Farewell Luke Jackson

[D4Demon 16]

19 minutes ago, The_Wrecker_45 said:

Pretty sure it's Lobb's manager referring to Fremantle knowing he would be requesting a trade again this year.

Ah good point. I misread that.

[DeeSpencer 23,636]

13 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

If Cerra were available this year, would we really want him for Jackson though?  Not sure he is really what we need in any case.

Yes we would, but I think we’d also be letting a midfielder go. I get in trouble when I mention who I’d let it go if Cerra was coming in but it might rhyme with Bus Playflaw. 

[Dante 2,577]

52 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Whilst that isn’t really fair, frankly, yes.

Most of the worst trades involve paying big prices for players who can’t get on the park or play to the best of their abilities due to injuries.

There’s plenty of time for Lever to deliver a lot more good footy for us but apart from 2021 he hasn’t delivered. I’m not expecting to win the flag each year and Lever’s just about paid for himself getting us 1 flag, but dogs fans said that about Tom Boyd who played about 1 good game in his entire contract. It’s fairly true but also underwhelming.

We paid a similar price for May as we did Lever, and after an awful first year he’s been All Aus level in 3 of 4 years. 

I’m sure Lever and the club both expect him to string some good years together to continue to get value from the deal. That’s not unreasonable. 

That also applies to players selected in the draft, it's the nature of the game we play.

I'm not sure what you are getting at, you appear to have backtracked a bit, but we will judge his output when his career is over and not when it's a few years in and he already has one flag in his kit.

 

[whatwhat say what 20,295]

32 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Yes we would, but I think we’d also be letting a midfielder go. I get in trouble when I mention who I’d let it go if Cerra was coming in but it might rhyme with Bus Playflaw. 

i'm one of jog's biggest critics on this site but he's a far superior player to cerra

the only way i wanted to see gus moved on was if it meant that dog was definitely staying; the minute we confirmed the former was staying it was obvious the later was on the way out

[KLV 1,692]

Sucked in on day 1 of trade radio and heard the genius Brenton Sanderson give his take on how Grundy gets to us and Jackson to Freo.

Pick 13 from Freo to Melbourne for Jackson 

Ontrade pick 13 to Collingwood for Grundy.

And… he suggested pies may need something more from us, like second rounder or a player eg: Weids!!!

to cap off his work, he says he can’t see how Grundy improves Melbourne.

FFS

 

[DeeSpencer 23,636]

8 minutes ago, KLV said:

Sucked in on day 1 of trade radio and heard the genius Brenton Sanderson give his take on how Grundy gets to us and Jackson to Freo.

Pick 13 from Freo to Melbourne for Jackson 

Ontrade pick 13 to Collingwood for Grundy.

And… he suggested pies may need something more from us, like second rounder or a player eg: Weids!!!

to cap off his work, he says he can’t see how Grundy improves Melbourne.

FFS

 

I can’t think of another coach that had a very healthy win percentage, was stiff to get sacked and then was never thought of as a good assistant yet alone in the mix to get another senior gig. Probably something to that 

[Ugottobekidding 915]

12 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I can’t think of another coach that had a very healthy win percentage, was stiff to get sacked and then was never thought of as a good assistant yet alone in the mix to get another senior gig. Probably something to that 

He was a [censored] and the players hated him.

[ElDiablo14 3,672]

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Whilst that isn’t really fair, frankly, yes.

Most of the worst trades involve paying big prices for players who can’t get on the park or play to the best of their abilities due to injuries.

There’s plenty of time for Lever to deliver a lot more good footy for us but apart from 2021 he hasn’t delivered. I’m not expecting to win the flag each year and Lever’s just about paid for himself getting us 1 flag, but dogs fans said that about Tom Boyd who played about 1 good game in his entire contract. It’s fairly true but also underwhelming.

We paid a similar price for May as we did Lever, and after an awful first year he’s been All Aus level in 3 of 4 years. 

I’m sure Lever and the club both expect him to string some good years together to continue to get value from the deal. That’s not unreasonable. 

Bit stiff on Lever, he had immediate impact in 2018 (only hampered by the injury). 2019 a [censored] year for the whole team.

2020 was decent 

2021 All Australian 

2022 Inconsistent

For mine it's still a good deal for us so far. Just consider were Adelaide is at the moment...

 

[rpfc 27,673]

14 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Bit stiff on Lever, he had immediate impact in 2018 (only hampered by the injury). 2019 a [censored] year for the whole team.

2020 was decent 

2021 All Australian 

2022 Inconsistent

For mine it's still a good deal for us so far. Just consider were Adelaide is at the moment...

 

And he was played through injury in 2022. What I saw as painful plantarus issues that looked very painful. Don’t know if @Webbersaw him take his boot off at HT in the middle of the year. He played through that but it is painful to play through.

[Redleg 38,431]

Where is that Insta photo of Clarry and Liam Henry anyone?

[Binmans PA 26,663]

7 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Where is that Insta photo of Clarry and Liam Henry anyone?

 

[rpfc 27,673]

2 minutes ago, A F said:

 

I will admit I am not up with the ‘youth’ but is that a Black & Decker measuring tape in his left hand?

DIY fan, self starter, good signs, let’s get him.

[WalkingCivilWar 34,768]

1 minute ago, rpfc said:

I will admit I am not up with the ‘youth’ but is that a Black & Decker measuring tape in his left hand?

DIY fan, self starter, good signs, let’s get him.

I wanna know where he got his jeans from. They’re so cool. Let’s get him. 

[drysdale demon 4,312]

2 hours ago, Dante said:

"So far we’ve had 1 season where it was a steal and 4 seasons where we have been ripped off!"

How do you define ripped off?

So as far as you're concerned we were ripped off because he's been injured?

In hindsight would you have done the deal if you knew he was going to get injured? We did win a premiership with he being an integral part of the team.

I'm not sure what you are saying, is it the fact we have only won one Flag whilst he's been there because we were ripped off?

I'm just happy DeeSpencer has nothing to do with our recruiting.

[picket fence 15,735]

Dazzle man... whats your take on Liam Henry??

[mmwd6 214]

21 minutes ago, rpfc said:

I will admit I am not up with the ‘youth’ but is that a Black & Decker measuring tape in his left hand?

DIY fan, self starter, good signs, let’s get him.

Think it might be a disposal camera? Who knows.

I'm fairly sure Henry came up on trade radio today and when they asked his manager if he was going to be at freo next year it was a straightforward "Yes." 

I don't want him anyway tbh. Looks a spud. 

[rpfc 27,673]

1 minute ago, mmwd6 said:

Think it might be a disposal camera? Who knows.

I'm fairly sure Henry came up on trade radio today and when they asked his manager if he was going to be at freo next year it was a straightforward "Yes." 

I don't want him anyway tbh. Looks a spud. 

Yeah, he ain’t great but role players need environment and an achievable role. It is the literal difference between ANB 2021 and, well, ANB any other year. Or, and here is a controversial take - the difference between Stengle 2022 and ‘just another FP’.

[daisycutter 28,722]

2 hours ago, rpfc said:

I will admit I am not up with the ‘youth’ but is that a Black & Decker measuring tape in his left hand?

DIY fan, self starter, good signs, let’s get him.

think it's maybe a vape stick

[The Jackson FIX 2,306]

5 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

think it's maybe a vape stick

Could also be an Instagram machine… I can’t tell without my glasses though 

[Redleg 38,431]

3 hours ago, A F said:

 

Thanks AF.

[Webber 10,181]

13 hours ago, rpfc said:

And he was played through injury in 2022. What I saw as painful plantarus issues that looked very painful. Don’t know if @Webbersaw him take his boot off at HT in the middle of the year. He played through that but it is painful to play through.

Didn’t see that particular thing, but it appears (with provided hindsight) a lot of the players were ‘playing injured’ this season, to the extent that it limited their output, and progressively. The maxim of questions regarding playing ‘through injury’ is ultimately pretty simple- can I perform, to what level, and how will I be affected during the game? The deal-breaker question, at least before finals, is - will this get progressively worse if I keep playing? If that falls closer to the ‘no’ side, and the former is considered acceptable diminishment (a very squishy, subjective judgement), then A - graders in particular will keep playing - Max with his NQR ankle, Lever with ? plantar fasciitis, Salem with knee, Tracc being crook mid-season, and so on. As has been prosecuted on here, the club might have misjudged the need to ‘rest and rotate’ during the season, at least before we got to our must win last few rounds. This ‘misjudgement’ seems worse because of the all-conquering Casey season. Doubtless they’ll look to a new approach next season. For Geelong, it was so much easier, because what turned out to be an easy fixture fell into their home-ground gifted lap. 

[rpfc 27,673]

2 hours ago, Webber said:

Didn’t see that particular thing, but it appears (with provided hindsight) a lot of the players were ‘playing injured’ this season, to the extent that it limited their output, and progressively. The maxim of questions regarding playing ‘through injury’ is ultimately pretty simple- can I perform, to what level, and how will I be affected during the game? The deal-breaker question, at least before finals, is - will this get progressively worse if I keep playing? If that falls closer to the ‘no’ side, and the former is considered acceptable diminishment (a very squishy, subjective judgement), then A - graders in particular will keep playing - Max with his NQR ankle, Lever with ? plantar fasciitis, Salem with knee, Tracc being crook mid-season, and so on. As has been prosecuted on here, the club might have misjudged the need to ‘rest and rotate’ during the season, at least before we got to our must win last few rounds. This ‘misjudgement’ seems worse because of the all-conquering Casey season. Doubtless they’ll look to a new approach next season. For Geelong, it was so much easier, because what turned out to be an easy fixture fell into their home-ground gifted lap. 

I will push back slightly on the hindsight proviso to make such comment but I agree there are no easy decisions when it comes to playing your best players when they are injured. We either play through and possibly lose and be banged up or we rest en masse and get beaten and be fresh to finish 9th (I would have strategically rested a couple in the middle of the season but that is neither here nor there).

But I was more defending Lever in that, with the midst of having so many of our better players pushing through injury, Lever’s in particular looked hard to play through. And he often looked like he couldn’t push off his right foot and that would impact his form and ability to compete. I thought it was deeper than the fasciitis and the plantarus muscle? I am no expert but I had this a couple seasons back and it made it hard to walk after a game, painful during a game and then I took a month off because of that uncomfortableness.

This is just a long way of saying that people shouldn’t criticise Jake for 2022. Just one of those things.

Edited September 27, 2022 by rpfc

[layzie 30,235]

15 hours ago, rpfc said:

I will admit I am not up with the ‘youth’ but is that a Black & Decker measuring tape in his left hand?

DIY fan, self starter, good signs, let’s get him.

Great spot up!

[Kent 2,673]

16 hours ago, KLV said:

Sucked in on day 1 of trade radio and heard the genius Brenton Sanderson give his take on how Grundy gets to us and Jackson to Freo.

Pick 13 from Freo to Melbourne for Jackson 

Ontrade pick 13 to Collingwood for Grundy.

And… he suggested pies may need something more from us, like second rounder or a player eg: Weids!!!

to cap off his work, he says he can’t see how Grundy improves Melbourne.

FFS

 

I agree I cant see how he improves us either no matter how hard I try

[chookrat 3,849]

On 9/24/2022 at 9:04 AM, Matt said:

The club do always say that the trade period for them is not about winning individual trades, but is about the total sum of who we bring in vs who we let go

Yep and this is an intelligent way for us to approach trades. Being regarded as fair and able to make deals done that bring in the players we need also make us an attractive destination for players as they know if we're interested in bringing them in then we will get the deal done.  We don't end up in the messy situation where clubs dig their heels in and deals either don't get done or one side concedes at the last minute.