NON-MFC: Round 15, 2022

[Jaded No More 68,921]

1 minute ago, deebunked said:

I dont want any North players coming over to us.  I dont care if theyre dejected and miserable.

No-one ever gave a stuff about us in the bad times.

North tried to injure Langdon a few weeks ago and some other players too.

North can rot.

Ben Brown is very sad. 

[BDA 22,755]

31 minutes ago, deebunked said:

I dont want any North players coming over to us.  I dont care if theyre dejected and miserable.

I'll have Jason Horne-Francis thank you. Or Nick Larkey

[Lucifers Hero 39,819]

While most commentators had Stewart as BOG.  One coach saw it differently.  He got 4/0.  No guesses who gave him zero.

9 Liam Baker (RICH)
6 Tyson Stengle (GEEL)
5 Mark Blicavs (GEEL)
4 Tom Stewart (GEEL)
2 Cameron Guthrie (GEEL)
2 Tom J Lynch (RICH)
1 Zach Tuohy (GEEL)
1 Jeremy Cameron (GEEL)

[Adam The God 30,260]

11 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

While most commentators had Stewart as BOG.  One coach saw it differently.  He got 4/0.  No guesses who gave him zero.

9 Liam Baker (RICH)
6 Tyson Stengle (GEEL)
5 Mark Blicavs (GEEL)
4 Tom Stewart (GEEL)
2 Cameron Guthrie (GEEL)
2 Tom J Lynch (RICH)
1 Zach Tuohy (GEEL)
1 Jeremy Cameron (GEEL)

Interesting... it's almost as if Scott never hit anyone behind the play. 😉

[Lucifers Hero 39,819]

Is this just media talk or is it allowed.  itewart-urged-to-strike-a-deal-over-prestia-bump-20220627-p5awzr.html

"Geelong defender Tom Stewart ..., as he was urged to strike a deal with the AFL in a bid to avoid an extended suspension."

Chris Scott laid the groundwork straight after the match saying it was a 'bump' which was 'poorly executed'!

Doesn't referral to the Tribunal mean just that?  It will be a total joke if the AFL decide this given they laid the charge in the first place. 

Let a panel decide.  Not the Geelong coach's twin bro and cohorts who love 'secret herbs and spices' decisions.

Edited June 28, 2022 by Lucifers Hero

[deebunked 285]

16 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Ben Brown is very sad. 

I'm referring to the current mob at North not BB who left two years ago. Thats my lame excuse anyway.lol

Actually BB better get going pretty soon or he might get dropped. Its unlikely  but he was dropped a few times during '21.

[whatwhat say what 22,771]

16 hours ago, deebunked said:

I dont want any North players coming over to us.  I dont care if theyre dejected and miserable.

No-one ever gave a stuff about us in the bad times.

North tried to injure Langdon a few weeks ago and some other players too.

North can rot.

perfect time to plunder em

happened to us when we were down too - rivers, moloney, frawley, sylvia all walked out on us

[Demonstone 22,558]

17 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

"Geelong defender Tom Stewart ..., as he was urged to strike a deal with the AFL in a bid to avoid an extended suspension."

Stewart has nothing to deal with.  He has no leverage in such a confected outcome.

All he can do is plead guilty or not guilty and the answer there is plainly obvious.

[Lucifers Hero 39,819]

3 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Stewart has nothing to deal with.  He has no leverage in such a confected outcome.

All he can do is plead guilty or not guilty and the answer there is plainly obvious.

Of course not. 

He has already admitted he made a poor decision. 

So no deal before pre hearing, imv

They could do a deal, go to the Tribunal and AFL counsel proposes a 'light' penalty in what would amount to a mock hearing.

I wouldn't put anything past the AFL. 

[deebunked 285]

14 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

perfect time to plunder em

happened to us when we were down too - rivers, moloney, frawley, sylvia all walked out on us

North has left a bad taste in my mouth since the days of Ron Casey and his VFL  buddies and their game day massacres over us.

Plundering talent sounds terrific. Lets go for Essendons forward Wright!

North?     uggggh.

 

[DubDee 25,884]

Media is getting stuck into Stewart (rightly so). Robbo wants 5-6 weeks and Whateley states based on precedents 3 weeks is the absolute minimum.  I think it would be a surprise if he got less than 4 weeks

*apologies for quoting Robbo 

[deejammin' 2,370]

On 6/26/2022 at 6:15 PM, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Nine News reporter suggesting Tom Stewart hit will be graded Careless / High / Severe  (not Intentional)

Chris Scott and Cats jawboning efforts having effect... 🤦‍♂️

This is where the rating system gets bizarre, back in the good old days they would at least consider a player’s intention with the action, now it’s a meaningless grading that very rarely gets trotted out. 
The only question should be, “what was Stewart’s ACTUAL intention?”

Was it to get the ball? No

Did Prestia have the ball? No it’s well gone when Stewart opts to bump. EDIT: Thinking more about this if Prestia took possession Stewart would’ve tackled, a bump would be stupid and if Prestia missed the ball most likely Stewart would’ve changed direction to get the ball. Prestia tapping the ball away and leaving himself vulnerable is the only course of action that gets this response from Stewart, I think this makes it far worse.

Was he blocking or shepparding for one of his players? No, Prestia is airborne, out of the play having passed the ball not pressuring. 
 

Was it too late for Stewart to not make contact? No, he clearly could’ve stopped, changed direction or at the least not jumped with his shoulder. 
 

So what was Stewart trying to do? He was clearly trying to hit Dion Prestia, hard, behind the play. Did he mean to knock him out in a VERY dangerous way. Probably not, I doubt any AFL player truly wants to damage a player like that. But this is as close to that as it gets, his only intention is front-on contact on a defenceless player, it’s not something that has been acceptable in AFL footy for quite a while. Scott and co can talk about how remorseful and apologetic Stewart was, but actions define the man, if you genuinely care for your opposition players, don’t intentionally jump into them behind the play. Even if genuine the Scott description and Stewart being apologetic could be more about the penalty than the action itself, Chris Scott’s Cats are guilty of more of these kind of actions than most teams from what I can see, they certainly don’t like getting suspended, but do they genuinely show care for the opposition? Even if Stewart doesn’t hit the head there’s potential for broken ribs, internal damage and Prestia has no way to brace while Stewart has no reason to hit him hard. And he did hit the head, there were some truly horrific potential consequences here, some in the media (Geelong types) say Stewart is unlucky Prestia was knocked out, I’d say he’s lucky Prestia doesn’t have severe ongoing, life changing spinal or brain injury.
 

This is not embellishment, this wasn’t an accident, Stewart is totally and wholly responsible and didn’t take any action to protect Prestia. I think a statement must be made. 6+ weeks. Any less is inviting this kind of thuggery to creep back in. As others have said Gawn or Oliver are in Prestia’s position in the GF, is 3-4 weeks enough to discourage this happening again? 
 

It’s Geelong, so the penalty will be shockingly mild. But if the AFL is serious about protecting players playing the ball and stamping out thuggery, they have to go hard. This is far worse than Toby Greene’s umpire contact.

 

Edited June 28, 2022 by deejammin'

[Sir Why You Little 37,045]

18 hours ago, deebunked said:

I dont want any North players coming over to us.  I dont care if theyre dejected and miserable.

No-one ever gave a stuff about us in the bad times.

North tried to injure Langdon a few weeks ago and some other players too.

North can rot.

They fixed up TMac

[Redleg 40,926]

2 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

perfect time to plunder em

happened to us when we were down too - rivers, moloney, frawley, sylvia all walked out on us

Only Frawley walked of that group. The others were encouraged to look around.

[Willmoy1947 4,090]

5 hours ago, deejammin' said:

This is where the rating system gets bizarre, back in the good old days they would at least consider a player’s intention with the action, now it’s a meaningless grading that very rarely gets trotted out. 
The only question should be, “what was Stewart’s ACTUAL intention?”

Was it to get the ball? No

Did Prestia have the ball? No it’s well gone when Stewart opts to bump. EDIT: Thinking more about this if Prestia took possession Stewart would’ve tackled, a bump would be stupid and if Prestia missed the ball most likely Stewart would’ve changed direction to get the ball. Prestia tapping the ball away and leaving himself vulnerable is the only course of action that gets this response from Stewart, I think this makes it far worse.

Was he blocking or shepparding for one of his players? No, Prestia is airborne, out of the play having passed the ball not pressuring. 
 

Was it too late for Stewart to not make contact? No, he clearly could’ve stopped, changed direction or at the least not jumped with his shoulder. 
 

So what was Stewart trying to do? He was clearly trying to hit Dion Prestia, hard, behind the play. Did he mean to knock him out in a VERY dangerous way. Probably not, I doubt any AFL player truly wants to damage a player like that. But this is as close to that as it gets, his only intention is front-on contact on a defenceless player, it’s not something that has been acceptable in AFL footy for quite a while. Scott and co can talk about how remorseful and apologetic Stewart was, but actions define the man, if you genuinely care for your opposition players, don’t intentionally jump into them behind the play. Even if genuine the Scott description and Stewart being apologetic could be more about the penalty than the action itself, Chris Scott’s Cats are guilty of more of these kind of actions than most teams from what I can see, they certainly don’t like getting suspended, but do they genuinely show care for the opposition? Even if Stewart doesn’t hit the head there’s potential for broken ribs, internal damage and Prestia has no way to brace while Stewart has no reason to hit him hard. And he did hit the head, there were some truly horrific potential consequences here, some in the media (Geelong types) say Stewart is unlucky Prestia was knocked out, I’d say he’s lucky Prestia doesn’t have severe ongoing, life changing spinal or brain injury.
 

This is not embellishment, this wasn’t an accident, Stewart is totally and wholly responsible and didn’t take any action to protect Prestia. I think a statement must be made. 6+ weeks. Any less is inviting this kind of thuggery to creep back in. As others have said Gawn or Oliver are in Prestia’s position in the GF, is 3-4 weeks enough to discourage this happening again? 
 

It’s Geelong, so the penalty will be shockingly mild. But if the AFL is serious about protecting players playing the ball and stamping out thuggery, they have to go hard. This is far worse than Toby Greene’s umpire contact.

 

This was no glancing blow.The intent was evident after the hit in that his shoulder stayed in place I'm afraid..

[Demonstone 22,558]

Geelong asking for three weeks, AFL want four.

Stewart won't be playing against us.

[sue 9,107]

1 minute ago, Demonstone said:

Geelong asking for three weeks, AFL want four.

Stewart won't be playing against us.

How in hell can his act get only a week or two more than Chandler got for an errant tackle. 

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

ANB was the sacrificial lamb in 2020, still irks me he got 4 weeks for that tackle against the Crows. I like Stewart, but his act doesn’t deserve any less than ANB.

[Demonstone 22,558]

Nibbler copped four weeks for a sling tackle.  It's hard to argue that Stewart's act was not worse.

edit:  *snap DZ

Edited June 28, 2022 by Demonstone

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,777]

AFL askimg for 4

Geelong shaping the narrative started with Scott after the game, angling for 3 on account of Character 

Surely 4 is a lock

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

4 weeks it is, was minimum I would have found fair.

[The heart beats true 18,128]

On 6/25/2022 at 5:00 PM, The heart beats true said:

Stewart deserves four weeks for that! Horrific 

2 minutes after it occurred. Honestly AFL, put me on the pay roll and I’ll get it done in 5 minutes and save your $250k.

[BDA 22,755]

He’s lucky it wasn’t more. He nearly took prestia’s head off!

[dees189227 12,394]

20 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

perfect time to plunder em

happened to us when we were down too - rivers, moloney, frawley, sylvia all walked out on us

Howe walked to. 

[binman 42,984]

On 6/24/2022 at 9:40 PM, 3183 Dee said:

Problem with all this loading business that @binman has brought into the zeitgeist, is that I can’t tell who is genuinely loading and who is, in fact, just [censored].

I know you are (half) joking, but you are right.

Only the teams that view themselves as legitimate contenders for the flag would have loaded during this period to the extent that it could be a big factor in a loss in these few weeks.

That's because their goal is to win the flag. 

Id put the dees, freo, cats, lions, blues and the saints in this category. The swans might include themselves too I guess, though I don't.

All the teams who view just making finals as the goal, are desperate for every win and would see this period as a brilliant chance to take some top 4 scalps.

As would clubs like the bombers, who are not a finals team, but still desperate for any win.

All the teams I mentioned as top 4 teams have struggled in the last few weeks in terms of rhe win loss ratio, with exception of the cats who are the outlier in that they have won their last 5 (albeit until last week, most games were pretty scrappy).

It is worth noting about the cats that their game plan is not as dependent on aerobic fitness as that of the dees, swans and saints, so therefore they are not as impacted by loading in terms of their 'method' being disrupted too badly (unlike us)

I think the lions are much the same, but they have had a much tougher last 5 games than the cats, who didn't play any of the other top 4 contenders, unlike the lions who played the dees, dockers and saints.

In the last 5 games the dees have gone 2 wins - 3 losses, the lions 2w - 3l, the dockers 3w - 2l, the saints 2w - 3l and the swans 3w - 2l.

You dont win a flag in June.

Are the lions as poor as we made them look? I don't think so.

Same goes for the saints.

And I still think freo are our main danger.

Edited June 29, 2022 by binman