Farewell Luke Jackson

[spirit of norm smith 16,596]

39 minutes ago, mmwd6 said:

The fact that they're refusing to give up pick 2 means that they have no effect when it comes to negotiations. 

Expect the deal to go through today for 13, F1, F2 (freo) --> Jackson, F3 (essendon)

Yes I agree. 

probably be pick 13, F1, F2 (freo) for Jackson, F3 (essendon).
 

needed for a top 6-7 pick at very least as well as Freo future 1st  … dockers were poor in not trading up 

But imv I think we’re getting screwed for a Ruck/mid/fwd, 21yo, Generational player, rising star winner and premiership player. 

[Adam The God 30,541]

12 minutes ago, mmwd6 said:

We're not moving Weid FOR the jackson deal. We're just moving him because he wants to move and we dont want him, 

Exactly. That's what I believe. Some on here are claiming Weideman is tied to Jackson.

[Roger Mellie 4,148]

8 minutes ago, A F said:

Exactly. That's what I believe. Some on here are claiming Weideman is tied to Jackson.

I also think that's why we were looking at Schache as a DFA

[Redleg 41,737]

14 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes I agree. 

probably be pick 13, F1, F2 (freo) for Jackson, F3 (essendon).
 

needed for a top 6-7 pick at very least as well as Freo future 1st  … dockers were poor in not trading up 

But imv I think we’re getting screwed for a Ruck/mid/fwd, 21yo, Generational player, rising star winner and premiership player. 

I would hope that at least that F2 is the North one. 

[Mel Bourne 4,534]

31 minutes ago, A F said:

Beat me to it haha.

You're a year older than me and therefore like me, a Gen Y. Treating one group of people as a monolith hasn't been that helpful in the recent past and it amounts to nothing more than patronising, needless culture wars.

I'd say (as a Gen-Xer) the term "Ok Boomer" is a tad 'monolithic' too. 

And as crudely it was originally put by the OP, there is a genuine increase in anxiety/depression and a host of other neurological maladies in the younger population these days, which is a legitimate (and unfortunate) factor in the discussion of young player's mindsets.

 

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Mel Bourne

[Matt 424]

21 minutes ago, A F said:

Exactly. That's what I believe. Some on here are claiming Weideman is tied to Jackson.

I think the Weid pick may be, as we might need the Bedford pick to add to/combine with 27, to trade for Grundy

[mmwd6 227]

5 minutes ago, Matt said:

I think the Weid pick may be, as we might need the Bedford pick to add to/combine with 27, to trade for Grundy

The pick will be. But it's not like we're trading him just so that we can facilitate the Jackson deal like some have implied

[BDA 22,956]

1 hour ago, Mel Bourne said:

 

Based on what? A vibe?

Freo are looking a cert for finals next year, and this future first of theirs has not exactly gotten me all that excited.

They have a similar game plan to us which teams had worked out by the end of the year. Very stodgy ball movement, forward half more dysfunctional than us

They lose Mundy and a number of other players, they’ll have a harder draw

Longmuir is a good coach. He may well tweak the game plan and improve them again. They’re every chance to play finals but I just have my doubts and won’t be surprised if they miss out  

[BDA 22,956]

Our firm takes on graduates fresh out of uni every year. Maybe it's our recruitment processes, I don't know, but they are as hard working and switched on as previous cohorts. Definitely not snowflakes as they are sometimes portrayed to be. I'm in finance so might be different in other sectors

The increases in anxiety could just be a consequence of greater acceptance in society of mental health as opposed to an actual increase. Having said that I can't see how social media and the pile on culture could be anything other than detrimental to people's mental health

[Demon17 5,211]

18 minutes ago, BDA said:

They have a similar game plan to us which teams had worked out by the end of the year. Very stodgy ball movement, forward half more dysfunctional than us

They lose Mundy and a number of other players, they’ll have a harder draw

Longmuir is a good coach. He may well tweak the game plan and improve them again. They’re every chance to play finals but I just have my doubts and won’t be surprised if they miss out  

Me too.

Every year, at least 2 teams slip out of the Final 8, sometimes 3.  The av is 2.7.

Lets say its 2 teams fall out.  I reckon Freo are in the frame to be one of them. Maybe Dogs too.  Blues and Power to come in.

The rest Tiges, Lions Dees, cats, swans, Pies (maybe),  keep their spots.

Freo's picks may well be attractive.

[Adam The God 30,541]

44 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

I'd say (as a Gen-Xer) the term "Ok Boomer" is a tad 'monolithic' too. 

Of course it is. I tend not enter into the generational warfare stuff. It gives me the [censored].

44 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

And as crudely it was originally put by the OP, there is a genuine increase in anxiety/depression and a host of other neurological maladies in the younger population these days, which is a legitimate (and unfortunate) factor in the discussion of young player's mindsets.

Is it an increase in anxiety/depression or is it a better ability to diagnose conditions and seek help for them without being socially shunned? Edit. @BDA nails it above.

Edited October 10, 2022 by A F

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

strap your pants on kids.

[Mel Bourne 4,534]

16 minutes ago, A F said:

Of course it is. I tend not enter into the generational warfare stuff. It gives me the [censored].

Is it an increase in anxiety/depression or is it a better ability to diagnose conditions and seek help for them without being socially shunned? Edit. @BDA nails it above.

There is definitely the element of increased diagnoses pumping up the numbers. 

But thanks to the Information Age, we now get served up news about climate change, potential nuclear war, increasing wealth divides and widespread corruption with our breakfasts. 

Then throw in social media and the various elements of that which all add up to “you’re not doing enough with your life” (or worse), and you’ve got the perfect storm for the mental health epidemic we’re currently witnessing.

Note, I’m not framing this as a “young people are snowflakes” argument. Which is what BDA was addressing to another poster.  

 

 

 

 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

[Bystander 903]

43 minutes ago, BDA said:

Our firm takes on graduates fresh out of uni every year. Maybe it's our recruitment processes, I don't know, but they are as hard working and switched on as previous cohorts. Definitely not snowflakes as they are sometimes portrayed to be. I'm in finance so might be different in other sectors

The increases in anxiety could just be a consequence of greater acceptance in society of mental health as opposed to an actual increase. Having said that I can't see how social media and the pile on culture could be anything other than detrimental to people's mental health

In previous years players got slaps on the back and some abuse over the fence. Now there is an avalanche of personal criticism.

 "Your opinion of me is none of business" would help.  But easier said than done.

[Adam The God 30,541]

1 minute ago, Mel Bourne said:

There is definitely the element of increased diagnoses pumping up the numbers. 

But thanks to the Information Age, we now get served up news about climate change, potential nuclear war, increasing wealth divides and widespread corruption with our breakfasts. 

Then throw in social media and the various elements of that which all add up to “you’re not doing enough with your life” (or worse), and you’ve got the perfect storm for the mental health epidemic we’re currently witnessing.

Note, I’m not framing this as a “young people are snowflakes” argument. Which is what BDA was addressing to another poster.  

 

 

 

 

I agree although I think the 24 hour news cycle and social media is impacting all generations though.

[dazzledavey36 55,456]

It's here..

 

[mmwd6 227]

Trade has been done

[Mel Bourne 4,534]

6 minutes ago, A F said:

I agree although I think the 24 hour news cycle and social media is impacting all generations though.

Sure, but on Demonland we’re primarily discussing folks between 17-30 years of age. 

[dazzledavey36 55,456]

 

[DeeSpencer 26,091]

2 hours ago, Stiff Arm said:

Straw man comment. Not unexpected 

Mundy's spot will be will be hard for Freo to fill adequately, regardless of B&F finish

Fwiw, I too think Freo might drop a little, maybe 8 or 9. Logue, Acres and possibly Lobb are also significant outs.

Time will tell

If they get the coaching right and he develops his midfield craft as quickly as I think he can Jackson should take a lot of Mundy’s midfield minutes. 

Mundy was still getting the ball but he was a defensive liability, Jackson can be a defensive force and an even bigger body. That will allow Brayshaw and Serong to play more attacking roles. They will need one of their young mids to step up though to give cover for when Jackson rucks or is on the bench.

I expect Freo to be excellent defensively again and no worse in attack. There’s a chance it goes either way but they seem rock solid 4-10th on the ladder. 

[dazzledavey36 55,456]

Looks like pick 13 is the starting point.

[DubDee 26,191]

I don't know the trade details but I'm already really disappointed with the result

[Neil Crompton 5,728]

I think there is more chance of the Dees missing the 8 than Freo next year.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,717]

Lets see if we got bent over a barrel.