Potential Father Son Prospect Noah Yze

[Mach5 4,767]

On 9/22/2023 at 11:41 AM, Stiff Arm said:

Jack Viney says hi 👋 

Was Todd at the club when we drafted Jack? Genuinely can’t remember but I have the feeling he wasn’t.

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55 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Was Todd at the club when we drafted Jack? Genuinely can’t remember but I have the feeling he wasn’t.

We bought Todd back from the Crows just before Jack was drafted. 

[Left Foot Snap 2,384]

On 9/25/2023 at 12:22 AM, Mach5 said:

Was Todd at the club when we drafted Jack? Genuinely can’t remember but I have the feeling he wasn’t.

Wasn't Todd reported as at odds with Prendergast over Toumpas instead of Wines? Was definitely at the club at the time of that draft.

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23 minutes ago, Left Foot Snap said:

Wasn't Todd reported as at odds with Prendergast over Toumpas instead of Wines? Was definitely at the club at the time of that draft.

Yes as far as I recall, had to ring Wines up and tell him that MFC weren't going to draft him any longer.

[Earl Hood 6,082]

4 hours ago, Left Foot Snap said:

Wasn't Todd reported as at odds with Prendergast over Toumpas instead of Wines? Was definitely at the club at the time of that draft.

My memory is BP left the club early 2012 and went to Carlton. Todd came in and was calling the shots at trade time late 2012. He has to wear the Wines non selection. He knew how good Wines was and knew Toumpas as well. I thought the reason given as to why we went for Toumpas was that we didn’t need 2 in and under bulls. To be fair all the experts were a big wrap for Toumpas but we never saw why that was. 

[Ollie fan 3,370]

My impression of Toumpas was that he had all the skills but didn't think well under pressure.

[SPC 3,534]

3 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

My impression of Toumpas was that he had all the skills but didn't think well under pressure.

He left brown nuggets every time he heard footsteps.. would never have been drafted under our current contested ball framework. 

[Ollie fan 3,370]

1 hour ago, SPC said:

He left brown nuggets every time he heard footsteps.. would never have been drafted under our current contested ball framework. 

I was being much more polite

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3 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

My memory is BP left the club early 2012 and went to Carlton. Todd came in and was calling the shots at trade time late 2012. He has to wear the Wines non selection. He knew how good Wines was and knew Toumpas as well. I thought the reason given as to why we went for Toumpas was that we didn’t need 2 in and under bulls. To be fair all the experts were a big wrap for Toumpas but we never saw why that was. 

Could it have possibly been that Todd felt that, if we had selected Wines, he would have been a selection competition for Jack in their early days?

[Demonstone 22,321]

I seem to recall that Jack, despite being best mates with Wines, said that Toumpas was the better choice.

[whatwhat say what 22,702]

toumpas was a star junior

a double hip op post-sanfl season cost him all his speed and power

[ChaserJ 5,015]

Worth noting that the player taken with the pick we sent to GWS for Hogan (we held pick 3 & 4 due to Scully compo traded 3 & used 4 on Toumpas) ended up being Lachie Plowman. Plowman had an underwhelming career, largely at Carlton, and he has now just retired. Not a whole lot of quality out of that 2012 crop as it transpired. Thankfully Viney worked out!

Another traded pick that started with Melbourne, moved to Adelaide in the Lever deal and finished with Carlton in the Gibbs trade was pick 10 from 2017. Carlton used the pick to select Lachie O’Brien, who they just delisted. Thing’s didn’t turn out too badly for us in the end.

[Mach5 4,767]

29 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

I seem to recall that Jack, despite being best mates with Wines, said that Toumpas was the better choice.

Company line.

4 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

My memory is BP left the club early 2012 and went to Carlton. Todd came in and was calling the shots at trade time late 2012. He has to wear the Wines non selection. He knew how good Wines was and knew Toumpas as well. I thought the reason given as to why we went for Toumpas was that we didn’t need 2 in and under bulls. To be fair all the experts were a big wrap for Toumpas but we never saw why that was. 

My recollection is that Todd didn’t initially come back in a list management position, and that the list manager at the time was one Tim Harrington.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,492]

4 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

My memory is BP left the club early 2012 and went to Carlton. Todd came in and was calling the shots at trade time late 2012. He has to wear the Wines non selection. He knew how good Wines was and knew Toumpas as well. I thought the reason given as to why we went for Toumpas was that we didn’t need 2 in and under bulls. To be fair all the experts were a big wrap for Toumpas but we never saw why that was. 

You forgot the urban legend of Viney and Neeld coming to blows as Todd wanted to select Wines and Neeld wanted Toumpas.  This was mentioned daily on Demonland for about three years.

 

[dazzledavey36 54,315]

24 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

You forgot the urban legend of Viney and Neeld coming to blows as Todd wanted to select Wines and Neeld wanted Toumpas.  This was mentioned daily on Demonland for about three years.

 

This is actually factual incorrect.  

I've had the pleasure of meeting Ollie Wines sister in Maddie about a year or so after he was drafted and she started out as a local journo around the region.

We crossed paths at a regional awards function one night and i actually asked this question to her.

Melbourne had certainly had Wines in their sights and this was purely because Todd thought GWS were going to pick Toumpas with their early picks. Our recruiting staff thought he was a top 2 genuine talent based off his senior SANFL experience as well as winning a flag at such a young age.

They were mostly set on Wines until it was made known fairly soon that GWS were then going to pass Toumpas.

Maddie confirmed it was actually Todd Viney who made the decision even though Neeld preferred Wines, but Neeld had enough faith in Viney and the rest of the recruitment. 

Viney informally Wines family and whilst they were fairly disappointed in the decision they certainly didn't hold it against Todd as they knew it was a professional decision. 

So yes, unfortunately it was Todd who made the blunder. 

Edited September 29, 2023 by dazzledavey36

[Mach5 4,767]

15 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

This is actually factual incorrect.  

I've had the pleasure of meeting Ollie Wines sister in Maddie about a year or so after he was drafted and she started out as a local journo around the region.

We crossed paths at a regional awards function one night and i actually asked this question to her.

Melbourne had certainly had Wines in their sights and this was purely because Todd thought GWS were going to pick Toumpas with their early picks. Our recruiting staff thought he was a top 2 genuine talent based off his senior SANFL experience as well as winning a flag at such a young age.

They were mostly set on Wines until it was made known fairly soon that GWS were then going to pass Toumpas.

Maddie confirmed it was actually Todd Viney who made the decision even though Neeld preferred Wines, but Neeld had enough faith in Viney and the rest of the recruitment. 

Viney informally Wines family and whilst they were fairly disappointed in the decision they certainly didn't hold it against Todd as they knew it was a professional decision. 

So yes, unfortunately it was Todd who made the blunder. 

I recall hearing this too, some time later, although I doubted it’s veracity.

Having said that, Viney may have taken ownership for the decision and responsibility for informing the family, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the decision was in fact his or his alone.

[Redleg 40,855]

Anyway, back to Noah Yze, how is he tracking? 

Does he look like he could improve to get to AFL, or at least VFL standard, to get drafted perhaps as a rookie?

[DeeZone 9,699]

Interesting that Noah is listed as 189cm and 84kg good size and wt for a 17yo. Let’s hope he has a great 2024 and he nominated us.!!

[Redleg 40,855]

33 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Interesting that Noah is listed as 189cm and 84kg good size and wt for a 17yo. Let’s hope he has a great 2024 and he nominated us.!!

Yes, let’s hope he can make it.

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On 9/25/2023 at 12:22 AM, Mach5 said:

Was Todd at the club when we drafted Jack? Genuinely can’t remember but I have the feeling he wasn’t.

He was at Hawthorn

 

[dazzledavey36 54,315]

2 minutes ago, jayceebee31 said:

He was at Hawthorn

 

He was at Adelaide 

[Mach5 4,767]

53 minutes ago, jayceebee31 said:

He was at Hawthorn

 

He was an assistant at Hawthorn, then coached at Moama (?), then an assistant at Adelaide, before returning to MFC. So far off.

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[TeamPlayedFine39 8,492]

Wow - definitely not the build I was expecting from an Yze Jr. 

Great to see kids from the 90s/00s players coming through!  Good luck to him!

 

[Cranky Franky 2,031]

The Noah Yze thread that says nothing about Noah 🤣🤣🤣