Clayton Oliver: A Demon for Life

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24 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

8.00am.

Still nothing on AFL website on Oliver's contract, yet lots of articles on minor selection decisions.  Barely rates a mention on Fox and the Age web sites .

Arguable the best player and the most sort after if OOC, signs for life and it isn't news?  Not Big news!

He is chronically underappreciated.  He deserves far more recognition and accolades.

It’s only news when players are weighing up their options. That creates lots of clicks. Clarry extending 18 months out, with no fanfare, is no good for the journos or media. 
they’re getting plenty of mileage out of doggas situation though.

[Jaded No More 59,791]

9 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Brayshaw shared this on social media (as well as other recent signings) which says he is staying.

So has Jackson

[layzie 30,247]

Wonder if their agents told them to do that to maintain PR veneer. 

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17 hours ago, hemingway said:

Errr, I mean the 4th Estate. Where’s my proof reader. That’s what happens when your dead. 

Come on Hemingway. Stop blaming your proof reader. A missing question mark and the wrong use of "your", both in the same post. You are better than this.

Edited June 30, 2022 by La Dee-vina Comedia

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1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

8.00am.

Still nothing on AFL website on Oliver's contract, yet lots of articles on minor selection decisions.  Barely rates a mention on Fox and the Age web sites .

Arguable the best player and the most sort after if OOC, signs for life and it isn't news?  Not Big news!

He is chronically underappreciated.  He deserves far more recognition and accolades.

Edit. Refers to AFL 'Home' page of their website. 

Let them.  It's to their own detriment - idiots. 

[Dr. Gonzo 22,786]

1 hour ago, 1964_2 said:

And you have Kane Cornes saying he has “got one over Melb” by making us take the risk of a long term deal.

Nearly time to stop consuming any footy media, and just watch games. 
 

I'm pretty much at that point now. I'll watch on the couch and first crack but usually on delay so I can skip the rubbish. 360 occasionally but skip most parts that aren't about us (or about Essendon imploding).

So much better when you're not consuming the rubbish commentary that goes along with the game m.

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17 hours ago, hemingway said:

It’s the way many of us feel who have moved away from their home base. Living in Japan, how do you feel about this issue? 

With respect Mr. Hemingway, you can hardly compare living in Japan and feeling homesick for Melbourne to living in Melbourne and feeling homesick for Perth. Melbourne and Perth are IN THE SAME COUNTRY. 

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2 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

With respect Mr. Hemingway, you can hardly compare living in Japan and feeling homesick for Melbourne to living in Melbourne and feeling homesick for Perth. Melbourne and Perth are IN THE SAME COUNTRY. 

most western oztrayans would dispute that

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11 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

With respect Mr. Hemingway, you can hardly compare living in Japan and feeling homesick for Melbourne to living in Melbourne and feeling homesick for Perth. Melbourne and Perth are IN THE SAME COUNTRY. 

Perth and the Eastern States are in the same country.

[WalkingCivilWar 34,808]

21 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

 

Methinks there has been a typo 😮in the title.

Methinks it’s an MFC thing. After all, Weid’s nickname is Big Sexy. 

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4 hours ago, 1964_2 said:

And you have Kane Cornes saying he has “got one over Melb” by making us take the risk of a long term deal.

Nearly time to stop consuming any footy media, and just watch games. 
 

Corn doesn’t like any deal over 4 years in length, he has said this too many times, no matter the player!

Risks of long deals:

- player gets bad injury

- player loses form

- player loses interest or motivation

- pay too much, that you have to wear for a lot of years

Benefits:

- lock in great player to your club (Clarrie, Trac, Salem, Viney)

- shows great commitment from player & club, that will positively impact other players

- pay slightly unders initially and over the term. Example if Oliver is $7m for 7 years 

      - Yr1 800

      - Yr 2 850

      - yr 3 900

      - yr 4 1m

      - yr 5 1.1

      - yr 6 1.15M

       - yr 7 1.2m

      vs 3 yr deal paying $1.1 or $1.2M per year

    Long term deal frees up $3-400k per annum over those first three years that helps keep Brayshaw & Jackson

 

Basically long term deals are good for club and player unless you are desperate to entice players from other clubs e.g. Polec - North, or club gets bent over Grundy - Pies, or club just gets it wrong.

Demons long term deals have all been sound:

- Trac gun player, best 5 in league

- Clarry best player in league as judged by coaches votes last year and every chance to do it again

- Salem underated by other club supporters, but GF just highlighted how good he is 

the above 3 great mates that commitments positively influenced by one another

- Viney stayed for unders due to 5 year term

Congrats to Demons list management and fully expecting Brayshaw & Jackson to sign.

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3 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I'm pretty much at that point now. I'll watch on the couch and first crack but usually on delay so I can skip the rubbish. 360 occasionally but skip most parts that aren't about us (or about Essendon imploding).

So much better when you're not consuming the rubbish commentary that goes along with the game m.

Before I got kayo 3 years back, for years i religiously watched footy classified (and occasionally Monday's experts on 7 though that was execrable).

But really have almost completely stopped watching free to air TV, so that routine stopped.

Have tried to watch fc a few times in the interim, but can't stand Sam McClure, so stopped.

And for a relatively recently retired coach, Ross Lyon provides nothing of value.

This is a supposed expert who, despite our barnstorming form coming into the finals, was sure the lions would beat us in the semi last season, was even more sure the cats would beat us in the prelim. And I think tipped the dogs to win. 

Since I've had kayo, until this season, id watch every episode of 360, on tbe couch and first crack. 

It is probably partly due to the fact we don't get discussed much this season, despite being the benchmark team, but like you doc I find myself either nor bothering to watch or skipping through to any snippets that are vaguely of interst.

The fox shows are all increasingly a joke.

Wheatley and robbo are just weird.  It's like watching a condescending pastoral care worker humouring a dementia patient.

I like montagna, but like not forgetting Lyons stupdidy, we should not forget he suggested just two weeks ago on first crack that the dees were a chance of missing finals.

Yes I know he was just creating some click worthy noise, but he wasn't joking and the first crack is supposedly all about a deeper analysis of the game.

I mean c'mon, the dees miss the finals?

When he said that, sportsbet had us at $1.04 to make the finals (one win later, we are now $1.01) and something like $20 to miss finals (now $31). 

And forget David King. He was all freo are not the real deal - they beat us and suddenly they are the real deal, and lose to the blues and he is off them again 

King was also big on the lions, even after their loss to the hawks in round 10 or whenever that was, even though it highlighted their big defensive problems (he said after that game that it was a blip and was a Mulligan given it was in tassie).

Roll forward a few weeks and he is off the lions, because of, you guessed it, their big defensive problems.

I know it shouldn't, but it does my head in.

 

Edited July 1, 2022 by binman

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49 minutes ago, binman said:

Wheatley and robbo are just weird.  It's like watching a condescending pastoral care worker humouring a dementia patient.

 

Magnificent!

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1 hour ago, binman said:

Wheatley and robbo are just weird.  It's like watching a condescending pastoral care worker humouring a dementia patient.

i applaud you good sir

gold commentary

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Of all current AFL players, Oliver has the second longest streak of continuous games with 125, but a fair way back from the leader, who is Jack Crisp on 177. Petracca comes in 4th with 97 (Goldstein is on 101). 

Then it gets tricky. Elephant stamp for anyone who can identify the next three Melbourne players on the list. 

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Best Melbourne player ever when it's all said and done. Absolute superstar who gets better every game. Been consistently outstanding since he first had his debut. An absolute joy to be able to watch Clarry for another 8 years. 

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3 hours ago, binman said:

Before I got kayo 3 years back, for years i religiously watched footy classified (and occasionally Monday's experts on 7 though that was execrable).

But really have almost completely stopped watching free to air TV, so that routine stopped.

Have tried to watch fc a few times in the interim, but can't stand Sam McClure, so stopped.

And for a relatively recently retired coach, Ross Lyon provides nothing of value.

This is a supposed expert who, despite our barnstorming form coming into the finals, was sure the lions would beat us in the semi last season, was even more sure the cats would beat us in the prelim. And I think tipped the dogs to win. 

Since I've had kayo, until this season, id watch every episode of 360, on tbe couch and first crack. 

It is probably partly due to the fact we don't get discussed much this season, despite being the benchmark team, but like you doc I find myself either nor bothering to watch or skipping through to any snippets that are vaguely of interst.

The fox shows are all increasingly a joke.

Wheatley and robbo are just weird.  It's like watching a condescending pastoral care worker humouring a dementia patient.

I like montagna, but like not forgetting Lyons stupdidy, we should not forget he suggested just two weeks ago on first crack that the dees were a chance of missing finals.

Yes I know he was just creating some click worthy noise, but he wasn't joking and the first crack is supposedly all about a deeper analysis of the game.

I mean c'mon, the dees miss the finals?

When he said that, sportsbet had us at $1.04 to make the finals (one win later, we are now $1.01) and something like $20 to miss finals (now $31). 

And forget David King. He was all freo are not the real deal - they beat us and suddenly they are the real deal, and lose to the blues and he is off them again 

King was also big on the lions, even after their loss to the hawks in round 10 or whenever that was, even though it highlighted their big defensive problems (he said after that game that it was a blip and was a Mulligan given it was in tassie).

Roll forward a few weeks and he is off the lions, because of, you guessed it, their big defensive problems.

I know it shouldn't, but it does my head in.

 

Wheatley and robbo are just weird.  It's like watching a condescending pastoral care worker humouring a dementia patient.

Binman .... those 2 sentences alone will surely see that post winning the post of the year award.

Those footy shows don't come close to your podcasts.

As for King, given the way he wibble wobbles, he would be an ideal host for a new show "AFL 180". (FWIW I can remember when he was player and attended my son's Auskick (late 90s). Surprisingly he was really good with the kids. ) 

Lyon (both of them) are morons.

The Ross variety thought that the Dogs would win the 2021 flag because Goodie was coaching from the bench, putting him at a disadvantage.

The Garry variety simply prattles on, particularly when providing his 'special' comments during matches. 

I used to think that Jonathan Brown was a meathead. I was wrong; he clearly isn't. I respect him. He is one of the few that is like Mr Ed ... he only speaks when he's got something to say. For example, he came right out and said that the Saints don't have enough top end talent. I don't mind Reiwoldt either ... that's Nick, not his odious cousin.

I don't mind Montagna either. He was totally on the Dees last year.

 

 

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The only show I can tolerate is On The Couch, and solely because of Brown and Riewoldt.

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4 hours ago, binman said:

Wheatley and robbo are just weird.  It's like watching a condescending pastoral care worker humouring a dementia patient.

The kind of deep analysis all other channels lack. Bravo

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On 6/30/2022 at 5:18 PM, hemingway said:

Colin you were on track but let your petty annoyances about appearance come to the surface. 

The stuff about the moustache is more urine extraction if anything.

On 6/30/2022 at 5:18 PM, hemingway said:

 He can be happy here and have lots of footy mates but ultimately I suspect he feels disconnected from Perth. It’s the way many of us feel who have moved away from their home base. Living in Japan, how do you feel about this issue? 

I'm probably not the best to ask about this. I've lived here for about 12 years, so my bed is basically made. My life is in Japan.

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22 hours ago, picket fence said:

As much as I love Clarrie, Rinse, Repeat Rince Repeat, Robbie if he had played with Essendrug or Dawks would have been the greatest of the greats which Oliver is already and Rob sharing a lofty Podium!!🤩

BOTH OUT AND OUT STARS

Robbie was like a graceful Gazelle running across the ground. Beautifully balanced on both sides of his body. 
 

Clarry is a thundering V8 that just keeps going. A machine 

Both brilliant and just as effective as each other

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3 hours ago, Simon Port said:

Best Melbourne player ever when it's all said and done. Absolute superstar who gets better every game. Been consistently outstanding since he first had his debut. An absolute joy to be able to watch Clarry for another 8 years. 

As good as Oliver is, "ever" might be a stretch. There are a heap of players in the 1940's - 1960's who most of us never got to see who would challenge the entire Flower/Oliver debate. La Fontaine, Norm Smith, Cordner, Barassi. 

But he is pretty darn good. 

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4 minutes ago, Maldonboy38 said:

As good as Oliver is, "ever" might be a stretch. There are a heap of players in the 1940's - 1960's who most of us never got to see who would challenge the entire Flower/Oliver debate. La Fontaine, Norm Smith, Cordner, Barassi. 

But he is pretty darn good. 

Exactly. 

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19 hours ago, binman said:

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Wheatley and robbo are just weird.  It's like watching a condescending pastoral care worker humouring a dementia patient.”

Have posted on BigFooty and been a reader and appreciative podcast listener on D’Land for many years. This comment from Binman just forced me to join and post for the first time - absolute quality, well done!

 

 

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12 hours ago, Maldonboy38 said:

As good as Oliver is, "ever" might be a stretch. There are a heap of players in the 1940's - 1960's who most of us never got to see who would challenge the entire Flower/Oliver debate. La Fontaine, Norm Smith, Cordner, Barassi. 

But he is pretty darn good. 

I like Garry Lyon's approach.

He says Oliver is the best Dees midfielder he has seen.  I agree for sure.

Clarry and Flower are incomparable in each of their positions and roles. As to which one is better - its an academic exercise , like comparing a ruckman and rover.

Individually I think Flower was the more damaging and inspirational esp. given his slight frame. His prefromances in the Big V were a thing of beauty.

But blessed to have seen them both for their full careers.