I really want Gus and Jackson they are important to us but we  have petracca and Olive whor have basically signed on for life. Viney  and Gawn will stick with us.

If we lose some so be it. We have our champions locked in.

When they get us a few more premierships they won't be compared to Judd, cousin's, Kerr because they aren't taking lemonade with ice blocks to help them out

 

 

 

 

40 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Not great if they both say they’re off to Freo. 

No it would not be good, not good at all..

Niall undersells what Jackson will become and the flexibility he provides. Jackson is already a star ruckman despite not winning many hit outs and he could also become an elite forward and midfielder. He will be unstoppable if his marking keeps improving, particularly if we can manipulate him forward on a smaller defender. There is no reason he couldn’t be Adam Goodes as a midfielder, Grundy as a ruckman and (good) Mitch Clark as a forward. 

27 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Niall undersells what Jackson will become and the flexibility he provides. Jackson is already a star ruckman despite not winning many hit outs and he could also become an elite forward and midfielder. He will be unstoppable if his marking keeps improving, particularly if we can manipulate him forward on a smaller defender. There is no reason he couldn’t be Adam Goodes as a midfielder, Grundy as a ruckman and (good) Mitch Clark as a forward. 

Is this the article that references?  why-luke-jackson-shouldn-t-be-priority-for-fremantle-and-melbourne

My take of it is that is about each club prioritising Jackson.  ihv, Jackson doesn't fit Freo's list needs as he is a ruckman first but Freo are expecting him to primarily be a forward.  And that Melbourne should make Gus a higher priority than Jackson.

1 minute ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Is this the article that references?  why-luke-jackson-shouldn-t-be-priority-for-fremantle-and-melbourne

My take of it is that is about each club prioritising Jackson.  ihv, Jackson doesn't fit Freo's list needs as he is a ruckman first but Freo are expecting him to primarily be a forward.  And that Melbourne should make Gus a higher priority than Jackson.

Yes that’s what Niall is saying. But he misses the point that Jackson is a unicorn and he should be a priority for 18 clubs. 

11 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Yes that’s what Niall is saying. But he misses the point that Jackson is a unicorn and he should be a priority for 18 clubs. 

Agree, having a ‘needs’ discussion when talking about Jackson is tacitly saying you don’t rate him. He can be so much more expansive than the role he is currently developing in.

Absolute jet.

The hype around Jackson – burnished by excessive praise for his grand final ruck work in the third quarter – is a further sign of a footy culture in which players are often paid or purchased on perceived potential rather than proven performance;

Jake Niall - July 6, 2022

9 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Not great if they both say they’re off to Freo. 

But also they are going to Freo, to play them in Rd 20..

11 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Yes that’s what Niall is saying. But he misses the point that Jackson is a unicorn and he should be a priority for 18 clubs. 

Not really.  He isn't doubting Jackson's value, more where is the best fit for him and at what cost.  And in his view the best fit is West Coast. 

I reckon Jackson will be a fabulous player but would he as highly rated as he is now, if he didn't have one of the top 3 mid-fields of this century to partner him? 

The real test for him will be when he has to play predominately one position as the main man be it fwd or ruck week in and week out.  We won't know that for a few years.

5 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

The hype around Jackson – burnished by excessive praise for his grand final ruck work in the third quarter – is a further sign of a footy culture in which players are often paid or purchased on perceived potential rather than proven performance;

Jake Niall - July 6, 2022

Glen McLean.

4 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Not really.  He isn't doubting Jackson's value, more where is the best fit for him and at what cost.  And in his view the best fit is West Coast. 

I reckon Jackson will be a fabulous player but would he as highly rated as he is now, if he didn't have one of the top 3 mid-fields of this century to partner him? 

The real test for him will be when he has to play predominately one position as the main man be it fwd or ruck week in and week out.  We won't know that for a few years.

I think it's a good read. Freo have firmly planted themselves into the window and it doesn't make a lot of sense to splash the cash on potential when their main need is probably a key forward. As Jake says in the article "Jackson is not a key forward that can chop out Darcy in the Ruck occasionally". 

Mates of mine reckon it's about money and that Freo can offer more. I don't think Freo is the riches that people think they do to throw at him. As I've mentioned previously on this thread Freo have a bunch of players out of contract either this year or next year whom have been critical to their success this year, also Young and Brayshaw signed long term. I'm sure their offer would be marginally more than ours but it won't be dwarfing it in my opinion. 

And around and around we go, where it ends nobody knows 

3 minutes ago, layzie said:

I think it's a good read. Freo have firmly planted themselves into the window and it doesn't make a lot of sense to splash the cash on potential when their main need is probably a key forward. As Jake says in the article "Jackson is not a key forward that can chop out Darcy in the Ruck occasionally".

NIal says:  "Whichever of these three paths Jackson takes, neither of Melbourne nor (especially) Fremantle should be offering the kind of massive contract that has been mooted – not accurately, this column has gleaned from well-placed sources – to the 20-year-old West Aussie".

Ie the rumoured offers are overstated.

18 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

The hype around Jackson – burnished by excessive praise for his grand final ruck work in the third quarter – is a further sign of a footy culture in which players are often paid or purchased on perceived potential rather than proven performance;

Jake Niall - July 6, 2022

Mirrored in this scene from MoneyBall.......1.30 - 1.50

 

 

After promising not to return to this thread until page 50 I think I have safely kept my word, So...

Niall as an interesting perspective but more importantly might pour some cold water on an overheated situation which can only help us. 

47 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Not really.  He isn't doubting Jackson's value, more where is the best fit for him and at what cost.  And in his view the best fit is West Coast. 

I reckon Jackson will be a fabulous player but would he as highly rated as he is now, if he didn't have one of the top 3 mid-fields of this century to partner him? 

The real test for him will be when he has to play predominately one position as the main man be it fwd or ruck week in and week out.  We won't know that for a few years.

I think he would be because he mostly wins his own ball. The ability to leap in the ruck, land and immediately take off at full speed to gather the loose ball, tackle or spread is undeniable. He is worth the investment IMO.

And I think the flexibility he provides as a second ruckman is way understated. He will never play just one position because he is able to fill others roles when the players are on the interchange.

41 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

NIal says:  "Whichever of these three paths Jackson takes, neither of Melbourne nor (especially) Fremantle should be offering the kind of massive contract that has been mooted – not accurately, this column has gleaned from well-placed sources – to the 20-year-old West Aussie".

Ie the rumoured offers are overstated.

It does seem like the money club is West Coast. Sure Freo could back-end a deal but if it's about money for Luke then it would seem not the best offer to take at this stage. 

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

The hype around Jackson – burnished by excessive praise for his grand final ruck work in the third quarter – is a further sign of a footy culture in which players are often paid or purchased on perceived potential rather than proven performance;

Jake Niall - July 6, 2022

Jackson’s performance v Lions was not hype or potential.  He showed even at 20, what he can bring as a leading ruckman. Except for Viney’s incredible performance,  Jackson was probably next best for the Dees. And he will get better. 

We should be more worried about the AFL trying to pinch a couple of our top-liners in the next cuppla years for the new Hobart Start-Up.

PS Does anyone have any good knowledge of the best surf beaches down south?

Edited July 6, 20222 yr by bush demon
SURF REPORT.

1 minute ago, bush demon said:

We should be more worried about the AFL trying to pinch a couple of our top-liners in the next cuppla years for the new Hobart Start-Up.

Our best players are locked in for the decade.

What Niall doesn’t say is that if LJ stays at Melbourne he WILL have an elite Midfield to work with 

The Media want him to go. It creates more Media 

Jake makes some interesting points but I think he is underselling Jackson now and his potential. Angus is clearly having a great year and a far more proven player and I hope he stays as well but if he does go our list is in a better spot to cover him than if LJ leaves in my opinion and gun talls are harder to find than midfielders / halfbacks. 

12 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

What Niall doesn’t say is that if LJ stays at Melbourne he WILL have an elite Midfield to work with 

The Media want him to go. It creates more Media 

The paper seller this week is the Freo narrative. 

25 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

What Niall doesn’t say is that if LJ stays at Melbourne he WILL have an elite Midfield to work with 

The Media want him to go. It creates more Media 

Exactly - it's not just working with Max, it's working with Tracca, Oliver, Viney, Harmes, Sparrow, Jordon, Langdon, Brayshaw(?) - Freo have a very good midfield too but Fyfe and Mundy won't be around forever either.