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CHANGES: Rd 22 vs Carlton

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  On 06/08/2022 at 23:40, Mel Bourne said:

There was no problem bringing the ball to ground (I love this term for “dropping marks”) on Friday, and rarely were Pickett or Spargo to be found. 

I think Darcy Moore looked pretty good

 
  On 07/08/2022 at 07:10, —coach— said:

Hmmm let’s see:

- high profile player

- possible for the brownlow

- plays for a team the AFL desperately want in finals

Will get off for sure.

Nah there’s not way he doesn’t get atleast one game. Deserves more but will get the minimum 

  On 07/08/2022 at 07:57, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Nah there’s not way he doesn’t get atleast one game. Deserves more but will get the minimum 

He left the ground bumped him in the head and he's concussed, must get a week at least.

 
  On 07/08/2022 at 04:21, dimmy said:

This kid is still learning . Let us celebrate that he is actually playing at the level he is.

Our hassle is that TMac (who some people bagged when he is there) is a pretty important cog in our fwd line in that :

  • He is quick
  • He runs in straight lines with momentum
  • Is a good Pack Mark
  • and importantly is an accurate kick for goal

Applicants should apply !!!

Is there anyone on the list who can supply this.?  Somebody, but somebody must move & present inside the 45 degree angle, then our goal kicking will improve. Deep fwd pocket shots do not have a high success rate.

Yeh, but we miss him (or a similar player !!)

  On 05/08/2022 at 12:54, Abyssal said:

ABN

He has all the attributes of a Cattle dog.

What’s wrong with cattle dogs?

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      On 05/08/2022 at 13:49, titan_uranus said:

    The forward line laid 8 tackles from 65 inside 50s (compared to their 18 from 41).

    Too many inside 50s rebounded.

    The forward line has problems, but perhaps not the ones being discussed here.

    But yes, as a general concept I agree with you that things are wrong if we're conceding 96 points (albeit this week that was contributed to in part by their good accuracy of 15.6).

    This is exactly the problem. By locking it in there, it sets up up the defence upfield, thats our gameplan. Forwards need a rocket.

    Oh and I never want to see Ben Brown in the last line of defence ever again.

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    In: Harmes

    Out: Sparrow

    Really frustrated that Weideman didn’t lift last week. He was playing for a spot in our finals 22 and if that’s not enough motivation, I’m not sure what else would do it. But boy we really need another tall up forward. I think we need to blood JVR or give Weideman one last chance, replacing Melksham. 

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      On 06/08/2022 at 23:11, chook fowler said:

    I think Jordon would be one of the first picked. He is turning one of the best wingman in the competition 

    he is a momentum killer takes too long and misses the best first option in my view happy to rest him for Harmes

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      On 07/08/2022 at 18:36, Nairobi_Demon said:

    In: Harmes

    Out: Sparrow

    Really frustrated that Weideman didn’t lift last week. He was playing for a spot in our finals 22 and if that’s not enough motivation, I’m not sure what else would do it. But boy we really need another tall up forward. I think we need to blood JVR or give Weideman one last chance, replacing Melksham. 

    JVR should have been played weeks ago Get Bowey back too! Read riot act to smalls in forward line zero tackles Seriously !!!

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      On 07/08/2022 at 18:36, Nairobi_Demon said:

    In: Harmes

    Out: Sparrow

    Really frustrated that Weideman didn’t lift last week. He was playing for a spot in our finals 22 and if that’s not enough motivation, I’m not sure what else would do it. But boy we really need another tall up forward. I think we need to blood JVR or give Weideman one last chance, replacing Melksham. 

    Freo game might have been the final hoorah (bar injury to BB) for the Weid this season.

    The game for blooding JVR was against Port and then the following match against Freo.  He may not have been ready to hold down a spot but we'll never know now.  Opportunity lost.  Dissapointing we keep going back to the same inconsistent well to players that aren't quite up to it so often.

    Chandler should have also been given a chance in the Port game off the bench.

    Edited by Demon Dynasty

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      On 07/08/2022 at 21:37, Kent said:

    he is a momentum killer takes too long and misses the best first option in my view happy to rest him for Harmes

    100% ... solid footballer behind the ball but allows the opp to get back and set up far too often.  Usually always stops and props.  Old school footy.

    One of the keys to our success last season was Gus playing wing/HF.  Dont mind him in the middle but would let Harmes and Gus work that through between them.

    Would also bring Dunstan in for a look in these last few matches for Sparrow.

    Our lack of speed on transistion off HB is playing right into the opp's hands and killing our chances of converting up forward.

    We aint winning a PF let alone a GF with Saturday's line up.

    Without looking at stats, it felt like our repeat I50 stoppages count wasn't too bad. The question is, how can we lock the ball in the 50 for longer without oppositions working it out of there too easily? Is it a lack of forward pressure? Lack of height? If we kicked a bit straighter are we even talking about these problems? I dunno, it's Mon morning and I don't feel well. 

      On 07/08/2022 at 18:36, Nairobi_Demon said:

    In: Harmes

    Out: Sparrow

    Really frustrated that Weideman didn’t lift last week. He was playing for a spot in our finals 22 and if that’s not enough motivation, I’m not sure what else would do it. But boy we really need another tall up forward. I think we need to blood JVR or give Weideman one last chance, replacing Melksham. 

    Agree...too early for JVR.  I cant believe im saying this but Weid in but let him play at 2nd tall in fwd line - it wont happen - Melk will stay

    Out -  Sparrow, Hunt, Melksham

    In - Harmes, Bowey, Weid 

    Hunt can play some real handy games but gee there's some games where all you see him do is run around in circles. I know it's not the most popular idea but maybe a stint up forward just to change things up? Ran an opponent ragged and create some space up there for the other forward to work in? Just spitballing. 

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    Cripps will not get off. Will be 2 weeks minimum - there is plenty of precedent here, he left the ground and made head high contact.

    Be weary of the wounded animal in Carlton. They are a little underseige atm with injures and form. 

    I'd look at Hunt to neutralize Saad off HB to limit their ball movement. May to McKay and Petty to Curnow. I'd expect Silvangi to play a defensive job on Lever, but otherwise those matchups are pretty even-steven. 

    Oliver will probably go head-to-head with Kennedy and get Harmes to do a run-with on Walsh. 

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      On 07/08/2022 at 23:55, CYB said:

    Cripps will not get off. Will be 2 weeks minimum - there is plenty of precedent here, he left the ground and made head high contact.

    Be weary of the wounded animal. 

    I'd look at Hunt to neutralize Saad off HB to limit their ball movement. May to McKay and Petty to Curnow. I'd expect Silvangi to play a defensive job on Lever, but otherwise those matchups are pretty even-steven. 

    Oliver will probably go head-to-head with Kennedy and get Harmes to do a run-with on Walsh. 

    Hope you're right ... he certainly shouldn't. 

    But not so sure about that.

    Cripps out would be handy but after saying that with Adams I'm not sure this is a healthy mindset to have.

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    My 2 cents..

    Hibbo, Hunt, May, Lever, et al.. were let down again by our inability to defend the ball coming out of our F50 because of out putrid and dumb entries. So they all deserve less critical analysis than others..

    It does my head in that we are still talking about f50 entries.. the coaches and players are culpable for this.. they are not learning and its repeat behaviour that makes me think they dont put as much capital on it as we do as fans. Its disgraceful that this mechanics of our game has not been rectified or that it keeps creeping back.. lazy, dumb stubborn? not sure, maybe all 3.

     

    Anyway, changes.

    In: Harmes

    Out: ANB - (sub) 

     

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    Did anyone else see the stat on the screen the other night that in 2022, we are 17th for pressure? Whether it meant pressure acts, around the ball or in the forward line I'm not sure. But is damn right lazy and we wont win a thing unless that improves, especially in the F50.


    Selection will be very interesting this week.  Will we stick with the same structure - one tall forward plus Melky as a defensive mid size, Angus in the middle rather than back; and if we do, will we stick with the same personnel to execute it?

    I think we've been exposed by 3rd talls forwards against the Dogs' JUH 5.0 and the Pies' Ash Johnson 4.0.  We've held their key forwards well but the 3rd tall has gotten away and kicked very accurately.  This is somehow related to Jake Lever's role.

    We're lacking composure when the ball hits the ground inside forward 50 and Jamie Elliott took full advantage.  We did defend the small playmakers well - Elliott's goals were not the result of making the play and Ginnivan was not a factor.  The balance is not quite right though.

    We do need to change things up from last year and we now have a strategy to handball through traffic, if we want to play that way then inevitably, because of his role, ANB is going to get involved in a lot of chains.  He's the anti-Clarrie in that sense, he will always be tackled without getting a clean disposal.  That does usually results in a stoppage which is not a disaster, but I'm sure that's not the intent.  In high pressure games Alex is an asset with his pressure and a liability with the ball - we need to address this.

    I think Goodwin is generally conservative, but he was definitely unhappy on Friday night.

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      On 08/08/2022 at 00:28, Demon3 said:

    My 2 cents..

    Hibbo, Hunt, May, Lever, et al.. were let down again by our inability to defend the ball coming out of our F50 because of out putrid and dumb entries. So they all deserve less critical analysis than others..

    It does my head in that we are still talking about f50 entries.. the coaches and players are culpable for this.. they are not learning and its repeat behaviour that makes me think they dont put as much capital on it as we do as fans. Its disgraceful that this mechanics of our game has not been rectified or that it keeps creeping back.. lazy, dumb stubborn? not sure, maybe all 3.

     

    Anyway, changes.

    In: Harmes

    Out: ANB - (sub) 

     

    Does my head the amount of times we're streaming towards goal, I'm thinking we're bound to score here and the next minute the ball is coming back the other way.

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    This could be a close game, Carlton with the worst form in the top eight playing the worst faders in the eight. 

     
      On 08/08/2022 at 02:03, SFebes said:

    Did anyone else see the stat on the screen the other night that in 2022, we are 17th for pressure? Whether it meant pressure acts, around the ball or in the forward line I'm not sure. But is damn right lazy and we wont win a thing unless that improves, especially in the F50.

    We need to improve, but I'm sick of seeing this stat and not the full list of 18 clubs ranked by pressure. it's just a cherry picked champion data headline for fox footy from 1-2 months ago at this point that get bandied about by all talking heads. I want to CD to show us the context of it v our rivals: Where do Geel, Syd, Coll, Freo, Bris all rank in pressure?

    How does our pressure rank in the past two weeks? Month? etc

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      On 06/08/2022 at 22:48, spirit of norm smith said:

    ANB stays in?  One good goal in the last. New name is “Captain fumbles “ and he often turns back into trouble. He definitely should be on the block as should Sparrow.  Spargo earned a reprieve by his Freo outing. 
     

    outs : Sparrow ANB Melksham 

    In:  JVR, Harmes, Chandler

    Spargo does not get the ball enough orhit the scoreboard enough. Out he goes for Chandler. Melksham is not the now nor the future, he goes out for Smith. Any one of Jordan, ANB , or Rivers or Hibbo for Harmes


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