Kangaroos Hopping Mad after Triple Walk Out

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

6 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Arden Street was different. I went there the day the Pie Stall went up in flames. The place was packed, very lucky people were not seriously hurt

 

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[Ouch! 2,205]

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Ouch!! I honestly think we have too many Clubs at 18. The talent pool is getting diluted enough. 
so to go to 20 Teams would be a disaster in my opinion, but I totally get that You want a Pure Tassie Side. 
The only solution i can see is that one of North, GC or GW$ get totally disassembled and moved to Tassie to start again. 
Look at the Crowd numbers now in the heartland. We can’t afford new clubs now. 
we have to fix the backyard first

SWYL, can't agree with this sorry

How many years will it take to fix the backyard though?  Tassie's got a momentum issue that has to be addressed in the next meeting of the presidents, if they haven't gotten their 'cr@p' in order thats on them. This is basically the one and only time this bid will be put forward. 

I'm not sure on the argument of the talent pool being diluted, I see that a little bit of a cop out. 18 AFL teams started in 2012, Australia's population was a 22.9 million people. As of 2 days ago, the population of Australia is  26,057,364 people. You are saying that we can't find 40 talented players amongst those 3 million people?  Add Tasmania and you will build talent pathways that have withered for too long cos the AFL has ignored the state. The impact the JackJumpers have had on basketball participation in the short time they have been here has been nothing short of stunning. This is also a commitment to both men and women's teams. Tassie will absolutely become a footy heartland and produce AFL quality players in very little time.

Finally, you can't look at crowd numbers for 2022. Look at what they were in 2019, and what they will likely be in a couple of years when things are post COVID. Look at viewer numbers watching the game on TV.... that is what will drive the next media agreement. 

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29 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Jeelong doesn’t have a divide though. They ALL Barrack for Jeelong. 
There is a division in Tassie. It is real. 
what worries me is 2-3 years in, when the Team is mid table, will the Noth Taswegions travel? After the initial Honeymoon period. 
20 Teams is too many i think

even if that divide becomes too much, the southern population of Tasmania still exceeds the population of Geelong. 

[Sir Why You Little 36,603]

1 minute ago, Ouch! said:

SWYL, can't agree with this sorry

How many years will it take to fix the backyard though?  Tassie's got a momentum issue that has to be addressed in the next meeting of the presidents, if they haven't gotten their 'cr@p' in order thats on them. This is basically the one and only time this bid will be put forward. 

I'm not sure on the argument of the talent pool being diluted, I see that a little bit of a cop out. 18 AFL teams started in 2012, Australia's population was a 22.9 million people. As of 2 days ago, the population of Australia is  26,057,364 people. You are saying that we can't find 40 talented players amongst those 3 million people?  Add Tasmania and you will build talent pathways that have withered for too long cos the AFL has ignored the state. The impact the JackJumpers have had on basketball participation in the short time they have been here has been nothing short of stunning. This is also a commitment to both men and women's teams. Tassie will absolutely become a footy heartland and produce AFL quality players in very little time.

Finally, you can't look at crowd numbers for 2022. Look at what they were in 2019, and what they will likely be in a couple of years when things are post COVID. Look at viewer numbers watching the game on TV.... that is what will drive the next media agreement. 

Looking at Crowd Numbers pre Covid is not a good source. Covid is still around. 
i have no problem with Tassie having their own side. BUT

1. they have to be self Sufficient going forward. 
2. 19 Clubs will suck, we need an even number, so how is it done.

3. We need 80 AFL standard players for 2 Clubs. Where do they come from?

Do the existing AFL Clubs get Draft Restrictions for 4-5 years, which WE KNOW will keep the Bottom sides down for a long time 
 

[Sir Why You Little 36,603]

21 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

😢

It was a big fire. Over time it has become a bit of a laugh, but it could have been a real Tragedy. Getting enough retardant onto it wasn’t easy. Oil and water don’t mix!!

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7 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Looking at Crowd Numbers pre Covid is not a good source. Covid is still around. 
i have no problem with Tassie having their own side. BUT

1. They have to be self Sufficient going forward. 
2. 19 Clubs will suck, we need an even number, so how is it done.

3. We need 80 AFL standard players for 2 Clubs. Where do they come from?

Do the existing AFL Clubs get Draft Restrictions for 4-5 years, which WE KNOW will keep the Bottom sides down for a long time 
 

I think Pre COVID is a great source for what CAN be. COVID is still around, but I didn't say look at things now, I said look at 2019 for what it could be again, once more.... give it some time to build back up. Remember Tassie's entry isn't happening next year, they are talking at least 4-5 years away to prepare.

1. Do you put that caveat on every club in the AFL currently including GWS and GC?

2. 19 Clubs will suck, and I hope *IF* 19 clubs are a thing, it's a transition to 20 clubs.

3. I contend that they come out the current pathways we have at the moment, they could also come from reducing lists to say 35-38 players. Reducing the list size by 2 for all clubs free's up 36 players. I'm sure those players ultimately would prefer playing AFL than VFL/WAFL/SANFL given an opportunity.

4. I think the AFL admitted they got the way GWS and GC wrong, I don't have an answer, but I suspect that there will be some concessions, but not like it was with those two clubs.

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

26 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

It was a big fire. Over time it has become a bit of a laugh, but it could have been a real Tragedy. Getting enough retardant onto it wasn’t easy. Oil and water don’t mix!!

Yep. No OH&S compliance needed back then. And anytime you ate something it was a roll of the dice. I once bought a sausage roll wherein the “meat” resembled a rectangle of charcoal. Still ate it though coz 7yo. 😆

[tilly18 287]

29 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

I think Pre COVID is a great source for what CAN be. COVID is still around, but I didn't say look at things now, I said look at 2019 for what it could be again, once more.... give it some time to build back up. Remember Tassie's entry isn't happening next year, they are talking at least 4-5 years away to prepare.

1. Do you put that caveat on every club in the AFL currently including GWS and GC?

2. 19 Clubs will suck, and I hope *IF* 19 clubs are a thing, it's a transition to 20 clubs.

3. I contend that they come out the current pathways we have at the moment, they could also come from reducing lists to say 35-38 players. Reducing the list size by 2 for all clubs free's up 36 players. I'm sure those players ultimately would prefer playing AFL than VFL/WAFL/SANFL given an opportunity.

4. I think the AFL admitted they got the way GWS and GC wrong, I don't have an answer, but I suspect that there will be some concessions, but not like it was with those two clubs.

Expansion clubs in non AFL territories cannot hold onto players. Tom Lynch did not want to play in front of 5000 people but rather 75,000. So we had a situation where the best player in the weakest team walks to strongest team at the time.

You can give them all the concessions in the world but if every year they are going to the draft to pick players who will request a trade while in their prime it’s never going to work.

This is not like the US where every school and college in every state play American football.

Trying to grow a sport in a geographic where it is not part of the culture is unique to this country. I can’t think of another example.

I don’t think there is an answer.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

10 minutes ago, tilly18 said:

Expansion clubs in non AFL territories cannot hold onto players. Tom Lynch did not want to play in front of 5000 people but rather 75,000. So we had a situation where the best player in the weakest team walks to strongest team at the time.

You can give them all the concessions in the world but if every year they are going to the draft to pick players who will request a trade while in their prime it’s never going to work.

This is not like the US where every school and college in every state play American football.

Trying to grow a sport in a geographic where it is not part of the culture is unique to this country. I can’t think of another example.

I don’t think there is an answer.

Cricket, rugby, soccer, basketball all started somewhere before being exported successfully.

[tilly18 287]

15 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Cricket, rugby, soccer, basketball all started somewhere before being exported successfully.

Im not aware of the why the Northern states played Rugby and not Australian rules.

I dont think soccer or basketball are that popular in this country. Im sure they don't see themselves éver trying to compete with Australian rules like the AFL is trying to do in rugby heartland.

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15 minutes ago, tilly18 said:

Im not aware of the why the Northern states played Rugby and not Australian rules.

I dont think soccer or basketball are that popular in this country. Im sure they don't see themselves éver trying to compete with Australian rules like the AFL is trying to do in rugby heartland.

Every Saturday morning I see soccer fields packed with juniors who play. Basketball stadiums for junior players are packed. What hasn't been managed is a way to harness the pathways for these players. 

Basketball is growing a lot faster than you think, the number of players now in the NBA, the expansion of the NBL.... 

[daisycutter 29,303]

4 hours ago, Ouch! said:

Yep, I think I said that whilst the Bloods itself had history beyond the swans and back to South Melb. It was Roos and their leadership team that are synonymous with the 'Bloods Culture'

nah sorry, it's purely a south melbourne heritage culture thing (at least for victorians)

no south melbourne connection and there would be no "bloods"

the name south melbourne bloods changed to south melbourne swans in 1933 but that didn't mean the nickname bloods disappeared then. people in melbourne up until they left for sydney still knew about the bloods and many supporters still kept using the name. 

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12 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

nah sorry, it's purely a south melbourne heritage culture thing (at least for victorians)

no south melbourne connection and there would be no "bloods"

the name south melbourne bloods changed to south melbourne swans in 1933 but that didn't mean the nickname bloods disappeared then. people in melbourne up until they left for sydney still knew about the bloods and many supporters still kept using the name. 

Thanks Daisy, but you are referring more to the nickname of 'The Bloods' attributed to the football club itself. I'm referring to the culture of 'The Blood's that is attributed largely to Stewart Maxfield's time at the swans in the early 2000s with Roos being there.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/sep/18/how-sydney-swans-built-the-bloods-culture

We might be talking two different things?

[Demonstone 21,751]

South Melbourne were once known as "The Blood Stained Angels" in a reference to the splash of red on their predominantly white jumper.  Essendon had a related nickname that I won't repeat.

[tilly18 287]

17 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

Every Saturday morning I see soccer fields packed with juniors who play. Basketball stadiums for junior players are packed. What hasn't been managed is a way to harness the pathways for these players. 

Basketball is growing a lot faster than you think, the number of players now in the NBA, the expansion of the NBL.... 

I cant see the NBL holding the whip hand in a television rights negotiation any time soon, if ever. Its a completely different discussion.

I''m not sure how we got to this but my point is I just cannot see how the AFL can possibly penetrate the rugby strong hold in western Sydney. There might be market share there but that''s irrelevant if the public don't understand your product.

 My original post was in response to what the answer is with the Giants is and I dont think there is one.

[Ouch! 2,205]

31 minutes ago, tilly18 said:

I cant see the NBL holding the whip hand in a television rights negotiation any time soon, if ever. Its a completely different discussion.

I''m not sure how we got to this but my point is I just cannot see how the AFL can possibly penetrate the rugby strong hold in western Sydney. There might be market share there but that''s irrelevant if the public don't understand your product.

 My original post was in response to what the answer is with the Giants is and I dont think there is one.

Yeah we did get a bit off topic ... what is the actual topic here?

I guess saying that soccer and basketball aren't popular in Australia is what I was trying to say, they are certainly popular, but they have a failure to transition the pathways from junior to adult I believe. It's not like they don't have active junior participants... 

I agree with your comments otherwise :D

[Demonstone 21,751]

I see that a couple of posters have responded to my "Blood Stained Angels" post with a laugh.

Let me assure everybody that the post was not intended to be funny in any way and there is nothing humorous about the offensive nickname that Essendon adopted for a time.

[Fat Tony 5,072]

I feel sorry for North but I hope we are going 100% to pick off their best young talent.

[daisycutter 29,303]

26 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

I see that a couple of posters have responded to my "Blood Stained Angels" post with a laugh.

Let me assure everybody that the post was not intended to be funny in any way and there is nothing humorous about the offensive nickname that Essendon adopted for a time.

port adelaide were called Cockledivers, Seaside Men, Seasiders, Mudholians, Dustholians, and Magentas, before settling on Magpies then powa

that first one could have easily been confusing, but i prefer mudholians

Edited May 25, 2022 by daisycutter

[Demon Dynasty 17,091]

6 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

😢

That's some Pie stall!  As long as the Chico Roll stall survived!

[Demon Dynasty 17,091]

4 hours ago, Ouch! said:

Every Saturday morning I see soccer fields packed with juniors who play. Basketball stadiums for junior players are packed. What hasn't been managed is a way to harness the pathways for these players. 

100% on the soccer side, hence why our National team is struggling to make a World Cup and perform against anyone with even a bit of cred like Japan.

There is basically no serious pathway for junior players here (,soccer).

It needs a legit Futsal comp at the junior level with multiple dedicated Futsal stadiums.  Basketball has this infrasructure / feed in comps in place.

The FFA and to some degree state & federal govts have failed this code.  And the sad thing is we had a chance to get the ball rolling in 2010 but instead spent approx $42 million on a very stupid world cup bid.

Edited May 25, 2022 by Demon Dynasty

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

3 hours ago, Demonstone said:

Let me assure everybody that the post was not intended to be funny in any way and there is nothing humorous about the offensive nickname that Essendon adopted for a time.

Well tell us then, DS. What nickname did Essendon adopt for a time? If it’s too offensive to cite here, tell us cryptically. Please. 
 

Edit: Never mind. Just googled it. Just when I think there can’t possibly be another reason to hate that repugnant team…

Edited May 25, 2022 by WalkingCivilWar

[Dr. Gonzo 23,698]

On 5/24/2022 at 6:33 PM, ANG13 said:

Not even Essendon and Carlton supporters?

Essendon and Carlton supporters can feel the depression that comes with being putrid onfield but it doesn't have the accompanying existential crisis that comes with being a supporter of a poor club who has to contemplate the very survival of their club. 

I feel sorry for North too and hopefully they can rebound and not have a potential Tas relocation hanging over them. They're in an ok financial position I think so they have that going for them.

I think the first step is to get rid of Noble

Edited May 25, 2022 by Dr. Gonzo

[whatwhat say what 22,086]

i think it's impossible to compare crowd sizes yet, primarily as wa was at 50% capacity for the first seven rounds, from memory, and kardinia park is undergoing it's latest injection of taxpayer funding, and is at about 60% capacity

ultimately the real key is tv / streaming viewership, which has grown significantly over the last few years, and club membership remains super strong throughout two seasons where people were, for the most part, completely unable to attend whatsoever

Edited May 25, 2022 by whatwhat say what

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,524]

I don't think they cared to much for us Dees when they were beating us 17 times in a row.

Fugg em.

Should have taken the 100 million and run.