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Farewell Luke Jackson

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14 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

The AFL podcast this morning had Freo way ahead of WCE with a 'lure' for Jackson.

Hate to pass on some depressing info. 

  • Freo do not have a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year.  Currently they have #15 and #71.
  • For future picks they can only trade out their first round pick if they have a pick in every other round (either their natural pick or a traded in pick).  This reduces flexibility to use any 2023 draft currency.
  • They have signed up every player worth trading for.

Lets hope Jackson's friendship with Nic Nat is strong and Jackson picks WCE should he leave the dees.

Would that concern us all that much LH? Can we not just deal with West Coast anyway if the decides he wants to go back to WA?

Or does nominating Freo put us in a tricky spot?

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    Any trade on LJ will be a big loss really. However if that trade helped keep Gus and Oliver then I suppose that needs to be considered as part of things as well, however sad I felt about it. But we would then head into 2023 then needing both a ruck and a key forward, with our season at massive risk to a Gawn injury. 

    My own gut feeling is that he leaves...but that as he matures he lives to regret it. Genuine flag windows like the one we're in dont come along that often ...and for some players not at all. He's cutting off maybe 3 more years of playing in that possibility. Its not that I wouldnt wish him well....and I could rewatch the end of the 3rd to remind me , but I would be hoping he doesn't get to play in another premiership. 

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    18 minutes ago, Winter Dan said:

    Makes sense that Brayshaw's contract offer is dependant on LJ. 

    I could somewhat see LJ being genuinely undecided, but its got to be looking unlikely he stays having taken this long. 

    Surely, MFC can wedge both WA clubs, and essentially tell LJ, 'we can trade you to WC for pick 2 and second rounder, if you want to go home, thats fair a reasonable, but unless Freo match it we won't be trading you to them'. 

    Freo would have to find quality player or two that wants to return to Melb. They have a few.

    Lobb was on the trading doco last year wanting to go to Vic, but you'd think he is only worth an early 2 rounder. 

    Pick 2 and a second rounder :-  no thanks! 

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    12 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    The AFL podcast this morning had Freo way ahead of WCE with a 'lure' for Jackson.

    Hate to pass on some depressing info. 

    • Freo do not have a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year.  Currently they have #15 and #71.
    • For future picks they can only trade out their first round pick if they have a pick in every other round (either their natural pick or a traded in pick).  This reduces flexibility to use any 2023 draft currency.
    • They have signed up every player worth trading for.

    Lets hope Jackson's friendship with Nic Nat is strong and Jackson picks WCE should he leave the dees.

    Eagles can't trade their first rounder this year though (unless they trade in another one or get special permission).

    Either way, the goss is it'll be Freo and the club at this stage have said the deal will need to involved Andrew Brayshaw.

    It's sounding like he's gone.

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    1 hour ago, chook fowler said:

    i can't remember any occasion where things have dragged out like this that the player hasn't left. I think the odds of him staying must be low despite Drysdale being so adamant.

    I can…

    Rory Sloane, Jonno Brown, Travis Cloke, Toby Greene, Josh Kelly, Travis Boak, Robbie Gray, Dustin Martin, Tom Papley, Andrew Gaff for starters…

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    4 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    Eagles can't trade their first rounder this year though (unless they trade in another one or get special permission).

    Either way, the goss is it'll be Freo and the club at this stage have said the deal will need to involved Andrew Brayshaw.

    It's sounding like he's gone.

    I like  this possibility.

    Young Brayshaw is a gun and will be for 10 years.  Sure wer'e exposed losing Jackson, but  would Freo trade out their next skipper?

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    21 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    Eagles can't trade their first rounder this year though (unless they trade in another one or get special permission).

    Either way, the goss is it'll be Freo and the club at this stage have said the deal will need to involved Andrew Brayshaw.

    It's sounding like he's gone.

    That isn't really correct.  They need to use a first round draft pick and it doesn't matter if it is #1 or #18.  As I have mentioned before, Eagles could split pick #2 for say two lower top 10 picks and offer us one of them (and some other combo of 2022 and 2023 picks).  They then use the other themselves and abide AFL rules.

     

    With Freo, it is exactly the same this year for Jackson as it was for Cerra last year but in reverse.  If they can't get the deal we want done, then Jackson doesn't go to Freo.

    Cerra and his manager did a sensible thing for himself and for his club by not nominating a Victorian club until his manager knew which Vic club could get the deal done.  By all accounts he wanted to come to the dees but we couldn't get the deal done so he went to Carlton. 

    Hopefully, Jackson and his manager have the same integrity that Cerra did and find the club that can do the deal before nominating one.

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    13 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

    Any trade on LJ will be a big loss really. However if that trade helped keep Gus and Oliver then I suppose that needs to be considered as part of things as well, however sad I felt about it. But we would then head into 2023 then needing both a ruck and a key forward, with our season at massive risk to a Gawn injury. 

    My own gut feeling is that he leaves...but that as he matures he lives to regret it. Genuine flag windows like the one we're in dont come along that often ...and for some players not at all. He's cutting off maybe 3 more years of playing in that possibility. Its not that I wouldnt wish him well....and I could rewatch the end of the 3rd to remind me , but I would be hoping he doesn't get to play in another premiership. 

    Freo is arguably in a similar "flag window"

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    Both WA clubs will have to deal decent players if they are serious about taking LJ

    Neither of them have great draft numbers 

    Young Brayshaw to MFC i could handle as a starter 

    We are dealing Gold Stocks here

    But i still hope we keep LJ

     

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    6 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    Freo is arguably in a similar "flag window"

    Yet to be proven. Our Window is fact

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    3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

    Both WA clubs will have to deal decent players if they are serious about taking LJ

    Neither of them have great draft numbers 

    Young Brayshaw to MFC i could handle as a starter 

    We are dealing Gold Stocks here

    But i still hope we keep LJ

     

    so what draft pick do you want

     

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    18 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    Eagles can't trade their first rounder this year though (unless they trade in another one or get special permission).

    Either way, the goss is it'll be Freo and the club at this stage have said the deal will need to involved Andrew Brayshaw.

    It's sounding like he's gone.

    That’s fascinating about the Eagles. Didn’t know that.

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    20 minutes ago, layzie said:

    Would that concern us all that much LH? Can we not just deal with West Coast anyway if the decides he wants to go back to WA?

    Or does nominating Freo put us in a tricky spot?

    We would be obliged to deal with the club he chooses.

    In my response to another poster above, hopefully Jackson and his manager do what Cerra did last year and not nominate a club until they found the club that could get the deal done.

    I would like to think that the he repays the great start we have given him in his career by not putting us in a position where we get screwed in a trade.

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    7 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    I know that but they have a better overall draft hand for 2022 and 2023 than Freo.

    With Freo, it is exactly the same this year for Jackson as it was for Cerra last year but in reverse.  If they can't get the deal we want done, then Jackson doesn't go to Freo.

    Cerra and his manager did a sensible thing for himself and for his club by not nominating a Victorian club until his manager knew which Vic club could get the deal done.  By all accounts he wanted to come to the dees but we couldn't get the deal done so he went to Carlton

    Hopefully, Jackson and his manager have the same integrity that Cerra did and find the club that can do the deal before nominating one.

    Not sure it is exactly the same. There's only 2 teams over there, so the options are way more limited. Plus, Jackson could walk to the draft and end up at the Eagles (I don't think that will happen though).

    Also, don't think the Eagles better draft hand makes any difference in relation to this trade. We're not going to be accepting pick 20 for Jackson, and I'm not convinced the Eagles will be bottom 2-3 next year.

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    Just now, Diamond_Jim said:

    so what draft pick do you want

     

    For LJ i am more interested in Players 

    We need ready made Guns, not 2-3 kids at Casey who have Potential 

    The Window is open NOW 

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    Have we not reached a point in the game or in life where people can be upfront and honest. If Jackson has already made up his mind, tell the club and the players. If I was a coach or teammate not only would I have more respect for him but I would also understand and be empathetic. Whilst it may be seen as disruptive by some, I think it’s more disruptive the longer it goes on. We keep hearing professional sport is a business these days, we’ll this is just part of it. By knowing early it also gives us more time to explore our options.

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    7 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    Not sure it is exactly the same. There's only 2 teams over there, so the options are way more limited. Plus, Jackson could walk to the draft and end up at the Eagles (I don't think that will happen though).

    Also, don't think the Eagles better draft hand makes any difference in relation to this trade. We're not going to be accepting pick 20 for Jackson, and I'm not convinced the Eagles will be bottom 2-3 next year.

    Not sure where the idea of pick 20 comes from.

    I mentioned before WCE can trade pick #2 for two lower top 10 picks and to aid a trade and satisfy AFL rules. 

    Weren't there only two teams in the running for Cerra: Us and Carlton?

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    2 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    Not sure where the idea of pick 20 comes from.

    I mentioned before WCE can trade pick #2 for two lower top 10 picks and to aid a trade and satisfy AFL rules. 

    Sorry, missed where you said that mate.

    Pick 20 came from the idea that they can't trade pick 2 for a player.

    If they trade pick 2 for two top 10 picks, they would still need to trade both those picks (at least) for Jackson though and then they're back in the same boat.

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    25 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

    I can…

    Rory Sloane, Jonno Brown, Travis Cloke, Toby Greene, Josh Kelly, Travis Boak, Robbie Gray, Dustin Martin, Tom Papley, Andrew Gaff for starters…

    I stand corrected- still think he’s gone

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    11 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

    If Dogga leaves we will certainly need to find another ruck to support Max, maybe two.

    Any suggestions?

     

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    2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    Sorry, missed where you said that mate.

    Pick 20 came from the idea that they can't trade pick 2 for a player.

    If they trade pick 2 for two top 10 picks, they would still need to trade both those picks (at least) for Jackson though and then they're back in the same boat.

    I'm not usually a fan of trying to guess trades but for the purpose of this exercise and what the rules allow.

    Lets say WCE trades #2 for #6 and #10.  We get #6 and their 2023 first which is likely to be in the #7-#9 range, giving us two top 10 picks.  Or they can split their 2023 first etc etc and we get one and they keep one.  We give them a pick back etc.  There are so many permutations! 

    My point is WCE can get a deal done far more easily than Freo can.  And Jackson can repay our investment by nominating the state but not the club.

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    6 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    I'm not usually a fan of trying to guess trades but for the purpose of this exercise and what the rules allow.

    Lets say WCE trades #2 for #6 and #10.  We get #6 and their 2023 first which is likely to be in the #7-#9 range, giving us two top 10 picks.  Or they can split their 2023 first etc etc and we get one and they keep one.  We give them a pick back etc.  There are so many permutations! 

    My point is WCE can get a deal done far more easily than Freo can.  And Jackson can repay our investment by nominating the state but not the club.

    I might need coffee, but how could they split their 2023 pick?

    And tbh, I don't think pick 6 and a future first gets it done anyway.

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    Aside from BS journalist tweets/rumours and Goodwin saying he is hopefully Jackson will stay for the long haul is there anything else that has occurred to make everyone sure he will leave?

    He would be mad not to at least sign for 2 more years and then spend 8 years in WA.

    I'm backing him to sign on

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