Hawks racism allegations (merged thread)

[Wells 11 5,436]

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

He is welcome to follow fellow North forward Ben Brown's lead and come win a flag with Melbourne.

I feel for the Roos. It’s the closest I’ve seen any club come to the dees level of despair. Perhaps they’ve passed it now…. And that, as we know, is a dark place as a passionate supporter. Do we, as a club, make a move on him or any others? Head says yes heart says no. But you can bet other clubs would be smelling blood in the water and moving in if we aren’t. Terrible for footy really. 

[Jaded No More 68,974]

4 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

I feel for the Roos. It’s the closest I’ve seen any club come to the dees level of despair. Perhaps they’ve passed it now…. And that, as we know, is a dark place as a passionate supporter. Do we, as a club, make a move on him or any others? Head says yes heart says no. But you can bet other clubs would be smelling blood in the water and moving in if we aren’t. Terrible for footy really. 

You can’t play nice in AFL. Nobody felt sorry for us when we were down. Clubs came poaching Frawley and Rivers and it sucked. But those players wanted success and they got it. You cannot hold back from improving your list because you feel sorry for another club. 
At the end of the day if Larky wanted out, I would absolutely want us to chase him hard. He’s exactly what we need. Would also chase Ben McKay. 

Edited May 18, 2023 by Jaded No More

[layzie 34,121]

8 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

You can’t play nice in AFL. Nobody felt sorry for us when we were down. Clubs came poaching Frawley and Rivers and it sucked. But those players wanted success and they got it. You cannot hold back from improving your list because you feel sorry for another club. 
At the end of the day if Larky wanted out, I would absolutely want us to chase him hard. He’s exactly what we need. Would also chase Ben McKay. 

Sadly this is true, it's a dog eat dog world. 

PS: Sorry to the Dog thread people.

[beelzebub 23,384]

38 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

You can’t play nice in AFL. Nobody felt sorry for us when we were down. Clubs came poaching Frawley and Rivers and it sucked. But those players wanted success and they got it. You cannot hold back from improving your list because you feel sorry for another club. 
At the end of the day if Larky wanted out, I would absolutely want us to chase him hard. He’s exactly what we need. Would also chase Ben McKay. 

Not been following that closely eh JNM ??

Clarko is out...   

He and Gil have different values...

For the record...i despise Gil the Dill.

 

[Demonstone 23,098]

I wonder how North will respond against Sydney this week.

It's possible that these events will inspire the team to play very well and pull off a good win, but also possible that they will feel totally flat and demoralised and play terribly.

[Demonland 73,266]

 

[Demonland 73,266]

 

[chookrat 4,268]

9 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

You have to feel for North in all of this. 

Agree fully, since Brad Scott left the players have had virtually no stability with multiple senior coaches as well as overhauls of the footy department and executive.

I feel for Clarkson in this as while the truth telling is important as a society we are too quick to condemn people including the people who chose to tell their story along with the coaches involved.  I hope we see Clarkson back at North and that he can continue to contribute to the game.

[chookrat 4,268]

6 hours ago, Damo said:

HFC and media organisations will just say it was their duty to report. So how can you sue people who have not much to risk? It will have to come, and I believe it will come, from the AFL. 

The report should have been confidential along with the investigation that is currently underway.  A part of me wonders whether Kennett initiated the report as a way of diminishing Clarkson's legacy to enhance his own, as there is no way as President you initiate such a review without having an idea of the sort of issues it will uncover.

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

You can’t play nice in AFL. Nobody felt sorry for us when we were down. Clubs came poaching Frawley and Rivers and it sucked. But those players wanted success and they got it. You cannot hold back from improving your list because you feel sorry for another club. 
At the end of the day if Larky wanted out, I would absolutely want us to chase him hard. He’s exactly what we need. Would also chase Ben McKay. 

Agree with you about Nick Larkey, but Ben McKay? Seriously. I might chase Harry McKay if was available. Choco might be able to teach him how to kick for goal.

[Redleg 41,717]

1 hour ago, layzie said:

The only losers in all this are North.

You got that wrong!

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

8 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

I think it's called "protecting the brand" Jaded

Individuals are quite often the low hanging fruit in this large AFL jungle

Essendon drug scandal per se one example, where the AFL found the club had no case to answer and were cleared in the face of ASADA investigation.

Not to mention Dean Bailey and Chris Connolly taking the blame for the so-called Melbourne tanking scandal:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne_Football_Club_tanking_scandal

[whatwhat say what 23,072]

1 hour ago, Wells 11 said:

I feel for the Roos. It’s the closest I’ve seen any club come to the dees level of despair. Perhaps they’ve passed it now…. And that, as we know, is a dark place as a passionate supporter. Do we, as a club, make a move on him or any others? Head says yes heart says no. But you can bet other clubs would be smelling blood in the water and moving in if we aren’t. Terrible for footy really. 

pillage em at will, i say

that said, i don't think larkey is all that and a bag of crisps - no defensive side whatsoever

[dees189227 12,432]

Do you reckon Jason Horne Francis will sleep easy tonight and think yep I made the right decision. I reckon he will

[Great Northern Summer 708]

8 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

Not to mention Dean Bailey and Chris Connolly taking the blame for the so-called Melbourne tanking scandal:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne_Football_Club_tanking_scandal

Well from what I recall, Connolly specifically said it - that we aren't to win, so he should have taken blame. Bailey was coaching the team with his hands tied behind his back - the absolute scapegoat. I have no sympathy for Connolly whatsoever by the way, he was the architect (with his mate Schwab) in undermining Bailey and essentially leading to our 2011 demise. 

[The heart beats true 18,175]

38 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Do you reckon Jason Horne Francis will sleep easy tonight and think yep I made the right decision. I reckon he will

He’s playing on Oliver and Petracca tomorrow. I doubt anyone sleeps well under those conditions.

[Little Goffy 14,664]

4 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

I'm predicting Ratten will be interim coach for 6 games, based solely on that being how long he covered in his acting seasons at each of Carlton and St Kilda.

Ratten still has quite some work to do to also be the first person sacked at three different clubs while having a 50/50 or better win-loss ratio!

[dees189227 12,432]

Kane Cornes meanwhile writes his article about nth players thinking about leaving.

When we were down in the doldrums people were saying do we really need to be in the competition, we aren't relevant,  clubs took our players and we got bagged from pillar to post. Lets not forget that journo Greg Denham.

[Demonland 73,266]

 

[Mel Bourne 4,534]

My best mate is a Roos supporter. I am getting RSI from feeling sorry for him. 

[Demonsterative 3,020]

Whilst this situation is not good on any level, it does not, in any way exonerate Clarkson from what could be racist behaviour. The process is flawed, but if true, the behaviour warrants accountability. If wrong, the AFL needs to be hung out to dry. 

[beelzebub 23,384]

10 minutes ago, Demonsterative said:

Whilst this situation is not good on any level, it does not, in any way exonerate Clarkson from what could be racist behaviour. The process is flawed, but if true, the behaviour warrants accountability. If wrong, the AFL needs to be hung out to dry. 

Or not..you know jack

[mauriesy 7,378]

1 hour ago, The heart beats true said:

He’s playing on Oliver and Petracca tomorrow. I doubt anyone sleeps well under those conditions.

I'd be more worried about playing on Viney. ☺️

[titan_uranus 25,050]

6 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Put yourself in the position of North Melbourne forward Nick Larkey.

He turns 25 next month. He has been in the AFL for six years. He’s played 80 games; of those 80 he’s won just 19. When he plays on Saturday, he will do so under the guidance of his fourth coach in 16 games. The prime years of his career are being wasted.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-decision-north-players-must-make-after-clarkson-bombshell-20230518-p5d9f8.html

No one could blame any North Melbourne player who wanted to leave.

By Kane Cornes - didn't take long

Is North now in free fall?

It's pretty quick to be going with this but he's right.

It's why I, and many others, were so against the simplistic "we sucked at drafting" argument that pervaded on here in 2007-14.

How were Cale Morton, Jack Watts, Jack Trengove, Jack Grimes, even Jimmy Toumpas, supposed to reach their best in the mess that was 2007-14 Melbourne?

It's precisely why someone like Sheezel or Larkey or LDU would look around and think "what would my career/life be like if I was playing for [insert probably any other club except Hawthorn or West Coast]". 

[darkhorse72 1,925]

Maybe he just looked at the injury list this week and f&*k this, that's a lot of outs with injuries, what happened in their last game?

Aidan Corr (Suspension), Cameron Zurhaar (Injured), Curtis Taylor (Omitted), Darcy Tucker (Injured), Flynn Perez (Injured), Jack Mahony (Injured), Luke Davies-Uniacke (Injured)

On more serious note, if he doesn't come back, North will have real list issues as they'll have to pay well over to keep players.