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Gawn -played under duress 

Viney - disposal was haphazard 

Brayshaw - great third quarter

Salem - still finding feet

Lever - played without conviction 

Bowey - schoolboy footballer again

Turner - limited before injury

Petty - was obviously hampered 

Hibberd - not the answer

Oliver - prolific but harmless

Petracca - lost his edge

Langdon - had limited involvement 

Harmes - all or nothing 

B Brown - North was right

Jordon - disposal couldn’t hurt

Neal- Bullen - disposal was amateurish 

Jackson - couldn’t take control 

Spargo - was never dangerous

Sparrow - tried but limited 

Pickett - one noteworthy involvement 

Fritsch - delivery didn’t help

M. Brown - opponents licked lips

 

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I thought hibberd was ok first up. But otherwise agree. 

Geez, the browns, harmes and neal-bullen all need to be upgraded asap.

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9 minutes ago, joeboy said:

Gawn -played under duress 

Viney - disposal was haphazard 

Brayshaw - great third quarter

Salem - still finding feet

Lever - played without conviction 

Bowey - schoolboy footballer again

Turner - limited before injury

Petty - was obviously hampered 

Hibberd - not the answer

Oliver - prolific but harmless

Petracca - lost his edge

Langdon - had limited involvement 

Harmes - all or nothing 

B Brown - North was right

Jordon - disposal couldn’t hurt

Neal- Bullen - disposal was amateurish 

Jackson - couldn’t take control 

Spargo - was never dangerous

Sparrow - tried but limited 

Pickett - one noteworthy involvement 

Fritsch - delivery didn’t help

M. Brown - opponents licked lips

 

Turner limiter, did you watch the game? 

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BBB had a crack, with little help and no crumbing forward at his feet.  Jackson, given his obvious natural call and talent, is more a worry for me.  He needs now to influence a game, when his senior talls go down or are playing hurt.  In my view, he did not do enough, when it mattered.

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Gawn - played under duress (Not at maximum)

Viney - disposal was haphazard (Gives his all)

Brayshaw - great third quarter (Freeo comes calling)

Salem - still finding feet (Will find form)

Lever - played without conviction (What has happened?)

Bowey - schoolboy footballer again (Really missing May)

Turner - limited before injury (Showed positive signs)

Petty - was obviously hampered (Will play 250)

Hibberd - not the answer (Needed the run)

Oliver - prolific but harmless (Handball towards goal)

Petracca - lost his edge (Knee not right?)

Langdon - had limited involvement (Ribs hampering him?)  

Harmes - all or nothing (A September mourn)

B Brown - North was right (2/7 not bad)

Jordon - disposal couldn’t hurt (Not best connector)

Neal- Bullen - disposal was amateurish (Once a month)

Jackson - couldn’t take control (Third year blues)

Spargo - was never dangerous (What has happened?)

Sparrow - tried but limited (Peaked during Granny)

Pickett - one noteworthy involvement (Not covering territory)

Fritsch - delivery didn’t help (Takes too long)

M. Brown - opponents licked lips (Not Cam Pedersen)

K.Chandler - (Joeboy forgot him)

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So how did we stay in the game for so long.????

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Gawn -clearly injured and played under duress 🚑

Viney - hard at the footy. Tackling was superb. Great goal. One of our best

Brayshaw - He put up a wall in defence.  Kicking efficiently.  But ball movements were often too slow.

Salem - not back as yet with little running power  sure handling was ok ☀️

Lever - um. Good then poor then good then poor. Misses his buddy May 🤨

Bowey - was just ok.  Two bad turnovers.  Yes still a young year 2?footballer 🤨

Turner -brave in numerous contests and looked composed before injury👏👏

Petty - top marks again. Withstood numerous forward thrusts. He was obviously hampered but brave  👏👏

Hibberd - steady and steady but this is his last year 😄

Oliver - umm yes️ 4stars today for his contested footy yet at times fumbled and put teammates under pressure. 

Petracca - is he sore or I’ll?  Definitely lost his edge of pace and not running freely. Missed certain goal with shocking fumble in the 3rd. Please find the 2021 Petracca 🤨

Langdon - wide and wide and wide. Once he’s blanketed by another runner, he lapses. Poor today  🤨

Harmes - tough and tough but disposal kills us 👌

B Brown - better but poor 🤨

Jordon - getting better and better. Disposal was very good  

Neal- Bullen - agree that he gets it but his disposal was amateurish 🤮

Jackson - better but still needs to ensure disposal is accurate 😃

Spargo - great 1st half.  Missing again after half time and ineffective 🤨

Sparrow - huge potential. Little to support today 🤮

Pickett - one lucky steal to goal - overall he ran around like a headless chicken but not near goal and not at foot of the pack.  🤮🤮

Fritsch - tried but failed 🤨

M. Brown - will never play AFL again  🤮🤮🤮

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6 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

 

Gawn -clearly injured and played under duress 🚑

Viney - hard at the footy. Tackling was superb. Great goal. One of our best

Brayshaw - He put up a wall in defence.  Kicking efficiently.  But ball movements were often too slow.

Salem - not back as yet with little running power  sure handling was ok ☀️

Lever - um. Good then poor then good then poor. Misses his buddy May 🤨

Bowey - was just ok.  Two bad turnovers.  Yes still a young year 2?footballer 🤨

Turner -brave in numerous contests and looked composed before injury👏👏

Petty - top marks again. Withstood numerous forward thrusts. He was obviously hampered but brave  👏👏

Hibberd - steady and steady but this is his last year 😄

Oliver - umm yes️ 4stars today for his contested footy yet at times fumbled and put teammates under pressure. 

Petracca - is he sore or I’ll?  Definitely lost his edge of pace and not running freely. Missed certain goal with shocking fumble in the 3rd. Please find the 2021 Petracca 🤨

Langdon - wide and wide and wide. Once he’s blanketed by another runner, he lapses. Poor today  🤨

Harmes - tough and tough but disposal kills us 👌

B Brown - better but poor 🤨

Jordon - getting better and better. Disposal was very good  

Neal- Bullen - agree that he gets it but his disposal was amateurish 🤮

Jackson - better but still needs to ensure disposal is accurate 😃

Spargo - great 1st half.  Missing again after half time and ineffective 🤨

Sparrow - huge potential. Little to support today 🤮

Pickett - one lucky steal to goal - overall he ran around like a headless chicken but not near goal and not at foot of the pack.  🤮🤮

Fritsch - tried but failed 🤨

M. Brown - will never play AFL again  🤮🤮🤮

Yeah Gus was fantastic, would have lost the lead a lot sooner had it not been for him. 

Nailed it with Jordon. 

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22 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

 

Gawn -clearly injured and played under duress 🚑

Viney - hard at the footy. Tackling was superb. Great goal. One of our best

Brayshaw - He put up a wall in defence.  Kicking efficiently.  But ball movements were often too slow.

Salem - not back as yet with little running power  sure handling was ok ☀️

Lever - um. Good then poor then good then poor. Misses his buddy May 🤨

Bowey - was just ok.  Two bad turnovers.  Yes still a young year 2?footballer 🤨

Turner -brave in numerous contests and looked composed before injury👏👏

Petty - top marks again. Withstood numerous forward thrusts. He was obviously hampered but brave  👏👏

Hibberd - steady and steady but this is his last year 😄

Oliver - umm yes️ 4stars today for his contested footy yet at times fumbled and put teammates under pressure. 

Petracca - is he sore or I’ll?  Definitely lost his edge of pace and not running freely. Missed certain goal with shocking fumble in the 3rd. Please find the 2021 Petracca 🤨

Langdon - wide and wide and wide. Once he’s blanketed by another runner, he lapses. Poor today  🤨

Harmes - tough and tough but disposal kills us 👌

B Brown - better but poor 🤨

Jordon - getting better and better. Disposal was very good  

Neal- Bullen - agree that he gets it but his disposal was amateurish 🤮

Jackson - better but still needs to ensure disposal is accurate 😃

Spargo - great 1st half.  Missing again after half time and ineffective 🤨

Sparrow - huge potential. Little to support today 🤮

Pickett - one lucky steal to goal - overall he ran around like a headless chicken but not near goal and not at foot of the pack.  🤮🤮

Fritsch - tried but failed 🤨

M. Brown - will never play AFL again  🤮🤮🤮

Excellent effort Spirit.

Joeboy to Bench

I think we must have been at the same game Spirit. A very good , albeit more than 3 word, team summary.

Cue evidence; Spot on about Turner. very impressed and I think the Dees may have found another.

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3 hours ago, joeboy said:

Lever - played without conviction 

Lever’s season has been incredibly disappointing. Whether it’s his ineffectiveness without May or just a form slump, he gets seriously exposed defending 1v1 and can’t seem to capture his intercepting prowess. If he was an anonymous player he would be on the chopping board.

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Having sat in basically  the same seats on the wing of level 2 in the MCC for the last three weeks (thereby having an ideal view), I've been trying to identify what the problem is. Until today,  I thought it was primarily the continuous bombing of the ball to a crowded forward lines - doing the same thing time and time again for the same negative result. However, I think the reason we are put in this position is plainly due to slow ball movement and being too 'cautious', players too scared to take the game on and make mistakes. When we have the ball on the half back line, we try to get the ball forward with 15 metre kicks wide, adding in the odd handball, which simply gives the opposition time to flood back and make it almost impossible to find a free forward. We have no option other than to bomb in and hope - which is what teams did to us last year. On the other hand, opposition teams over the last three weeks have shown positivity towards us, use the 30-40 metre kicks to targets, which simply means by time they get it to their forward line, we don't have the numbers back and they can use space to score. Player for player, it's hard to argue we don't have the most talent in the league, so why we are not taking the game on is simply beyond me. If we don't change this come Thursday week, we'll simply be making up the numbers for the rest of the season, and wasting a very very good list. The 'problem' is fixible - once we do it, it will have immediate effects, we will have far more room and our forwards will all look way more potent - just like that!

My take on today:

Gawn - limited without making any real contribution, due to injury

Viney - Prolific, without being overly damaging 

Brayshaw - Mr Reliable in the backline for three quarters in terms of blocking the opposition movement forward, albeit being 'too careful' when using the ball, hence contributing to slow ball movement

Salem - Reasonable given game two

Lever - Some decent uncontested marks but otherwise a deer in headlights

Bowey - Liability

Turner - A presence and relatively promising before injury

Petty - Restricted but focal 

Hibberd - Classy, poised, encouraging game one

Oliver - Lucky he plays for us!

Petracca - Nothing possessions, clumsy at times

Langdon - Ribs must still be a real problem 

Harmes - Little to commend 

B Brown - Restricted because of congested forward line, but needs to hold marks

Jordon - Sound disposal, but a momentum killer, slowing play down too much, often reverting to 15-20 metre safe kicks

Neal- Bullen - Pathetic 

Jackson - Needs to make a decision on 2023 asap, otherwise 2022 will end up a total waste 

Spargo - same as Jordan description, minus the 'sound disposal' part

Sparrow - Player that has gone the 'most' backwards since 2021

Pickett - Mr Cameo who goes missing 99% of the time 

Fritsch - same as B. Brown description

M. Brown - I was a fan before today

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4 hours ago, joeboy said:

Gawn -played under duress 

Viney - disposal was haphazard 

Brayshaw - great third quarter

Salem - still finding feet

Lever - played without conviction 

Bowey - schoolboy footballer again

Turner - limited before injury

Petty - was obviously hampered 

Hibberd - not the answer

Oliver - prolific but harmless

Petracca - lost his edge

Langdon - had limited involvement 

Harmes - all or nothing 

B Brown - North was right

Jordon - disposal couldn’t hurt

Neal- Bullen - disposal was amateurish 

Jackson - couldn’t take control 

Spargo - was never dangerous

Sparrow - tried but limited 

Pickett - one noteworthy involvement 

Fritsch - delivery didn’t help

M. Brown - opponents licked lips

 

With those comments Joeboy one would think we lost by 120 points. You do react badly to a loss. Happens all the time. Only one player received a positive comment and that was for one quarter only.

 

4 hours ago, DeeZone said:

So how did we stay in the game for so long.????

 

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11 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

 

Gawn -clearly injured and played under duress 🚑

Viney - hard at the footy. Tackling was superb. Great goal. One of our best

Brayshaw - He put up a wall in defence.  Kicking efficiently.  But ball movements were often too slow.

Salem - not back as yet with little running power  sure handling was ok ☀️

Lever - um. Good then poor then good then poor. Misses his buddy May 🤨

Bowey - was just ok.  Two bad turnovers.  Yes still a young year 2?footballer 🤨

Turner -brave in numerous contests and looked composed before injury👏👏

Petty - top marks again. Withstood numerous forward thrusts. He was obviously hampered but brave  👏👏

Hibberd - steady and steady but this is his last year 😄

Oliver - umm yes️ 4stars today for his contested footy yet at times fumbled and put teammates under pressure. 

Petracca - is he sore or I’ll?  Definitely lost his edge of pace and not running freely. Missed certain goal with shocking fumble in the 3rd. Please find the 2021 Petracca 🤨

Langdon - wide and wide and wide. Once he’s blanketed by another runner, he lapses. Poor today  🤨

Harmes - tough and tough but disposal kills us 👌

B Brown - better but poor 🤨

Jordon - getting better and better. Disposal was very good  

Neal- Bullen - agree that he gets it but his disposal was amateurish 🤮

Jackson - better but still needs to ensure disposal is accurate 😃

Spargo - great 1st half.  Missing again after half time and ineffective 🤨

Sparrow - huge potential. Little to support today 🤮

Pickett - one lucky steal to goal - overall he ran around like a headless chicken but not near goal and not at foot of the pack.  🤮🤮

Fritsch - tried but failed 🤨

M. Brown - will never play AFL again  🤮🤮🤮

Pretty spot on

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10 hours ago, Glorious Day said:

Having sat in basically  the same seats on the wing of level 2 in the MCC for the last three weeks (thereby having an ideal view), I've been trying to identify what the problem is. Until today,  I thought it was primarily the continuous bombing of the ball to a crowded forward lines - doing the same thing time and time again for the same negative result. However, I think the reason we are put in this position is plainly due to slow ball movement and being too 'cautious', players too scared to take the game on and make mistakes. When we have the ball on the half back line, we try to get the ball forward with 15 metre kicks wide, adding in the odd handball, which simply gives the opposition time to flood back and make it almost impossible to find a free forward. We have no option other than to bomb in and hope - which is what teams did to us last year. On the other hand, opposition teams over the last three weeks have shown positivity towards us, use the 30-40 metre kicks to targets, which simply means by time they get it to their forward line, we don't have the numbers back and they can use space to score. Player for player, it's hard to argue we don't have the most talent in the league, so why we are not taking the game on is simply beyond me. If we don't change this come Thursday week, we'll simply be making up the numbers for the rest of the season, and wasting a very very good list. The 'problem' is fixible - once we do it, it will have immediate effects, we will have far more room and our forwards will all look way more potent - just like that!

My take on today:

Gawn - limited without making any real contribution, due to injury

Viney - Prolific, without being overly damaging 

Brayshaw - Mr Reliable in the backline for three quarters in terms of blocking the opposition movement forward, albeit being 'too careful' when using the ball, hence contributing to slow ball movement

Salem - Reasonable given game two

Lever - Some decent uncontested marks but otherwise a deer in headlights

Bowey - Liability

Turner - A presence and relatively promising before injury

Petty - Restricted but focal 

Hibberd - Classy, poised, encouraging game one

Oliver - Lucky he plays for us!

Petracca - Nothing possessions, clumsy at times

Langdon - Ribs must still be a real problem 

Harmes - Little to commend 

B Brown - Restricted because of congested forward line, but needs to hold marks

Jordon - Sound disposal, but a momentum killer, slowing play down too much, often reverting to 15-20 metre safe kicks

Neal- Bullen - Pathetic 

Jackson - Needs to make a decision on 2023 asap, otherwise 2022 will end up a total waste 

Spargo - same as Jordan description, minus the 'sound disposal' part

Sparrow - Player that has gone the 'most' backwards since 2021

Pickett - Mr Cameo who goes missing 99% of the time 

Fritsch - same as B. Brown description

M. Brown - I was a fan before today

Agree GD we constantly slowed the ball down after winning back possession - I'm still wondering why - its either a total lack of confidence or lack of fitness not being able to run and carry. I'm hoping its the latter like this time last year

In contrast when Collingwood won possession they ran it through the middle easily making it so much easier for their forwards to have an impact. Hard to be overly critical of our forwards when the mids slow it down and then can't deliver effectively. I really can't see M Brown getting another senior game he is way off the pace imo

Your summary of each player is quite accurate but I think harsh on ANB who at least chases hard when not in possession - he has a few mates atm who can't seem to do that  

Earlier in the season I watched games thinking how well we defended the entire ground - that ability seems to have evaporated entirely - until we find a way to do that again we are going to struggle against decent opposition 

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10 hours ago, Glorious Day said:

Having sat in basically  the same seats on the wing of level 2 in the MCC for the last three weeks (thereby having an ideal view), I've been trying to identify what the problem is. Until today,  I thought it was primarily the continuous bombing of the ball to a crowded forward lines - doing the same thing time and time again for the same negative result. However, I think the reason we are put in this position is plainly due to slow ball movement and being too 'cautious', players too scared to take the game on and make mistakes. When we have the ball on the half back line, we try to get the ball forward with 15 metre kicks wide, adding in the odd handball, which simply gives the opposition time to flood back and make it almost impossible to find a free forward. We have no option other than to bomb in and hope - which is what teams did to us last year. On the other hand, opposition teams over the last three weeks have shown positivity towards us, use the 30-40 metre kicks to targets, which simply means by time they get it to their forward line, we don't have the numbers back and they can use space to score. Player for player, it's hard to argue we don't have the most talent in the league, so why we are not taking the game on is simply beyond me. If we don't change this come Thursday week, we'll simply be making up the numbers for the rest of the season, and wasting a very very good list. The 'problem' is fixible - once we do it, it will have immediate effects, we will have far more room and our forwards will all look way more potent - just like that!

My take on today:

Gawn - limited without making any real contribution, due to injury

Viney - Prolific, without being overly damaging 

Brayshaw - Mr Reliable in the backline for three quarters in terms of blocking the opposition movement forward, albeit being 'too careful' when using the ball, hence contributing to slow ball movement

Salem - Reasonable given game two

Lever - Some decent uncontested marks but otherwise a deer in headlights

Bowey - Liability

Turner - A presence and relatively promising before injury

Petty - Restricted but focal 

Hibberd - Classy, poised, encouraging game one

Oliver - Lucky he plays for us!

Petracca - Nothing possessions, clumsy at times

Langdon - Ribs must still be a real problem 

Harmes - Little to commend 

B Brown - Restricted because of congested forward line, but needs to hold marks

Jordon - Sound disposal, but a momentum killer, slowing play down too much, often reverting to 15-20 metre safe kicks

Neal- Bullen - Pathetic 

Jackson - Needs to make a decision on 2023 asap, otherwise 2022 will end up a total waste 

Spargo - same as Jordan description, minus the 'sound disposal' part

Sparrow - Player that has gone the 'most' backwards since 2021

Pickett - Mr Cameo who goes missing 99% of the time 

Fritsch - same as B. Brown description

M. Brown - I was a fan before today

Covered it beautifully GD. strange word when I think of yesterday. Thank you 

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11 hours ago, Glorious Day said:

Having sat in basically  the same seats on the wing of level 2 in the MCC for the last three weeks (thereby having an ideal view), I've been trying to identify what the problem is. Until today,  I thought it was primarily the continuous bombing of the ball to a crowded forward lines - doing the same thing time and time again for the same negative result. However, I think the reason we are put in this position is plainly due to slow ball movement and being too 'cautious', players too scared to take the game on and make mistakes. When we have the ball on the half back line, we try to get the ball forward with 15 metre kicks wide, adding in the odd handball, which simply gives the opposition time to flood back and make it almost impossible to find a free forward. We have no option other than to bomb in and hope - which is what teams did to us last year. On the other hand, opposition teams over the last three weeks have shown positivity towards us, use the 30-40 metre kicks to targets, which simply means by time they get it to their forward line, we don't have the numbers back and they can use space to score. Player for player, it's hard to argue we don't have the most talent in the league, so why we are not taking the game on is simply beyond me. If we don't change this come Thursday week, we'll simply be making up the numbers for the rest of the season, and wasting a very very good list. The 'problem' is fixible - once we do it, it will have immediate effects, we will have far more room and our forwards will all look way more potent - just like that!

My take on today:

Gawn - limited without making any real contribution, due to injury

Viney - Prolific, without being overly damaging 

Brayshaw - Mr Reliable in the backline for three quarters in terms of blocking the opposition movement forward, albeit being 'too careful' when using the ball, hence contributing to slow ball movement

Salem - Reasonable given game two

Lever - Some decent uncontested marks but otherwise a deer in headlights

Bowey - Liability

Turner - A presence and relatively promising before injury

Petty - Restricted but focal 

Hibberd - Classy, poised, encouraging game one

Oliver - Lucky he plays for us!

Petracca - Nothing possessions, clumsy at times

Langdon - Ribs must still be a real problem 

Harmes - Little to commend 

B Brown - Restricted because of congested forward line, but needs to hold marks

Jordon - Sound disposal, but a momentum killer, slowing play down too much, often reverting to 15-20 metre safe kicks

Neal- Bullen - Pathetic 

Jackson - Needs to make a decision on 2023 asap, otherwise 2022 will end up a total waste 

Spargo - same as Jordan description, minus the 'sound disposal' part

Sparrow - Player that has gone the 'most' backwards since 2021

Pickett - Mr Cameo who goes missing 99% of the time 

Fritsch - same as B. Brown description

M. Brown - I was a fan before today

The constant bombing bewilders me. Bombing in can be useful especially when you're trying to get it in quick with mismatches but we rarely did anything but this. What I would have killed for even slow ball movement but chipping around the 50 patiently to see if they would drop their guard eventually. We didn't really wear down Collingwood's backline when they didn't have the ball at all. It either just went in and we kicked a lucky score or it came out very quick. 

Just think when we're faced with this situation where it's hard to get separation from forwards, we should either be taking the game on and taking risks or we should protect the ball a bit more and be patient with it. Bombing it from slow build ups just won't cut it. 

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Oliver, Brayshaw, Jordan - Easily our best

 

I'm rapt with the continued improvement of Jordan.

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    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Friday 15th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers took advantage of the beautiful sunshine to head down to Gosch's Paddock and witness the return of Clayton Oliver to club for his first session in the lead up to the 2025 season. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Clarry in the house!! Training: JVR, McVee, Windsor, Tholstrup, Woey, Brown, Petty, Adams, Chandler, Turner, Bowey, Seston, Kentfield, Laurie, Sparrow, Viney, Rivers, Jefferson, Hore, Howes, Verrall, AMW, Clarry Tom Campbell is here

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    2024 Player Reviews: #7 Jack Viney

    The tough on baller won his second Keith 'Bluey' Truscott Trophy in a narrow battle with skipper Max Gawn and Alex Neal-Bullen and battled on manfully in the face of a number of injury niggles. Date of Birth: 13 April 1994 Height: 178cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 219 Goals MFC 2024: 10 Career Total: 66 Brownlow Medal Votes: 8

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    Melbourne Demons 3

    TRAINING: Wednesday 13th November 2024

    A couple of Demonland Trackwatchers braved the rain and headed down to Gosch's paddock to bring you their observations from the second day of Preseason training for the 1st to 4th Year players. DITCHA'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS I attended some of the training today. Richo spoke to me and said not to believe what is in the media, as we will good this year. Jefferson and Kentfield looked big and strong.  Petty was doing all the training. Adams looked like he was in rehab.  KE

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