On 21/07/2022 at 03:02, Demon Disciple said:

A second flag would make his leaving a little easier to bare.

You're planning a nudie run if we win the flag this year?   

  On 21/07/2022 at 05:21, ChaserJ said:

Who knows whether the prospect of getting traded to a strong Vic club might make one of the previously settled Vic kids put their hand up to return home? 

Enjoyed this reply, in all he gloom in the thread it reminded me that we are a 'strong Vic club' aha! 

 

 

How come so many other clubs keep their best players together and nice play fair MFC at last get four or five and we aren't under the salary cap.Yet bloody Carlton Geelong and Richmond, to name a few, don't appear to have any problem, and don't gimme that bs about accepting smaller contracts.

Funniest thing about these glass half empty LJ opinions, is many of you don’t have an awareness of how hypocritical you are being. 

ie “I don’t think LJ is a generational talent”, and “I have full confidence that Jason Taylor will find a more than adequate replacement”

If you ask Jason Taylor what he thinks of LJ, his response without hesitation is “generational talent” 

  On 21/07/2022 at 05:41, willmoy said:

How come so many other clubs keep their best players together and nice play fair MFC at last get four or five and we aren't under the salary cap.Yet bloody Carlton Geelong and Richmond, to name a few, don't appear to have any problem, and don't gimme that bs about accepting smaller contracts.

We've still kept our best players together long term.

Richmond constantly lost players through their premiership years. Rance would have been on big coin. Then they lost role players like Ellis, Higgins, Butler and developing players like Chol and CCJ. 

McKay and Curnow come out of contract next year, so the Blues will be under the pump.

How Geelong stays under the cap is a head scratcher.

  On 21/07/2022 at 05:41, willmoy said:

How come so many other clubs keep their best players together and nice play fair MFC at last get four or five and we aren't under the salary cap.Yet bloody Carlton Geelong and Richmond, to name a few, don't appear to have any problem, and don't gimme that bs about accepting smaller contracts.

You can accumulate salary cap deficits over multiple years. Blues publicly stated a few years ago, that they had strategically being paying under the annual salary cap for a number of years to build a war chest to go after gun players 

 

  On 21/07/2022 at 05:12, djr said:

That's a huge contract for a player that has accumulated only 3 Brownlow Votes in his career. 

Shows how overrated the Brownlow Medal is

Grand Finals are a far more superior indicator of Talent

  On 21/07/2022 at 05:58, 1964_2 said:

Funniest thing about these glass half empty LJ opinions, is many of you don’t have an awareness of how hypocritical you are being. 

ie “I don’t think LJ is a generational talent”, and “I have full confidence that Jason Taylor will find a more than adequate replacement”

If you ask Jason Taylor what he thinks of LJ, his response without hesitation is “generational talent” 

And Jessie Hogan was a generational talent. Jackson has potential to reach the levels of Nik Nat. In his 3rd year, he's continued to develop as a ruckman. But as a ruck/forward he's stagnated. I expected him to improve on his marking and goal scoring, but he's averaging the same as last year. If he was a competent forward, we wouldn't be so concerned with the loss of T Mac.

I'd call Nick Daicos a generational talent. I'd call Jackson a unique ruckman, who's elite at ground level for his size, but a work in progress in the air. He's still young, so that may improve, but he's not the complete package.

This Melbourne team isn't going to drop of the cliff without Jackson. 

  On 21/07/2022 at 06:15, mo64 said:

And Jessie Hogan was a generational talent. Jackson has potential to reach the levels of Nik Nat. In his 3rd year, he's continued to develop as a ruckman. But as a ruck/forward he's stagnated. I expected him to improve on his marking and goal scoring, but he's averaging the same as last year. If he was a competent forward, we wouldn't be so concerned with the loss of T Mac.

I'd call Nick Daicos a generational talent. I'd call Jackson a unique ruckman, who's elite at ground level for his size, but a work in progress in the air. He's still young, so that may improve, but he's not the complete package.

This Melbourne team isn't going to drop of the cliff without Jackson. 

You seem eager to talk down Jackson's ability and trade value. If Jackson is being offered anything like the money bandied around (which goes a long way to reflecting his value to Freo), they will have to come up with an acceptable trade. Lobb plus their first round pick, for example, won't cut it.

  On 21/07/2022 at 02:05, The Swimming Dee said:

A little harsh considering he is a premiership player. If he leaves I wish him all the best and hope that he has a great career. I also hope that we get the maximum out of any deal possible. Our recent performance with trading proves that the club is well versed at getting a deal done that is fair. A huge deal for Luke only assists us in maximising our trade capital.

I met Luke the day after the GF win and found him to be a really nice bloke. He is entitled to leave if he wishes…that is the system…just as Jake Lever and Steven May were entitled to leave their former clubs

Yeah, but there is the issue of him being extensively interviewed by the club and asked about moving home. This was done at the beginning of the draft. He made certain guarantees to the club and said he loved living here and had been here for Basketball and had an uncle here. The club were sucked in by this and took him. Now, like all soft West Aussies, he can’t be without his mum’s cooking and the small country town life Perth offers. 

  On 21/07/2022 at 06:33, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Yeah, but there is the issue of him being extensively interviewed by the club and asked about moving home. This was done at the beginning of the draft. He made certain guarantees to the club and said he loved living here and had been here for Basketball and had an uncle here. The club were sucked in by this and took him. Now, like all soft West Aussies, he can’t be without his mum’s cooking and the small country town life Perth offers. 

But his contract runs out at the end of this year…that is how a contract works.

I am also a West Aussie and don’t consider myself soft…or Luke for that matter. He is a premiership hero and I dislike the way some on here all of a sudden start criticising someone for doing something they are absolutely entitled to do.

He will always be a premiership hero in my eyes 

  On 21/07/2022 at 06:11, Sir Why You Little said:

Shows how overrated the Brownlow Medal is

Grand Finals are a far more superior indicator of Talent

Unless Clarry wins it😉

  On 21/07/2022 at 06:01, mo64 said:

We've still kept our best players together long term.

Richmond constantly lost players through their premiership years. Rance would have been on big coin. Then they lost role players like Ellis, Higgins, Butler and developing players like Chol and CCJ. 

McKay and Curnow come out of contract next year, so the Blues will be under the pump.

How Geelong stays under the cap is a head scratcher.

Cats have a few massive advantages:

1. Come live down at Geelong rather than paying $2 - $4M for a house, you get the same thing for $1 - $2M. Over 5 years is a $200K - $400K benefit per annum. Yes, you could look at it differently  on savings, but still a massive annual advantage.

2. Cats have done a very good job having players want to be part of successful club, and take slightly less salary.

3. Geelong area & surrounding districts produce many good junior players and fair go home factor.

4. Lifestyle on coast.

This combined means they probably have 10-20% salary cap benefit!

Other benefits Cats get:

- Massive govt support re stadium

- Huge home ground advantage, plus don’t have to really travel to get it (interstate clubs have huge home ground advantage but all away games have to fly)

- Home ground typically only get 500-1000 opposition supporters, so crowd influence umpires vs at MCG, Geelong can have 40-50k supportive turn up

- Home ground advantage different shape during H&A

- Soft cap advantage due to above points 1-4

The one disadvantage they have is come finals, they don’t play at Kardinia park, which means their style of play gets shown up!

Still they are a strong team, have improved from last year, but being best team June, July - August doesn’t mean you win the flag. 

  On 21/07/2022 at 06:11, Sir Why You Little said:

Shows how overrated the Brownlow Medal is

Grand Finals are a far more superior indicator of Talent

True. Tom Boyd played the best game of his career in a grand final. 

Edited July 21, 20222 yr by djr

  On 21/07/2022 at 06:32, Roger Mellie said:

You seem eager to talk down Jackson's ability and trade value. If Jackson is being offered anything like the money bandied around (which goes a long way to reflecting his value to Freo), they will have to come up with an acceptable trade. Lobb plus their first round pick, for example, won't cut it.

Where do you rate Jackson in terms of MVP at Melbourne? If I'm generous, I'd rate him at 10th. He's young and out of contract, so Freo see him as gettable. If the money Freo are offering is true, then Jackson will be the most overpaid player in the AFL next year.

In terms of his trade value, I'm drawing a comparison to players like Dangerfield, T.Kelly and Cameron. All of these players were established stars. Amongst the 3 trades, only 1 top 10 pick was received by the club losing the player. On average, 2 1st round picks in the teens plus steak knives was the deal. I'm expecting that for Jackson.

  On 21/07/2022 at 06:41, The Swimming Dee said:

But his contract runs out at the end of this year…that is how a contract works.

I am also a West Aussie and don’t consider myself soft…or Luke for that matter. He is a premiership hero and I dislike the way some on here all of a sudden start criticising someone for doing something they are absolutely entitled to do.

He will always be a premiership hero in my eyes 

He'll always be a premiership hero and I don't believe in booing premiership players but that doesn't stop people from being disappointed he may be leaving after only 3 years.

  On 21/07/2022 at 06:41, The Swimming Dee said:

But his contract runs out at the end of this year…that is how a contract works.

I am also a West Aussie and don’t consider myself soft…or Luke for that matter. He is a premiership hero and I dislike the way some on here all of a sudden start criticising someone for doing something they are absolutely entitled to do.

He will always be a premiership hero in my eyes 

He was asked to disclose his long term plans. He has been in Melbourne barely. Two COVID years, and now he is ready to pack up and take the big pay day. Sorry, but if he does that, despite it being his right, I will lose respect for him. 

  On 21/07/2022 at 06:54, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

He was asked to disclose his long term plans. He has been in Melbourne barely. Two COVID years, and now he is ready to pack up and take the big pay day. Sorry, but if he does that, despite it being his right, I will lose respect for him. 

No worries. I’ll agree to disagree

Is it being said in interviews with Jackson now that he has got an offer from MFC that his group are still considering.

  On 21/07/2022 at 05:27, Demonstone said:

You're planning a nudie run if we win the flag this year?   

Why not. I’ll run across the G starkers during the Premiership celebration if we get up. Best $6000 investment I’d ever make!

  On 21/07/2022 at 06:58, willmoy said:

Is it being said in interviews with Jackson now that he has got an offer from MFC that his group are still considering.

Exactly he hasn’t said anything yet - people here are getting too far ahead of themselves IMO 

Why would he extend for two years if we was guaranteed an eight-year deal with Fremantle at over $10 million.. any number of things could occur in those two years that could lower his value. A short term extension just isn’t going to happen. 

  On 21/07/2022 at 06:33, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Yeah, but there is the issue of him being extensively interviewed by the club and asked about moving home. This was done at the beginning of the draft. He made certain guarantees to the club and said he loved living here and had been here for Basketball and had an uncle here. The club were sucked in by this and took him. Now, like all soft West Aussies, he can’t be without his mum’s cooking and the small country town life Perth offers. 

I’m a West Aussie and spent a good part of my 20’s away from my mummy dug in in Iraq and Afghan. Happy to be called soft to my face if you’d like.

Also, things change. Family members can become I’ll, you get homesick, meet someone who’s from another city.. he’s entitled to change his plans. 

  On 20/07/2022 at 04:40, Redleg said:

He is AFL listed below average, on Intercept Marks and Kicks. He is 24.

Well if you want a Blake acres instead have him he is an average but improving winger which would be superfluous on our list. Logue Has had injury issues in  at least 2 seasons and IMO  is a realistic player for because of his versatility for our Club. He is better performed than Sam Weideman IMO and it's a fact that KP players are slower to mature with their potential. 

Freo haven't got star players yet but most are  improving so a Schultz or one of their quick half forwards might be potential but at least a top 1-8 pick should be traded  as compo also. 

The AFL ratings are not the b end and all end of a players ability or value or potential. You might find Jacko is vastly underrated as well but considered a better player because of his potential by most footy judges. 

  On 21/07/2022 at 07:19, 58er said:

Well if you want a Blake acres instead have him he is an average but improving winger which would be superfluous on our list. Logue Has had injury issues in  at least 2 seasons and IMO  is a realistic player for because of his versatility for our Club. He is better performed than Sam Weideman IMO and it's a fact that KP players are slower to mature with their potential. 

Freo haven't got star players yet but most are  improving so a Schultz or one of their quick half forwards might be potential but at least a top 1-8 pick should be traded  as compo also. 

The AFL ratings are not the b end and all end of a players ability or value or potential. You might find Jacko is vastly underrated as well but considered a better player because of his potential by most footy judges. 

BT W what  is the AFL figure on goals kicked against Logues in his career Redlegs that's vital as a defender.?