Farewell Luke Jackson

[Ted Lasso 19,459]

Can someone explain the nickname "Dogga" to me?

[Demon Disciple 12,103]

11 hours ago, faultydet said:

I'd be delighted if he signed for 2 more years. The window won't get any more open in 2025 than it is now.

Yes our window is open now, these are the years you go all in with your chips. Ante up Dogga!

[Lord Nev 13,512]

3 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

Can someone explain the nickname "Dogga" to me?

I believe it was Nathan Jones who made it up because he thought he looked like a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel...

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15 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I believe it was Nathan Jones who made it up because he thought he looked like a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel...

Really??

[Lord Nev 13,512]

3 minutes ago, Left Foot Snap said:

Really??

 

[Left Foot Snap 2,389]

Ok, thought it would be more interesting than that.

[In Harmes Way 7,753]

4 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

 

Straight from the dog's mouth

[Nascent 9,208]

17 hours ago, Beetle said:

Players will be offloaded at years end.

Brayshaw, Jackson, Spargo, Hunt are the noticeable names out of contract this year. Borderline best 22 players like Smith and Bedford are also ooc as are Laurie and Rosman, but none of these should be expensive to re-sign if that's our intention.

Not sure if you have inside intel but the use of the word offload is interesting and could indicate a willingness to trade contracted players. The issue there is players can refuse and who would want to leave the club that's contending for flags? I do feel we will end up losing a best 22 player in the next two years, I just hope it's neither Oliver or Jackson. Preferably not brayshaw either.

Edited May 6, 2022 by Nascent

[58er 6,418]

16 hours ago, Beetle said:

Players will be offloaded at years end.

Disagree

we won't be offloading our top players but a couple of lesser ability may have to be traded out due to team needs or retirement. Ie Hibbo initially.

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,712]

2 minutes ago, 58er said:

Disagree

we won't be offloading our top players but a couple of lesser ability may have to be traded out due to team needs or retirement. Ie Hibbo initially.

Well I'd say Hibbo and Melksham will retire at years end. Not sure what they are both on salary terms but will free up a little bit cap.

Majak Daw may also retire, but he wouldn't be on much and we would have to find a back up ruckman somewhere.

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1 minute ago, Action Jackson said:

Well I'd say Hibbo and Melksham will retire at years end. Not sure what they are both on salary terms but will free up a little bit cap.

Majak Daw may also retire, but he wouldn't be on much and we would have to find a back up ruckman somewhere.

Yes AJ forgot about Melky Daw may even get another year . 

[deejammin' 2,370]

1 minute ago, Action Jackson said:

Well I'd say Hibbo and Melksham will retire at years end. Not sure what they are both on salary terms but will free up a little bit cap.

Majak Daw may also retire, but he wouldn't be on much and we would have to find a back up ruckman somewhere.

I think we’d be encouraging Majak to stay on. He’s been in great form at VFL level and good back-up ruckman don’t grow on trees, it’s the one weakness on our list, ideally we’d have two back up pure ruckman, right now we have Majak and Weideman who’s clearly more of a forward.
Hibbo and Melk might retire, some fringe players might seek more opportunities. I hope we can keep Brayshaw and Jacko, they’re super important.

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,712]

17 minutes ago, deejammin' said:

I think we’d be encouraging Majak to stay on. He’s been in great form at VFL level and good back-up ruckman don’t grow on trees, it’s the one weakness on our list, ideally we’d have two back up pure ruckman, right now we have Majak and Weideman who’s clearly more of a forward.
Hibbo and Melk might retire, some fringe players might seek more opportunities. I hope we can keep Brayshaw and Jacko, they’re super important.

Yeah 100% agree. Hopefully we go out and find a development ruckman, either from another club or through the draft.

I know we signed Chandler last year, but wouldn't be surprised if he seeks a trade at the end of the year and we may be fine to do it to free up cap.

Oskar Baker will likely be delisted. Assume we will keep Deakyn Smith, AMW, McVee all on the list. 

Wonder if they will also look at a new deal for Steve May to spread out is salary and add extra cap space.

[Smokey 4,389]

19 hours ago, Deedubs said:

If Jackson signs for 2-3 years it means he doesn't want to stay with us long term. Or at the least he is sitting on the fence.  If he wants to stay long term why wouldn't we sign him up to a 5-8 year contract? This is what I don't get. 

if he signs for 2-3 years, it's basically confirming that he wants to go back to WA at some point. 

This is one of the most ridiculous takes I've ever read on DL 

[Dees_In_October 3,380]

6 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

the amount of hanrahan's in this thread!

we'll all be rooned!!

especially if we:

• keep badloss
• lose fabflag
• lose player X
• keep player Y
• don't have a home base
• have a home base out at casey

we're the reigning premiers

the rest is all FUGAZI

 

Speaking of Fugazi, the lyrics of this one are also weirdly appropriate to this topic.

 

I am a patient boy
I wait, I wait, I wait, I wait
My time, water down a drain

 

Everybody's moving
Everybody's moving
Everybody's moving, moving, moving, moving
Please don't leave me to remain

In the waiting room
 

I don't want the news
I cannot use it
I don't want the news
I won't live by it
Sitting outside of town
Everybody's always down
Tell me why?
Because, they can't get up
Come on and get up
Come on and get up

 

But I don't sit idly by
I'm planning a big surprise
I'm gonna fight for what I wanna be
And I won't make the same mistakes ('cause I know)
Because I know how much time that wastes (and function)
Function is the key

[Deedubs 157]

6 hours ago, layzie said:

I think it would mean he is keeping that option open at this stage but isn't totally sure. He's loving current life at MFC and is thinking short to medium term which is perfectly fine for a guy who we need to remember is still only 20 y.o.

Whether we like it or not there is the business and agent side of this too. Why would you agree to lock your client in long term right now when his stock is only going to go up? Not to mention the new CBA and TV rights deal coming up. 

I would be absolutely stoked if he signed for 2 - 3 years. He might decide to go back eventually but he also might decide Melb is the place for him. 

I personally don't think Jackson's stocks can go any higher. His mysterious skillset and untapped potential is what is driving his potential. Not so much his on field output. If Gawn went down and Jackson became the number 1 ruck then that would be just about the only thing that would increase his stocks. The new cba and tv rights deals can be built into his contract, i.e. an X% increase in $$ from CBA and TV rights will mean an X% increase in Jacksons salary. So there's no real excuse for not signing other than not wanting to be locked in to staying with Melb long term.

If we're ever to get rid of Jackson, it's now. His value will be higher now than in 2-3 years because that's 2-3 years of output the new club isn't getting. 

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12 minutes ago, Deedubs said:

I personally don't think Jackson's stocks can go any higher. His mysterious skillset and untapped potential is what is driving his potential. Not so much his on field output. If Gawn went down and Jackson became the number 1 ruck then that would be just about the only thing that would increase his stocks. The new cba and tv rights deals can be built into his contract, i.e. an X% increase in $$ from CBA and TV rights will mean an X% increase in Jacksons salary. So there's no real excuse for not signing other than not wanting to be locked in to staying with Melb long term.

If we're ever to get rid of Jackson, it's now. His value will be higher now than in 2-3 years because that's 2-3 years of output the new club isn't getting. 

Is this @rangerover? Just remind me of him so much…

 

No, it’s not a good thing.

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20 hours ago, Demonland said:

Tom Browne reporting but …

 

Remember in the granny when he gave it to Petty but then kicked it into him as he stood the mark?! Fun times, I did laugh. 

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1 hour ago, 58er said:

Disagree

we won't be offloading our top players but a couple of lesser ability may have to be traded out due to team needs or retirement. Ie Hibbo initially.

Where did he say top players ? He just said players. Jesus, learn to read

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On 5/5/2022 at 9:54 AM, Demon3 said:

Jackson will sign, I dont expect it to be a long term 5+ year deal, but 2/3 years. Now that Goodwin has signed on for 2 years, its a whole club approach. Finish what we have started. 2025 might be the year when the band splits up but it wont be before hand.

It is when we will make a new band. Fingers crossed that we will never plunge to the depths we have in the last 50 years. 

[Smokey 4,389]

16 hours ago, Deedubs said:

I personally don't think Jackson's stocks can go any higher. His mysterious skillset and untapped potential is what is driving his potential. Not so much his on field output. If Gawn went down and Jackson became the number 1 ruck then that would be just about the only thing that would increase his stocks. The new cba and tv rights deals can be built into his contract, i.e. an X% increase in $$ from CBA and TV rights will mean an X% increase in Jacksons salary. So there's no real excuse for not signing other than not wanting to be locked in to staying with Melb long term.

If we're ever to get rid of Jackson, it's now. His value will be higher now than in 2-3 years because that's 2-3 years of output the new club isn't getting. 

Pretty impressed at how much you’ve managed to contradict yourself in a single post here. The last paragraph is nonsensical at best. 

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1 hour ago, Smokey said:

Pretty impressed at how much you’ve managed to contradict yourself in a single post here. The last paragraph is nonsensical at best. 

it's pretty simple. Let's say Jackson plays until 30. If WCE/Freo get him next season, they'll have Luke Jackson for 10 years. If Jackson waits 2-3 years, WCE/Freo only get him of 7-8 years. So they're getting less total value from him.  So in terms of our compensation, we'll get more from him now than in 2-3 years time. 

It's the same reason why someone like Horne-Francis is worth much more than someone like Lachie Neale, Zac Merrett, Touk Miller etc. He's younger so the team gets him for longer. That's how trade value works mate.


 

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1 hour ago, Deedubs said:

it's pretty simple. Let's say Jackson plays until 30. If WCE/Freo get him next season, they'll have Luke Jackson for 10 years. If Jackson waits 2-3 years, WCE/Freo only get him of 7-8 years. So they're getting less total value from him.  So in terms of our compensation, we'll get more from him now than in 2-3 years time. 

It's the same reason why someone like Horne-Francis is worth much more than someone like Lachie Neale, Zac Merrett, Touk Miller etc. He's younger so the team gets him for longer. That's how trade value works mate.


 

Luke Jackson is worth more currency with 3 more years playing with Max Gawn, than he is right now. 
You do not understand the Experience factor

[Thehardtackler 785]

Luke Jackson will be our number one Ruck in 3 years time and Gawn shall retire and become a coach for us then. That is what is what I would guess the tea leaves are saying!

Edited May 7, 2022 by Thehardtackler

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23 hours ago, Smokey said:

This is one of the most ridiculous takes I've ever read on DL 

How does it compare with :

'Chris Johnson is going to be a gun'

(I dont know who posted it but it has stuck in my head)