• My guess is that after the PF the Dogs put a heap of work into how to curb the influence of Gawn, and basically forgot about Jackson. Well, suffice it to say that they probably learnt their lesson.
• Max Gawn is really good at getting absolutely pumped by sh*t rucks.
• It feels like Draper is still a season away from putting it all together - before he could start to challenge the likes of Gawn (which I think he can do).
• There is no denying that if Melbourne lose any one of Gawn, Oliver & Petracca for an extended period and they will likely drop out of the 8.
• Outside of Gawn which top 8 side has a genuinely good ruckman?
• Max Gawn - Hawthorn players love playing kick-to-kick with the giant sasquatch.
• Gawn won the coaches votes award in 2018. No ruckman has been recognised as the best player in the league on a general public consensus, Jackson has potential to be not just the best ruckman but the best player.
• Obviously you'd love either he or Oliver but for me Petracca gives your team the X Factor and the hard work ethic as well. The way he is now I think he'd stand out in any team but having Gawn as well is what really allows them to find that extra gear when they're under the pump.
• It is worth pondering what Bont could do if roving to Gawn or NicNat.
• As Gawn just keeps getting better and better, we need to find our answer in the ruck instead of hoping ours can at least compete if he has his best ever game.
• He (Luke Nankervis) has Max Gawn vibes, even looks a bit like him.
• Gawn would have to get at least one more AA and captain another flag then I'd probably have him over Cox.
• I don't think I've seen a ruckman do what Gawn did in the preliminary final before.
• Gawn is their lynch pin. Jackson had a good GF, no question, but he's a 21yo, undersized ruck (198cm?) - as talented as he is.
• One injury to Gawn and the Dees are barely a top 8 side.
• Greg Stafford wasn't exactly Polly Farmer and he turned Max Gawn into the best ruck in the league.
   

Obviously they missed the bit when Gawn was benched and said” keep the kid in there”

Three goals in thirty seconds

The preliminary final... my god.

Edited December 12, 20213 yr by BAMF

"Without Gawn barely a top 8 side "

Gold

It's about time we were so good that they started saying stuff like that. 

I think we might have them rattled 

3 hours ago, IRW said:

"Without Gawn barely a top 8 side "

Gold

It's about time we were so good that they started saying stuff like that. 

I think we might have them rattled 

This is why the whole round 1 “rematch” with the Bulldogs is perplexing.

It has been set up as some sort of grudge match as if the Bulldogs actually had a chance in the Grand Final and didn’t lose by 74 points.

56 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

This is why the whole round 1 “rematch” with the Bulldogs is perplexing.

It has been set up as some sort of grudge match as if the Bulldogs actually had a chance in the Grand Final and didn’t lose by 74 points.

While I share the sentiment that we are far superior as a team; the bulldogs were only a goal down with 1 minute left in the third qtr.

The game was over in the next minute - but up until that point it was a pretty good GF…

45 minutes ago, rpfc said:

While I share the sentiment that we are far superior as a team; the bulldogs were only a goal down with 1 minute left in the third qtr.

The game was over in the next minute - but up until that point it was a pretty good GF…

Totally agree, I didn't start to relax until #50 clunked and goaled the first in the last quarter

10 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

• Max Gawn - Hawthorn players love playing kick-to-kick with the giant sasquatch.

This is a compliment. Thanks Chumps!

I love when supporters say stuff like, oh if the Dees lost Petracca, Oliver and Gawn they would miss the finals. Wow thanks for that amazing insight. If we take the best 3 sides out of any side they are going to struggle big time, there aren't many players of their calibre going around.

I still actually think if Gawn went down we would be ok with Jacko rucking and then another as the back up anyway.

47 minutes ago, Action Jackson said:

I love when supporters say stuff like, oh if the Dees lost Petracca, Oliver and Gawn they would miss the finals. Wow thanks for that amazing insight. If we take the best 3 sides out of any side they are going to struggle big time, there aren't many players of their calibre going around.

I still actually think if Gawn went down we would be ok with Jacko rucking and then another as the back up anyway.

If the Brisbane Lions lost Voss, Simon Black and Akka they wouldn't still be talked about as one of the best sides ever.

I think like Us they are struggling to comprehend what actually happened in those last 35 minutes of the Granny. I doubt that we will ever see a repeat of that magical effort.💕❤️❤️

One of the best things about Jackson is that he is going to add at least 1-2 more years of quality football for Gawn. Bit by bit Max will hand over over ruck duties, maybe even be rested occasionally, because Jackson has proven he can handle the pressure of being the man in the ruck. Max will probably go down as a modern day great for his achievements already let alone what he could be capable of for the rest of his career. 

As for the chatter about player X (Gawn, Trac, Oliver) going down and we drop out of the 8. All three go down, well clearly that is the key components the engine going down so let’s see how any side goes with that. But I think if we lose one then there are others ready to step up. (IMO Trac would hurt the most)

It is a curious topic. I think it is fair to say that whilst we were dominant in the finals, there are still a lot of footy fans that are less than convinced. A repeat in 2022 would probably put that to bed. 

Whilst the Doggies probably edge us out in their midfield depth (Bont, Macrae, Libba, Dunkley, Treloar, Hunter, Smith), they lack a major weapon in the ruck department and we have two of them in Max and LJ. So overall, the Demons probably have the better total midfield setup.

Max's prelim was a performance for the ages - it will be talked about for the years to come. 

If we take Cox as the best modern ruckman, Gawn is probably just on top in terms of the quality of his performance (leads in average Hit outs, Disposals, Inside 50s, Clearances) but with almost half the amount of games played in comparison to Cox (he is about 140 games shy of Cox's 290) the quantity of his quality performances falls dramatically short. I do wonder how many games Gawn has left in him though - he should get over 200 easily (currently at 159) but not sure whether he will get to the 250 milestone (would require another 4 seasons of footy) and at 29, while it is certainly possible, would require a relatively injury free run. If he gets to the 250 mark, and is able to maintain his form to within 10-20% and snag another premiership, then i think Gawn will be able to have that title with some distinction. Anything short of that, will then be a matter of perspective and opinion. 

what a load of gallimaufry

let's just keep winning and not give a stuff what's being said

winning talks

24 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

what a load of gallimaufry

let's just keep winning and not give a stuff what's being said

winning talks

Just learnt a new word, thanks DC. I'd have gone with carp.

2 hours ago, Wrecker46 said:

If the Brisbane Lions lost Voss, Simon Black and Akka they wouldn't still be talked about as one of the best sides ever.

..and they would have lost a GF to Collingwood 

53 minutes ago, CYB said:

It is a curious topic. I think it is fair to say that whilst we were dominant in the finals, there are still a lot of footy fans that are less than convinced. A repeat in 2022 would probably put that to bed. 

Whilst the Doggies probably edge us out in their midfield depth (Bont, Macrae, Libba, Dunkley, Treloar, Hunter, Smith), they lack a major weapon in the ruck department and we have two of them in Max and LJ. So overall, the Demons probably have the better total midfield setup.

Max's prelim was a performance for the ages - it will be talked about for the years to come. 

If we take Cox as the best modern ruckman, Gawn is probably just on top in terms of the quality of his performance (leads in average Hit outs, Disposals, Inside 50s, Clearances) but with almost half the amount of games played in comparison to Cox (he is about 140 games shy of Cox's 290) the quantity of his quality performances falls dramatically short. I do wonder how many games Gawn has left in him though - he should get over 200 easily (currently at 159) but not sure whether he will get to the 250 milestone (would require another 4 seasons of footy) and at 29, while it is certainly possible, would require a relatively injury free run. If he gets to the 250 mark, and is able to maintain his form to within 10-20% and snag another premiership, then i think Gawn will be able to have that title with some distinction. Anything short of that, will then be a matter of perspective and opinion. 

Whilst the Doggies probably edge us out in their midfield depth (Bont, Macrae, Libba, Dunkley, Treloar, Hunter, Smith), they lack a major weapon in the ruck department and we have two of them in Max and LJ. So overall, the Demons probably have the better total midfield setup.

THE DOGGIES DONT EDGE US OUT IN THE MIDFIELD AT ALL.

WE ARE AND HAVE THE BEST MIDS GOING AROUND.

New season doesn't just mean last year is good enough, though, so we take anything on board.

Back in the old days Hawthorn managed consistently to have team of champs as well as champion team.They lost probably their best player as well.

It is all to think about. 

14 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

•  
• There is no denying that if Melbourne lose any one of Gawn, Oliver & Petracca for an extended period and they will likely drop out of the 8.

We might be able to get away with one long term injury for these three but any more and I agree, we'll certainly drop out of the top 4 and maybe the 8 altogether. 

11 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

We might be able to get away with one long term injury for these three but any more and I agree, we'll certainly drop out of the top 4 and maybe the 8 altogether. 

Not unlike any other Club, though. 

Every dingbat knows that to win premierships you need your best players on the field.
If you don't you'll struggle.

 

3 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Every dingbat knows that to win premierships you need your best players on the field.
If you don't you'll struggle.

 

Even if u are NOT a dingbat, You still know it!!🤪

2 hours ago, Pates said:

 As for the chatter about player X (Gawn, Trac, Oliver) going down and we drop out of the 8. All three go down, well clearly that is the key components the engine going down so let’s see how any side goes with that. But I think if we lose one then there are others ready to step up. (IMO Trac would hurt the most)

Dunno man.
Losing Oliver would hurt equally ..... IMO.
Might not be as flashy as Petracca but during this season and we we're under the pump it was Oliver who got us rolling.
Just a competitive beast that hates to lose.
And I love him for it.

8 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Dunno man.
Losing Oliver would hurt equally ..... IMO.
Might not be as flashy as Petracca but during this season and we we're under the pump it was Oliver who got us rolling.
Just a competitive beast that hates to lose.
And I love him for it.

Definitely wouldn’t disagree with you, I think each of them bring something different and equally important to the table. That moment in the GF that Oliver was being tackled by three doggies players and still managed to get a kick out of the congestion was absolute insanity and next level beast mode from him.