NON-MFC: Round 15, 2022

[Lucifers Hero 36,984]

32 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

What's the operational definition of 'careless'? or 'reckless'?

'Reckless' no longer exists.  It is 'careless' or 'deliberate'.

[Lucifers Hero 36,984]

34 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Scott went on and on about what a good guy Stewart is and not once did he say "we all hope Prestia is ok".

Shows you exactly what kind of club Geelong is. Putrid. 

You want to see remorse? Have a look at Chandler's reaction to his tackle. He was almost in tears and he reached out to the opponent to check he was ok. That is true remorse for a far less intentional act! 

A good example of remorse is when Aaron vdb accidently collided with Mihocek.  He texted him to check he was ok.  Then sent a personal apology note and a bottle of wine to Mihocek's partner.

Stewart's and his club's reaction has been selfish and totally self-serving.  Even the 'mea culpa' and 'I'll pay the price' comments were self-serving:  I made a mistake.  But where is the apology!  Prestia's family must have been beside themselves.  Seeing him contorted on the ground was a sickening sight.

That no-one from the club has come out and shown care for Prestia is disgraceful.

Edited June 26, 2022 by Lucifers Hero

[The heart beats true 16,027]

2 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

A good example of remorse is when Aaron vdb accidently collided with Mihocek.  He texted him to check he was ok.  Then sent a personal apology note and a bottle of wine to Mihocek's partner.

Stewart's and his club's reaction has been selfish and totally self-serving.  Even the 'mea culpa' and 'I'll pay the price' comments were self-serving:  I made a mistake.  But where is the apology!  Prestia's family must have been beside themselves.  Seeing him contorted on the ground was a sickening sight.

That no-one from the club has come out and shown care for Prestia is disgraceful.

They said last night on the news that Stewart is friends with Jack Riewoldt, got Prestia’s number from him, and called Dion to apologise and check in on him on Saturday night.

[Lucifers Hero 36,984]

Just now, The heart beats true said:

They said last night on the news that Stewart is friends with Jack Riewoldt, got Prestia’s number from him, and called Dion to apologise and check in on him on Saturday night.

Thank you.  I take back that part of what I said. 

Part of me still feels feel Geelong could have shown more public concern about Prestia's welfare given how vocal they have been about defending Stewart.

[Jibroni 4,019]

I wouldnt mind having a look at Tarryn Thomas if he wants to leave North at seasons end, looks a dejected player atm.

[Damo 2,970]

It seems to me that in big games, a player often gets hurt against Geelong. May had a busted face but Hawkins has clipped many without sanction. "Just clumsy"...  IIRC it happens in 1st or 2nd quarters as well. Most teams play fair nowadays and dont go looking for physical pressure. I think its the coach who creates the flavour on these things as opposed to direct instruction. But then I think the same about the Bulldogs and seeking Free kicks. We are lucky to have Goody. We have Good on our side. :)

[DubDee 20,364]

Stewart has to get at least 4 weeks. There is no defence for what he did and I can’t to hear the arguments for how this was not intentional. 

[Willmoy1947 3,762]

15 hours ago, Megatron said:

And the umpires call for it. Isn’t dropping of the knees and lifting the arm should be called play on? 
Mim positive that dropping of the knees is considered the same as ducking?

Doing that and shaping a GF would be the worst thing to happen to the game.Imagine Carlton Collingwood or Carlton Footscray playing in a GF with the number of fall guys they have..

[Jontee 3,634]

28 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

I wouldnt mind having a look at Tarryn Thomas if he wants to leave North at seasons end, looks a dejected player atm.

I suspect the current norf coach will be gone before his contract expires at the end of 2024.

[Lucifers Hero 36,984]

26 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Doing that and shaping a GF would be the worst thing to happen to the game.Imagine Carlton Collingwood or Carlton Footscray playing in a GF with the number of fall guys they have..

2000 GF dees say 'hello'.

[layzie 28,522]

45 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Thank you.  I take back that part of what I said. 

Part of me still feels feel Geelong could have shown more public concern about Prestia's welfare given how vocal they have been about defending Stewart.

I know Chris Scott isn't popular in these parts but I didn't mind his defence of Stewart. He didn't condone the action and he was expressing how Tom knew instantly it was an awful act.

Glad to hear Stewart has apologised because it was necessary.

Totally get the anger, I just think sometimes if an incident is so out of character that no-one is going to be harder on that person than themself. 

[Lucifers Hero 36,984]

2 minutes ago, layzie said:

I know Chris Scott isn't popular in these parts but I didn't mind his defence of Stewart. He didn't condone the action and he was expressing how Tom knew instantly it was an awful act.

Glad to hear Stewart has apologised because it was necessary.

Totally get the anger, I just think sometimes if an incident is so out of character that no-one is going to be harder on that person than themself. 

Nice of Scott to defend Stewart.  To me it sounded like a well orchestrated 'he is such a good fella' PR campaign.

I would normally agree about 'an accident'.  It was no accident.  Stewart may not have intended to hit him where he did and send him for six but the action was as deliberate as it gets.  An earlier post:

On 6/26/2022 at 8:25 AM, Lucifers Hero said:

Scott says it wasn't deliberate.  I don't think he intended to hurt but the action looked deliberate to me: 

• they were a long way from the ball. 
• Stewart at no time looked at or veered toward the ball. 
• Made a beeline for Prestia.
• Didn't break stride
• Elected to bump (there wasn't even an option to tackle as they were so far from the ball and Prestia hadn't had possession)

At a human level it was sickening to see Prestia's body so contorted when he tried to move and his face so dazed.

Prestia's feet hadn't landed on the ground.  He was total exposed.  Stewart didn't slow down or try to avoid contact.  He wasn't bracing.

The point where Stewart hit Prestia appeared close to where Phil Hughes was hit (on the neck).  Given Prestia's prone body it was no ordinary hit.  If the Tribunal gives any thought 'potential to do damage' they need to make a statement regardless of who it is.

Regardless, of the MRO classification it was highly dangerous.  

[monoccular 16,017]

2 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

The grading means Stewart will be suspended for at least three weeks. Is that correct? It’s just very hard to understand how they operate sometimes .

Does having a full genetic match between a coach and a AFL operations manager have any influence?  Just asking.

[Dee Zephyr 17,310]

20 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Does having a full genetic match between a coach and a AFL operations manager have any influence?  Just asking.

Don’t know about that mono, I was talking about the MRO inconsistencies and they’ve been on show well before B Scott was appointed to his new role. 

[The heart beats true 16,027]

2 hours ago, Jibroni said:

I wouldnt mind having a look at Tarryn Thomas if he wants to leave North at seasons end, looks a dejected player atm.

I heard Noble say in the post match that Tarryn’s Nan died during the week and he wanted to play for her, but found it really difficult to focus during the game. He flew back to his family after the match instead of back to Melbourne.

I kind of find Demon supporters piling onto North a bit confusing. They are essentially us circa 2012-13. We turned out ok.

[daisycutter 28,459]

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Nice of Scott to defend Stewart.  To me it sounded like a well orchestrated 'he is such a good fella' PR campaign.

I would normally agree about 'an accident'.  It was no accident.  Stewart may not have intended to hit him where he did and send him for six but the action was as deliberate as it gets.  An earlier post:

Prestia's feet hadn't landed on the ground.  He was total exposed.  Stewart didn't slow down or try to avoid contact.  He wasn't bracing.

The point where Stewart hit Prestia appeared close to where Phil Hughes was hit (on the neck).  Given Prestia's prone body it was no ordinary hit.  If the Tribunal gives any thought 'potential to do damage' they need to make a statement regardless of who it is.

Regardless, of the MRO classification it was highly dangerous.  

scott said stewart said he "decided to bump"

so the bump was intentional (deliberate) but the high hit was accidental (supposedly)

in my understanding of the mro that makes it intentional (and stewart has admitted such to scott)

[layzie 28,522]

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Nice of Scott to defend Stewart.  To me it sounded like a well orchestrated 'he is such a good fella' PR campaign.

I would normally agree about 'an accident'.  It was no accident.  Stewart may not have intended to hit him where he did and send him for six but the action was as deliberate as it gets.  An earlier post:

Prestia's feet hadn't landed on the ground.  He was total exposed.  Stewart didn't slow down or try to avoid contact.  He wasn't bracing.

The point where Stewart hit Prestia appeared close to where Phil Hughes was hit (on the neck).  Given Prestia's prone body it was no ordinary hit.  If the Tribunal gives any thought 'potential to do damage' they need to make a statement regardless of who it is.

Regardless, of the MRO classification it was highly dangerous.  

Look I can definitely do without the over blown "He's a good guy butter wouldn't melt in his mouth" stuff, maybe the less said from Scott the better, he did labour the point a bit.

When the adrenalin is up and there are split seconds to make decisions then control is diminished. I'm not in any way making excuses for the act, he's clearly run past the ball and connected with a player in mid air. He'll get his right whack and should be punished to the full extent, 4 x weeks minimum in my view. 

I don't want to see coaches turn on players in these moments though, that won't help anyone. 

[dees189227 10,703]

6 hours ago, Damo said:

It seems to me that in big games, a player often gets hurt against Geelong. May had a busted face but Hawkins has clipped many without sanction. "Just clumsy"...  IIRC it happens in 1st or 2nd quarters as well. Most teams play fair nowadays and dont go looking for physical pressure. I think its the coach who creates the flavour on these things as opposed to direct instruction. But then I think the same about the Bulldogs and seeking Free kicks. We are lucky to have Goody. We have Good on our side. :)

Lets not forget Jeff whites horrific injury & Mark Thompson's comments

[Willmoy1947 3,762]

Scott's talk is mainly around beating down the penalty. Hoping for divine intervention. So on and so on.Our whole relevance should be with an eye to how would we handle Oliver out like that. Not happy AFL

Stamp this sh%$ out, on notice..

[whatwhat say what 18,793]

7 hours ago, Jibroni said:

I wouldnt mind having a look at Tarryn Thomas if he wants to leave North at seasons end, looks a dejected player atm.

he and luke davies-uniake are two highly rated players who look like they're a) hating their footballing life and b) played completely out of position currently

would not be opposed to kicking the tyres on either...

[spirit of norm smith 12,843]

Agree. Davies-Uniacke is a gun youngster. Pace and strength.  Contracted until end 2023. Would command $$s if he went out to market and North would probably want a top 10 pick back for him. 
 

[Demonstone 19,050]

16 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

would not be opposed to kicking the tyres on either...

If we snaffled both of them, that would be a very Goodyear.

[monoccular 16,017]

4 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

If we snaffled both of them, that would be a very Goodyear.

We would need to run both pasta good sports psychologist to see why they have not been up to scratch.  Discontent with their current environment vs general indifference or apathy.

[Lucifers Hero 36,984]

7 hours ago, old dee said:

I don't care we have them all covered.

That doesn't sound like the od with a recent return of FCSS.  Or has someone hijacked your account od?☺️

Edited June 27, 2022 by Lucifers Hero

[deebunked 272]

I dont want any North players coming over to us.  I dont care if theyre dejected and miserable.

No-one ever gave a stuff about us in the bad times.

North tried to injure Langdon a few weeks ago and some other players too.

North can rot.