the other way and they could have gone the way of North a few years back.

[Gawndy the Great 9,010]

4 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Why the heck are the Suns giving away pick 7!   You don't see the Pies giving us their first pick along with Grundy

Madness!

It’s a lot to accomodate. What’s a bet, Geelong will convince him to take a 200K pay cut. 

[BDA 22,414]

This trade stinks to high heavens. The suns are a joke and the cats are taking the pizz. The AFL had to take a look at the books at the cattery. Very suspect 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,621]

Pretty handy that the Cats CEO use to be Head of Football at AFL and has all the inside workings of all these trade quirks and ways to manipulate the system.

How this is allow to happen has got me plucked.

This wouldn't happen in american sports.

[BAMF 4,173]

Good thing the Sun's got that draft assistance a few years ago.

[djr 1,376]

3 hours ago, BDA said:

This trade stinks to high heavens. The suns are a joke and the cats are taking the pizz. The AFL had to take a look at the books at the cattery. Very suspect 

It would have to be the most embarrassing trade in history. The Suns should be ashamed of themselves. It shows a high level of incompetence by everyone involved. The AFL should again investigate the Suns mismanagement starting with Evans. If I was a supporter I would be disgusted. 

[monoccular 17,349]

4 hours ago, Redleg said:

You mean our ex List Manager.

Yes - ex

4 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

They can, but they deliberately said they would be less likely to do it this year. Almost like they knew this was coming 

 

1 hour ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Pretty handy that the Cats CEO use to be Head of Football at AFL and has all the inside workings of all these trade quirks and ways to manipulate the system.

How this is allow to happen has got me plucked.

This wouldn't happen in american sports.

And some of us thought that AFL corruption was limited to the MRP / tribunal / appeals board, but ….. ??

addendum : and schedule, sometimes amusingly referred to as “the draw”. 

Edited October 5, 2022 by monoccular

[layzie 33,299]

16 hours ago, DubDee said:

Why the heck are the Suns giving away pick 7!   You don't see the Pies giving us their first pick along with Grundy

Madness!

The fact that they have to throw that sweatener in is really pathetic. AFL needs to review their lovechild again to see what's going on up there. 

[Stiff Arm 4,419]

Shame there isn't an independent panel that audits clubs SCs. 

Has Bowes been promised a free hobby farm near Geelong as well? Or something similar for family back in Cairns?

[Lucifers Hero 39,049]

6 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

Shame there isn't an independent panel that audits clubs SCs. 

Has Bowes been promised a free hobby farm near Geelong as well? Or something similar for family back in Cairns?

I'm sure there is a friendly Geelong travel agent that will 'organise' the airfares and accommodation for family. 

Oh, you need a car Jack?  Right O, go and see Blogs and he will set you up.  Your partner needs a job?  xxx are looking for staff they might help. 

Repeat those attractions for any service/product a player coming to Geelong may want and their salary package stretches much much further and it is all tax free to the player!!  No cash to player so never appears anywhere near Geelong's books or anyone else's.

[layzie 33,299]

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I'm sure there is a friendly Geelong travel agent that will 'organise' the airfares and accommodation for family. 

Definitely.

 

Edited October 6, 2022 by layzie

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[Diamond_Jim 12,390]

Geelong are spreading the 2 x $850k over 4 years apparently

Why would Bowes agree...play 2 years at $850k and back yourself to command a minimum of say$400k for another 2 years and he's $800k in front

[Demonland 70,523]

 

[Lucifers Hero 39,049]

7 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Geelong are spreading the 2 x $850k over 4 years apparently

Why would Bowes agree...play 2 years at $850k and back yourself to command a minimum of say$400k for another 2 years and he's $800k in front

If so I hope they told Bowes that before he nominated them.

I would guess it is 4 years at say $550-$600.

Geelong get pick 7, get the player but spread the $$ for little sal cap hit.  Not what was implied in GCS  offer.

Edited October 7, 2022 by Lucifers Hero

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,495]

Anyone who can manage 31 kicks in a game of footy (round 4 2021 V Carlton) must have some appeal I guess.

 

[DeeSpencer 24,949]

13 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Geelong are spreading the 2 x $850k over 4 years apparently

Why would Bowes agree...play 2 years at $850k and back yourself to command a minimum of say$400k for another 2 years and he's $800k in front

He’d probably have to go to Essendon for that, where he’d get poor coaching and fitness advice and be out of the league in 2 years.

This way he gets the Geelong special home cooking that sees all of their players add 5kg of bulk instantly and he’ll probably get a deal with Cotton On to sell undies. Plus he’ll play until he’s 33 rather than 26.

[Diamond_Jim 12,390]

11 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

If so I hope they told Bowes that before he nominated them.

I would guess it is 4 years at say $550-$600.

Geelong get pick 7, get the player but spread the $$ for little sal cap hit.  Not what was implied in GCS  offer.

Suspect you're right but as you say it would need to be 4x $550k minimum which puts the year 3 and 4 at only $250k pa.

Bowes is selling himself short perhaps ..maybe there's an upward kicker for success

[ChaserJ 4,818]

On 10/5/2022 at 7:07 PM, BAMF said:

Good thing the Sun's got that draft assistance a few years ago.

This is very much at the heart of the problem. The AFL have stuffed the equalisation economy with all of the assistance GC received over multiple years (I’ll call it ‘pick-flation’).

Theyve had so much draft pick stimulus pumped in, the value of a high pick has just diminished and created a salary cap squeeze in order to retain these highly rated players. Because they’ve taken on too much of that water, so they’re unloading and it’s the well run and well off clubs catching all of the overflow. Even when helping lift the poorer clubs up, the stronger clubs end up benefitting. It’s why equalisation measures are cooked.

In order to maintain some integrity of the cap, AFL should have limited the capacity of contract smoothing for clubs taking on salary dump contracts. E.g. Geelong should take on the full 850 for a two year period, but permitted to negotiate a friendlier extension that only triggers when the original contract has been fulfilled. The measure of when a trade constitutes a ‘dump’ could  be measured by the other incentives involved in the trade (I.e. an objectively one sided deal). Funny that Ned Guy is in the role that l’d see assessing this function at the AFL. No wonder dumps were waved through this year.

Allowing clubs inheriting the dumped contract and smooth straight away feels like a rort.

Edited October 7, 2022 by ChaserJ

[old55 23,023]

It'll be fascinating to see what Geelong send back.