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Farewell Luke Jackson

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5 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Why would he extend for two years if we was guaranteed an eight-year deal with Fremantle at over $10 million.. any number of things could occur in those two years that could lower his value. A short term extension just isn’t going to happen. 

Freo are nuts if this deal is accurate. He could do his ACL or have some other injury that brings him back to the pack. No guarantee he will be a super star at his age.

Huge long term contracts are very risky. Even Buddy contract was 50/50  because he missed almost two seasons overall  with injuries.

Who will buy Grundy's contract? Cannot see Pies paying another ex player to play elsewhere.

What about Coniglio at GWS ? Another longterm disaster.

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    41 minutes ago, willmoy said:

    Is it being said in interviews with Jackson now that he has got an offer from MFC that his group are still considering.

    Which interviews ?

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    12 minutes ago, deebunked said:

    Freo are nuts if this deal is accurate. He could do his ACL or have some other injury that brings him back to the pack. No guarantee he will be a super star at his age.

    Huge long term contracts are very risky. Even Buddy contract was 50/50  because he missed almost two seasons overall  with injuries.

    Who will buy Grundy's contract? Cannot see Pies paying another ex player to play elsewhere.

    What about Coniglio at GWS ? Another longterm disaster.

    So what do you think of Oliver & Petraccas contacts

    lm wrap we’ve got them for that long

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    The whole contract thing seems odd. 

    If Jackson wants to go to Freo they don't need to offer such big $ or term.  They could do 4 or 5 years on a more moderate package.  He isn't likely to go anywhere else when it expires.  Then renew another 3 or 4 years on big or bigger $ depending on how he goes.

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    Just now, Lucifers Hero said:

    The whole contract thing seems odd. 

    If Jackson wants to go to Freo they don't need to offer such big $ or term.  They could do 4 or 5 years on a more moderate package.  He isn't likely to go anywhere else when it expires.  Then renew another 3 or 4 years on big or bigger $ depending on how he goes.

    Bidding against wce perhaps?

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    32 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

    I’m a West Aussie and spent a good part of my 20’s away from my mummy dug in in Iraq and Afghan. Happy to be called soft to my face if you’d like.

    Also, things change. Family members can become I’ll, you get homesick, meet someone who’s from another city.. he’s entitled to change his plans. 

    100% correct. If he wants to pick a life changing deal & go home good luck to him. Hopefully Demons can offer something pretty good - Grundy is a lesson for the future - our list managers have been great to date!!

    If it happens we just need to get a fair deal - look at Cameron age 28, Tim Kelly age 26, 3 1st rounders or 2 and a decent player seems in the ballpark.

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    9 minutes ago, Billy said:

    So what do you think of Oliver & Petraccas contacts

    lm wrap we’ve got them for that long

    Agree. Called balanced risk for 2 of best 5 players we’ve had in last 50 years, paying slightly unders to each for long term certainty!

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    41 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

    I’m a West Aussie and spent a good part of my 20’s away from my mummy dug in in Iraq and Afghan. Happy to be called soft to my face if you’d like.

    Also, things change. Family members can become I’ll, you get homesick, meet someone who’s from another city.. he’s entitled to change his plans. 

    Is that some sort of threat?

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    18 minutes ago, adonski said:

    Bidding against wce perhaps?

    Perhaps.  But that suggests Jackson might play one off against the other and I wouldn't have thought he was the type.

    One would hope that if he chooses a club he isn't going to nickle and dime them but go there for the right reasons.

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    1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

    I’m a West Aussie and spent a good part of my 20’s away from my mummy dug in in Iraq and Afghan. Happy to be called soft to my face if you’d like.

    Also, things change. Family members can become I’ll, you get homesick, meet someone who’s from another city.. he’s entitled to change his plans. 

    Surely you’re not comparing footy to war??

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    19 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

    Is that some sort of threat?

    I wouldn't think so, I would suggest all he is saying if you want to call someone soft at least have the courage to do it face to face.

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    1 minute ago, drysdale demon said:

    I wouldn't think so, I would suggest all he is saying if you want to call someone soft at least have the courage to do it face to face.

     

    Just now, Ethan Tremblay said:

    It’s an invitation. 

    Oh, so @Ethan Tremblayjust had to mention he was in the military, wear his service  in Afghanistan and Iraq as some badge of honour, then tell me I could call him soft to his face. Right. What would have happened if you deserted your service group while serving Ethan? 

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    24 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

    Is that some sort of threat?

     

    2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

    It’s an invitation. 

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    6 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

     

    Oh, so @Ethan Tremblayjust had to mention he was in the military, wear his service  in Afghanistan and Iraq as some badge of honour, then tell me I could call him soft to his face. Right. What would have happened if you deserted your service group while serving Ethan? 

    I was responding to your post where you called all West Aussies soft: I most definitely don’t wear my service as a badge of honour. There’s laws against deserting your regiment/unit during an operation or deployment. I discharged from defence when it was time for me to move on, there were no issues. LJ is free to do what he wants too. 

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    23 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

    I was responding to your post where you called all West Aussies soft: I most definitely don’t wear my service as a badge of honour. There’s laws against deserting your regiment/unit during an operation or deployment. I discharged from defence when it was time for me to move on, there were no issues. LJ is free to do what he wants too. 

    But you thought you’d compare deployment to war with football. This kid was granted extra home time last year. He lives three hours away. He is not serving in the army. It’s a really unusual comparison. 
     

    ironically, if he’d made it to the NBA he would have been playing all over the country and likely traded twice in a season. 
     

    I hope it all works out for him back in WA. 

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    1 minute ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

    But you thought you’d compare deployment to war with football. This kid was granted extra home time last year. He lives three hours away. He is not serving in the army. It’s a really unusual comparison. 
     

    ironically, if he’d made it to the NBA he would have been playing all over the country and likely traded twice in a season. 
     

    I hope it all works out for him back in WA. 

    His contract ends this year…not sure what bit about that you don’t understand.

    ET did not compare footy to war at all…suggest you read his post again

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    1 hour ago, mo64 said:

    Where do you rate Jackson in terms of MVP at Melbourne? If I'm generous, I'd rate him at 10th. He's young and out of contract, so Freo see him as gettable. If the money Freo are offering is true, then Jackson will be the most overpaid player in the AFL next year.

    In terms of his trade value, I'm drawing a comparison to players like Dangerfield, T.Kelly and Cameron. All of these players were established stars. Amongst the 3 trades, only 1 top 10 pick was received by the club losing the player. On average, 2 1st round picks in the teens plus steak knives was the deal. I'm expecting that for Jackson.

    I rate Jackson as an immense talent and most importantly, a proven performer in the GF. He's a mile off peaking so I wouldn't bother with current MVP's and I suspect Freo don't either, although I'm sure they will try and dampen his value utilising those very stats.

    It's reasonable to be drawing comparisons with Danger, Kelly and Cameron for trade value but it's skewed by the fact he has so many more years ahead of him. What would rival clubs have paid for Dangerfield or Cameron in their 4th year of footy? Who knows? If they're going to pay him ridiculous money then they can't offer up average players, but then again, we're dealing with Bell, so I'm confident he'll live up to his reputation and be hunting a second feather in his cap.

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    10 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

    But you thought you’d compare deployment to war with football. This kid was granted extra home time last year. He lives three hours away. He is not serving in the army. It’s a really unusual comparison. 
     

    ironically, if he’d made it to the NBA he would have been playing all over the country and likely traded twice in a season. 
     

    I hope it all works out for him back in WA. 

    The point was that you called all West Aussies soft who didn’t want to leave their mums. I’m from WA, had no issues with leaving my parents, and warring isn’t soft. It wasn’t a comparison to war, you’ve missed the point. Happy to leave it there. 

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    2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

    The point was that you called all West Aussies soft who didn’t want to leave their mums. I’m from WA, had no issues with leaving my parents, and warring isn’t soft. It wasn’t a comparison to war. 

    Hyperbole obviously lost on you. It is undeniable though that West Australians get homesick very easily and inevitably ask to be traded home. The very reason we went cold on Nic Nat. 

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    I lived for 5 years in WA and I got homesick. Put a sock in it for gods sake Kick-it

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    8 minutes ago, Roger Mellie said:

    I rate Jackson as an immense talent and most importantly, a proven performer in the GF. He's a mile off peaking so I wouldn't bother with current MVP's and I suspect Freo don't either, although I'm sure they will try and dampen his value utilising those very stats.

    It's reasonable to be drawing comparisons with Danger, Kelly and Cameron for trade value but it's skewed by the fact he has so many more years ahead of him. What would rival clubs have paid for Dangerfield or Cameron in their 4th year of footy? Who knows? If they're going to pay him ridiculous money then they can't offer up average players, but then again, we're dealing with Bell, so I'm confident he'll live up to his reputation and be hunting a second feather in his cap.

    That's a ridiculous measurement. There's been plenty of players who have played well in Grand Finals that had average careers. Shane Ellen is the first that comes to mind. And playing well in 1 game doesn't make you a proven anything.

    We won't be asking for any players, aside from steak knives Meek. As Goodwindees said, we'll get draft picks, and potentially pursue a free agent with our cap space.

    I'm predicting we get a latter top 10 pick, another 1st rd (this year or next) and steak knives Meek. There may also be shuffling of picks.

     

     

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    I can’t believe that anyone can think of swapping him just for draft picks. A draft pick is the possibility of getting a good player; Jackson is proven as a player, his attitude is established and so is his physical durability. He can only be replaced by an established star. Plenty of top draft picks have failed. Of course we remember the draft picks that succeed; the failures are forgotten as they were of forgettable players.

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    19 minutes ago, Demonland said:

     

    So, like every other commentator, Twomey hasn’t got a clue how Fremantle get a trade done. I don’t think they are getting much for Lobb or Acres. It seems like Freo are going to have to get creative. 

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