On 21/09/2022 at 01:09, JimmyGadson said:

Wouldn't mind at the club making an offer to Jack Bowes, he has a lot of what we're missing and he's in a great age bracket.

I think there's a position for him to play wing with his ball use, composure and clean hands being a strength and he's got good height and is strong above his head so folding back to intercept ala Gus is no issue.

These are the moves I wish the club would make.

Harmes and Jordon on a wing just does my head in. We just simply need to add some other components to our midfield mix.

 

Former top 10 pick and ready to go.

Would happily give up a pick between 10-20 for him.

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Edited September 21, 20222 yr by JimmyGadson

  On 21/09/2022 at 01:21, JimmyGadson said:

Wouldn't have to, is a FA!

Are you sure? Haven't seen him on any lists.

An article I read says he's contracted for 2 years.

  On 21/09/2022 at 01:23, Action Jackson said:

Are you sure? Haven't seen him on any lists.

An article I read says he's contracted for 2 years.

Yep I'm wrong, thought I read "explore free agency" but it's "explore trade options".

Still would like him.

  On 21/09/2022 at 01:09, JimmyGadson said:

Wouldn't mind at the club making an offer to Jack Bowes, he has a lot of what we're missing and he's in a great age bracket.

I think there's a position for him to play wing with his ball use, composure and clean hands being a strength and he's got good height and is strong above his head so folding back to intercept ala Gus is no issue.

These are the moves I wish the club would make.

Harmes and Jordon on a wing just does my head in. We just simply need to add some other components to our midfield mix.

 

Is Bowes a winger though? Plus he's on a good contract and the Suns are willing to let him go for cap relief. I don't see us being in a position to add too much from a salary perspective.

Menegola from the Cats is someone I would look at if we are chasing a winger. He is also contracted, but it would be hard for the Cats to keep him if he seeks a trade, particularly if he misses out on Saturday.

  On 21/09/2022 at 00:29, Mel Bourne said:

I was on the Collingwood FC Reddit page last night (reading an article about Grundy) and noticed this exchange between two

TWO picks AND JVR??

Methinks these two are sharing the same crack pipe, right?

  On 21/09/2022 at 01:09, JimmyGadson said:

Wouldn't mind at the club making an offer to Jack Bowes, he has a lot of what we're missing and he's in a great age bracket.

I think there's a position for him to play wing with his ball use, composure and clean hands being a strength and he's got good height and is strong above his head so folding back to intercept ala Gus is no issue.

These are the moves I wish the club would make.

Harmes and Jordon on a wing just does my head in. We just simply need to add some other components to our midfield mix.

 

Good spot up Jimmy. Thought his 2021 season was really good and he uses it very well with decent dash and can play a run-with role. These are the kind of guys GC should be building a team around yet they keep losing them and wonder why they can't move forward. 

  On 21/09/2022 at 01:32, Fat Tony said:

Is Bowes a winger though? Plus he's on a good contract and the Suns are willing to let him go for cap relief. I don't see us being in a position to add too much from a salary perspective.

Menegola from the Cats is someone I would look at if we are chasing a winger. He is also contracted, but it would be hard for the Cats to keep him if he seeks a trade, particularly if he misses out on Saturday.

Were Jordon, Harmes or Brayshaw?

I think his attributes would be of better use in that position than the above three names given our need for ball use and composure under pressure.

We need a release player in that area of the ground. A player who can just set the next play up by hitting a target in a dangerous position. None of the players we have there can do that. Langdon's running ability is the only reason he plays on that opposite wind, his ball use is extremely dodgy and under pressure it's horrendous. And as good as Gus was defensively with his ability to cover, he similarly butches the ball and makes simple errors.

We need some class there in the Steele Sidebottom mould. And Bowes is that.

Gus and Jordan have learnt the defensive running patterns that is required to play on that members wing, Bowes would have no trouble with that. But he brings a completely different skill set and one we need.

Edited September 21, 20222 yr by JimmyGadson

  On 21/09/2022 at 01:44, JimmyGadson said:

Were Jordon, Harmes or Brayshaw?

I think his attributes would be of better use in that position than the above three names given our need for ball use and composure under pressure.

We need a release player in that area of the ground. A player who can just set the next play up by hitting a target in a dangerous position. None of the players we have there can do that. Langdon's running ability is the only reason he plays on that opposite wind, his ball use is extremely dodgy and under pressure it's horrendous. And as good as Gus was defensively with his ability to cover, he similarly butches the ball and makes simple errors.

We need some class there in the Steele Sidebottom mould. And Bowes is that.

Gus and Jordan have learnt the defensive running patterns that is required to play on that members wing, Bowes would have no trouble with that. But he brings a completely different skill set and one we need.

Our whole game plan has been developed because 1) we had only one true winger; and 2) we wanted the opposition to kick it long to Max.

I think you are bang on that we should be looking to get another skilful, running player on the other wing. But I am not sure Bowes is that player (there is a reason he could not get a game at GCS) and I doubt we will want to pay him as much money as he is on. Jordon, Harmes or Brayshaw would be better IMO. Hopefully Woewodin, Bowey or Howes can also develop and fill the gap.

  On 21/09/2022 at 01:44, JimmyGadson said:

Were Jordon, Harmes or Brayshaw?

I think his attributes would be of better use in that position than the above three names given our need for ball use and composure under pressure.

We need a release player in that area of the ground. A player who can just set the next play up by hitting a target in a dangerous position. None of the players we have there can do that. Langdon's running ability is the only reason he plays on that opposite wind, his ball use is extremely dodgy and under pressure it's horrendous. And as good as Gus was defensively with his ability to cover, he similarly butches the ball and makes simple errors.

We need some class there in the Steele Sidebottom mould. And Bowes is that.

Gus and Jordan have learnt the defensive running patterns that is required to play on that members wing, Bowes would have no trouble with that. But he brings a completely different skill set and one we need.

I think we already got a pretty natural winger in Bowey.  Lovely kick, clean ball handling skills, has both an offensive and defensive side to his game....Could be great linkman between defense and attack.  Just not sure Goodwin has the nous to try it.    He tried Spargo there a few times which looked horrible.   

Bowey must be in our team somewhere next year whatever the case.   He has a unique skillset that we don't have very much of.   Little Woey looks like he has an extreme tank and lovely skills for maybe another winger going forward.  

  On 21/09/2022 at 01:19, Action Jackson said:

Former top 10 pick and ready to go.

Would happily give up a pick between 10-20 for him.

20-30**

Fascinating what happens now the dockers boys (Tucker and Logue) who chose North as there preferred club to be traded to.  

If Clarkson goes, would you still want to go there?  If not, do they stay?  Does this impact the ability to trade for Jackson with less room in the cap and less draft picks potentially.

  On 21/09/2022 at 03:11, NeveroddoreveN said:

I think we already got a pretty natural winger in Bowey.  Lovely kick, clean ball handling skills, has both an offensive and defensive side to his game....Could be great linkman between defense and attack.  Just not sure Goodwin has the nous to try it.    He tried Spargo there a few times which looked horrible.   

Bowey must be in our team somewhere next year whatever the case.   He has a unique skillset that we don't have very much of.   Little Woey looks like he has an extreme tank and lovely skills for maybe another winger going forward.  

Bowey could be an option on wing but the question is whether or not someone like Jordon is a better all round winger

Woey has shown some good signs and is a better than average user of the football - his challenge is to get it more of it - also seems a bit one paced  

  On 21/09/2022 at 04:09, Sydee said:

Bowey could be an option on wing but the question is whether or not someone like Jordon is a better all round winger

Woey has shown some good signs and is a better than average user of the football - his challenge is to get it more of it - also seems a bit one paced  

Personally I think Bowey is too small to play wing, but if he can develop the tank you never know.  I'd like to see Taj developed into a small lockdown defender in the Nev Jetta, Matty Whelan mould.  He has clean skills, he's tough and disciplined and from the little I've seen he seems to make good decisions. 

  On 21/09/2022 at 05:29, grazman said:

Personally I think Bowey is too small to play wing, but if he can develop the tank you never know.  I'd like to see Taj developed into a small lockdown defender in the Nev Jetta, Matty Whelan mould.  He has clean skills, he's tough and disciplined and from the little I've seen he seems to make good decisions. 

Interesting idea and maybe worth a go but I'd question if he has the leg speed to play that role 

I know Jetta wasn't exactly quick but he managed to read the game better than anyone which helped compensate - I'd suggest towards the end his lack of pace really became his enemy

  On 21/09/2022 at 05:29, grazman said:

Personally I think Bowey is too small to play wing, but if he can develop the tank you never know.  I'd like to see Taj developed into a small lockdown defender in the Nev Jetta, Matty Whelan mould.  He has clean skills, he's tough and disciplined and from the little I've seen he seems to make good decisions. 

Why would you waste a player with clean skills in such a nothing position!

Will be interesting to see if the Clarkson/Fagan situation has any effect on players moving to those clubs and others this trade period......

  On 21/09/2022 at 06:59, SFebes said:

Will be interesting to see if the Clarkson/Fagan situation has any effect on players moving to those clubs and others this trade period......

i think a lot of us are thinking the same

  On 21/09/2022 at 06:29, adonski said:

Why would you waste a player with clean skills in such a nothing position!

Can you list all the nothing positions for me please?  It's the first time I've heard that being a small lockdown defender referred to like that.  

  On 21/09/2022 at 02:35, Fat Tony said:

But I am not sure Bowes is that player (there is a reason he could not get a game at GCS) and I doubt we will want to pay him as much money as he is on..

He had a shoulder injury in January this year that required surgery which kept him out for four months.

He played 5 games towards the back half of the year.

He played 19 games in 2021 and was a mainstay in the team in the years preceding with around 15 games a year.

I hope we are exploring what getting Bowes might take. Can play, good size for a versatile half back/wing, can kick and moves well. Good age for our list and being Suns are trying to salary dump make not cost much in trade. 

With the talk of a salary dump at Gold Coast, my ears pricked up when I heard Jeremy sharps name mentioned today on SEN. Remembering before he was injured last year he was looking like a top class wingman in the making. Would love to see us at least dip a toe in the water and do our due diligence on him. 

  On 21/09/2022 at 10:49, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

I hope we are exploring what getting Bowes might take. Can play, good size for a versatile half back/wing, can kick and moves well. Good age for our list and being Suns are trying to salary dump make not cost much in trade. 

My understanding is that clubs that will take on Bowes and his contract in full will likely receive a pick, most likely a 2nd rounder. Akin to the Brodie trade last year in which freo got him and pick 19 with some later swaps.

No idea about how tight our salary cap space is for this to be a realistic chance but I would suggest it's unlikely.

Saw Rendell mentioned Cam Rayner as a possible trade, in my opinion he’s a type of player we lack. 

I love Spargo as much as anyone but Rayner on his flank would be a serious upgrade

I also acknowledge it won’t happen

Edited September 21, 20222 yr by BW511

  On 21/09/2022 at 11:03, The end is nigh said:

With the talk of a salary dump at Gold Coast, my ears pricked up when I heard Jeremy sharps name mentioned today on SEN. Remembering before he was injured last year he was looking like a top class wingman in the making. Would love to see us at least dip a toe in the water and do our due diligence on him. 

We interviewed him twice in 2019 before the draft, so would not be surprised if we remained interested