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1 hour ago, Deestar9 said:

Was it a similar moment to when May’s handball was smothered resulting in a Tigers goal 🤔😏

No, May’s handball was smothered in a good pressure act from a Richmond player. Smith handballed the ball straight to Lynch when he had multiple options and time to kick. Joel does some good things but also has some panicked moments and costs goals. He is replaced by the reigning AA back in Lever, as many have said he’d be playing regular footy at a lesser team, but compared to May, Petty and Lever he’s not there yet and goes out.

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23 minutes ago, He de mon said:

it wasn't one of ANB's better games last night, but he has been solid for most of the year. he will not get dropped for one off night.

As for those advocating for TMac to replace Weid - TMac 5 games (4 goals), Weid 4 games (8 goals). 

My point was; it was a good performance by ANB when measured against the matrix that the team values. Further evidenced by the inclusion in the "best" listed by the Club.

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If no injuries, it's really simple: Lever and Viney come in, Smith and Dunstan go out.

Harmes finished the game on the bench with a jacket on. If he's injured, and if Dunstan isn't concussed, he might make way for Viney. If both Harmes and Dunstan are unavailable, then we have to get a bit more creative and it might be Bedford who gets a game.

But some of the other changes suggested in this thread just aren't going to happen. ANB's not going to be dropped (IMO he wasn't anywhere near as bad as some have said). Jordon's not going to be dropped (those who query Jordon's role in the side are maybe not going to the games because his role is vital). Weideman's not going to be dropped (did enough right to get another game over TMac).

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2 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

If no injuries, it's really simple: Lever and Viney come in, Smith and Dunstan go out.

Harmes finished the game on the bench with a jacket on. If he's injured, and if Dunstan isn't concussed, he might make way for Viney. If both Harmes and Dunstan are unavailable, then we have to get a bit more creative and it might be Bedford who gets a game.

But some of the other changes suggested in this thread just aren't going to happen. ANB's not going to be dropped (IMO he wasn't anywhere near as bad as some have said). Jordon's not going to be dropped (those who query Jordon's role in the side are maybe not going to the games because his role is vital). Weideman's not going to be dropped (did enough right to get another game over TMac).

Agree. Are we sure Viney and Lever are ok for the next round? Everyone seems to be just assuming they will be.

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22 minutes ago, dworship said:

My point was; it was a good performance by ANB when measured against the matrix that the team values. Further evidenced by the inclusion in the "best" listed by the Club.

I was kind of agreeing with you.

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7 minutes ago, old dee said:

Agree. Are we sure Viney and Lever are ok for the next round? Everyone seems to be just assuming they will be.

Well all the club's told us is that they were out for COVID reasons. Lever rolled his ankle last week but there's been no suggestion that would have kept him out of last night's game. And there's no reason to believe Viney's injured.

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26 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Well all the club's told us is that they were out for COVID reasons. Lever rolled his ankle last week but there's been no suggestion that would have kept him out of last night's game. And there's no reason to believe Viney's injured.

Sounds good, thank you.

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I’m neither a Smith fan nor critic and he has had some good games this year. But that one calamity on its own warrants for him to go back to the 2’s and work on his decision making skills for a good few weeks. Either he has completely panicked and wanted nothing to do with the ball (worrying for a lockdown defender), or he didnt look to see if he was giving it off to a teammate (poor peripherals).

I’ve watched the replay several times, and I am perplexed by it every time. Those kinds of brainfades aren’t warranted in junior footy, let alone the AFL. Imagine if that cost your team a win.

Joel needs to learn from that mistake. Many, many learnings.

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Nibbler had a dirty night when he had the ball, but did his usual defensive acts and in no way will be in line for being dropped. 

Really only see Viney for Dunstan and Smith for Lever. 

Weid kicked three, can’t really ask much more. Took his chances when they came. Hopefully next game he starts clunking them, there does seem to be a disconnect with where and how the balls coming in. Saw Sam do more than a few leads and few were honoured (frustratingly went to Brown in 3 on 1 instead). 

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2 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

I’m neither a Smith fan nor critic and he has had some good games this year. But that one calamity on its own warrants for him to go back to the 2’s and work on his decision making skills for a good few weeks. Either he has completely panicked and wanted nothing to do with the ball (worrying for a lockdown defender), or he didnt look to see if he was giving it off to a teammate (poor peripherals).

I’ve watched the replay several times, and I am perplexed by it every time. Those kinds of brainfades aren’t warranted in junior footy, let alone the AFL. Imagine if that cost your team a win.

Joel needs to learn from that mistake. Many, many learnings.

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2 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

I’m neither a Smith fan nor critic and he has had some good games this year. But that one calamity on its own warrants for him to go back to the 2’s and work on his decision making skills for a good few weeks. Either he has completely panicked and wanted nothing to do with the ball (worrying for a lockdown defender), or he didnt look to see if he was giving it off to a teammate (poor peripherals).

I’ve watched the replay several times, and I am perplexed by it every time. Those kinds of brainfades aren’t warranted in junior footy, let alone the AFL. Imagine if that cost your team a win.

Joel needs to learn from that mistake. Many, many learnings.

Gee I think if people go back a bit when Petty first came in people were saying the same thing.

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9 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Gee I think if people go back a bit when Petty first came in people were saying the same thing.

Joel Smith isn't a first gamer, and we're not an up-and-comer team. The standards are higher now all-around.

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5 minutes ago, Chook said:

Joel Smith isn't a first gamer, and we're not an up-and-comer team. The standards are higher now all-around.

I think that one handball mistake was a mixture of the pressure from the tigers and a bit of colour blind. I know it happened to a couple of others through the night. In any case he will be the most likely to make way for Lever. 

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3 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Serious question.

If Salem were fit this week, would he take Hunt's spot, or Rivers'?

Rivers. He is a super player and has a massive future but he is nowhere near his best, his wonderful kicking is lacking penetration and the run-and-carry is non existent. 

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3 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Serious question.

If Salem were fit this week, would he take Hunt's spot, or Rivers'?

At 6 and zero I think they would play him at Casey, he has played 2 minutes this season. Give Him a week to get some match play under his belt. 

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1 hour ago, Chook said:

Joel Smith isn't a first gamer, and we're not an up-and-comer team. The standards are higher now all-around.

He is however a good depth player. I am glad we have him.

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55 minutes ago, Chook said:

Joel Smith isn't a first gamer, and we're not an up-and-comer team. The standards are higher now all-around.

But to improve one's playing ability you need consistency and play with the best on a regular basis I did not think he was that bad, Lever and Salem, May, Bowey and Petty will be the core so one spot is up for grabs which is a good place to be guess we will all find out soon may the best player win the spot.

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18 hours ago, Jaded No More said:
 

Hunt did a stellar job on Bolton who is a weapon. Could be important at stopping someone like Charlie Cameron who killed us in the semi final last year. If he can tidy up his ball use he might just stay. 

After a shaky first 2 rounds, Hunt’s getting better by the week and should be in our side for the rest of the year.

I’ve noticed his one on one defending has been excellent this year.

If you’re getting the points over a tricky opponent in Bolton, you should be considered a key staple in our defence.

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I'd say it's Viney, Lever for Dunstan, Smith

Both players are stiff, but that's part and parcel of playing in the reigning premiership who've won 13 in a row or whatever it is. 

the pleasing thing is our depth is such that a lot of our VFL boys would be best 22 at other clubs at the moment. Smith would walk into a lot of teams IMO

I really like Luke Dunstan as a player and hope he finds a way to break his way into the team.

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