Jack Gunston

[adonski 9,102]

3 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Search process.;

Step 1. Select 'Player rankings; contested marks per game'.

Step 2. Limit selection to 'tall forwards'.

Step 3. Check availability, repeat.

Repeat.

Results after a lot of cleaning of too expensive, too old, too rucky, or just d-heads.

Ben McKay, North Melbourne. Is a defender only, and not yet really proven. But should we ask the 'switch' question? Fun fact: this season Ben McKay has more contested marks per game than his brother.

J Hogan. That'd just be too awkward.

Peter Wright. Oh, that's odd. Didn't he used to be a bit of a lanky potato? Would seem to fit our needs. Bonus points, losing him would basically end Essendon structurally.

Jake Riccardi. 14 goals three behinds in last 6 games, and hasn't been goalless in that time. Good signs but hard to know real value.

Hayden McLean. Is he basically what you would get if you put Weideman in a team with a more powerful forward line than ours but which also needs more ruck support?

Darcy Fogarty. Is either in form or very much not in form. 9 games this season. In the most recent 4 he has kicked 12.2 and gave 4 goal assists, but in the first five he kicked 2.3 and one goal assist. Plus, you'd expect the Crows have plans for him for when boofhead retires.

 

 

 

McClean is an interesting one 

[Little Goffy 12,507]

10 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Off the top of my head . . .

Doug Wade, John Rantall, Barry Davis, Stan Alves, Greg Wells, Val Perovic, Bryan Wood.

And that's seven over a 10 year period. I could go on . . . . . . . but point made.

Ben Brown?

[Queanbeyan Demon 5,871]

5 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Search process.;

Step 1. Select 'Player rankings; contested marks per game'.

Step 2. Limit selection to 'tall forwards'.

Step 3. Check availability, repeat.

Repeat.

Results after a lot of cleaning of too expensive, too old, too rucky, or just d-heads.

Ben McKay, North Melbourne. Is a defender only, and not yet really proven. But should we ask the 'switch' question? Fun fact: this season Ben McKay has more contested marks per game than his brother.

J Hogan. That'd just be too awkward.

Peter Wright. Oh, that's odd. Didn't he used to be a bit of a lanky potato? Would seem to fit our needs. Bonus points, losing him would basically end Essendon structurally.

Jake Riccardi. 14 goals three behinds in last 6 games, and hasn't been goalless in that time. Good signs but hard to know real value.

Hayden McLean. Is he basically what you would get if you put Weideman in a team with a more powerful forward line than ours but which also needs more ruck support?

Darcy Fogarty. Is either in form or very much not in form. 9 games this season. In the most recent 4 he has kicked 12.2 and gave 4 goal assists, but in the first five he kicked 2.3 and one goal assist. Plus, you'd expect the Crows have plans for him for when boofhead retires.

I don't care if he plays in the reserves then. 

[Queanbeyan Demon 5,871]

5 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Ben Brown?

So close LG. He was 28 when he played in the premiership. He missed by that [. . . . .] much.

[640MD 2,743]

4 hours ago, deebunked said:

Surely Melbourne

Remember  Catoggio and Young from Carlton.

Bleak times.

Sorry old enough but I can remember ( I think) Cataggio playing. But no memory of the year or how good or bad either were,

I do remember Tilly, Moore, and Templeton all going to be saviours   Even Barassi tried to walk in water but failed to provide proof.

 

happy to be proven wrong.

[dee-tox 4,772]

4 hours ago, Jjrogan said:

Nick Larkey is the guy to go for in the next couple of years imo. He's 24.  Norf will be going absolutely nowhere for his entire football career. That's almost a dead cert. 

Forget about playing finals, if he wants to know what even winning games is like, he will not see out his career at Norf (jake bowey about to go past him on wins) .  Rfa end 2024.  No reason to think he would cost big coin, he'll be wanting out. 

Agree. Ben McKay may be worth pursuing also. Seems an unfulfilled talent.

[monoccular 16,010]

6 hours ago, CYB said:

Petty / Turner should cover May. LJ hopefully covers Gawn so I think we are covered in those key positions s for the next decade. Forward line is where we need talent pronto. We could have sustained success for the next 10 years similar to Geelong if we can develop and attract talent there. 
 

Both McKay and Curnow come out of contract next year so we should definitely see how we can target one of them. Will take a mammoth offer though but could pull of a Tigeresque move like they did for Lynch. 

Even if Jacko stays and stars, we still need a significant extra ruck. In other words he covers Max but who covers him?

Agree re desperate need for a strong marking forward KPP. 

Edited June 28, 2022 by monoccular

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 5,788]

38 minutes ago, dee-tox said:

Agree. Ben McKay may be worth pursuing also. Seems an unfulfilled talent.

He would be worth going after.

[demosaw 754]

We might need to trade for a younger, emerging KPF. Was impressed by Logan McDonald against 🦢. Others with huge upside?

[layzie 28,487]

13 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Off the top of my head . . .

Doug Wade, John Rantall, Barry Davis, Stan Alves, Greg Wells, Val Perovic, Bryan Wood.

And that's seven over a 10 year period. I could go on . . . . . . . but point made.

The '10 year rule'. North certainly cleaned up there!

[Sydee 3,612]

12 hours ago, dee-tox said:

Agree. Ben McKay may be worth pursuing also. Seems an unfulfilled talent.

He is certainly big enough, mobile enough and seems capable in terms of marking ability

Has been mostly played as a defender so no idea if he could make a go of a KPF role - his brother does ok !

If nothing else would be a stronger physical presence than BBB - having said that he is below average on almost all key stats during his career so on that basis your assessment of unfulfilled talent is either spot on or he just isn't good enough 

Not the worst idea though IMO

[monoccular 16,010]

2 hours ago, Sydee said:

He is certainly big enough, mobile enough and seems capable in terms of marking ability

Has been mostly played as a defender so no idea if he could make a go of a KPF role - his brother does ok !

If nothing else would be a stronger physical presence than BBB - having said that he is below average on almost all key stats during his career so on that basis your assessment of unfulfilled talent is either spot on or he just isn't good enough 

Not the worst idea though IMO

..or, perhaps,  is playing in a crap team without culture or guidance????>

[Sydee 3,612]

7 minutes ago, monoccular said:

..or, perhaps,  is playing in a crap team without culture or guidance????>

Pretty sure that was covered in the unfulfilled talent assessment - either way he is potentially an interesting option which I have no doubt our list management team have or continue to assess

[dazzledavey36 48,642]

If the opportunity is there at the end of the year to grab for 2 years I would jump at it in a heart beat.

His leadership alone improves us significantly and he would play a great mentoring role on JVR.

3x premiership player, 3x leading goalkicker and All Australian forward.

[Stiff Arm 4,410]

Unless we have one of the big key forwards in our sights for next year (eg McKay or Curnow), another young key tall in the draft might work well to be mentored by BBB and Tmac in their twilight years. I believe I read here that there's quite a few key talks in this year's draft. If, and a big if, Gus or Dogga leave we should have some decent picks to work with. JVR and another KPF under 26yo will set us up for a good few years

Gunston: NO

Edited June 29, 2022 by Stiff Arm

[Sir Why You Little 34,406]

4 hours ago, layzie said:

The '10 year rule'. North certainly cleaned up there!

Without that rule, they would still be on 0 Flags

such a shame

[Winners at last 4,683]

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Without that rule, they would still be on 0 Flags

such a shame

Nah ... all those 10 years players had well and truly retired by the 90s.

[Sir Why You Little 34,406]

12 minutes ago, Winners at last said:

Nah ... all those 10 years players had well and truly retired by the 90s.

Without those 2 Flags in the 70’s they wouldn’t have attracted players to sign up in the 90’s

[Demongirl35 811]

Franklin only has a year or so left

They have McDonald, McClean and Armartey as their next key forwards… surely we can get one!

23 hours ago, adonski said:

McClean is an interesting one 

 

[BAMF 3,783]

8 hours ago, Stiff Arm said:

Unless we have one of the big key forwards in our sights for next year (eg McKay or Curnow), another young key tall in the draft might work well to be mentored by BBB and Tmac in their twilight years. I believe I read here that there's quite a few key talks in this year's draft. If, and a big if, Gus or Dogga leave we should have some decent picks to work with. JVR and another KPF under 26yo will set us up for a good few years

Gunston: NO

In my opinion, we need to draft a 195cm+ forward to partner with JVR for the long term. Plus we need to recruit a mature tall for depth.

I would be super happy with Gunston for a few years (at the right price). He would compete with TMac and Weid next year which is just what we need until the new blood comes through.

[monoccular 16,010]

10 minutes ago, BAMF said:

In my opinion, we need to draft a 195cm+ forward to partner with JVR for the long term. Plus we need to recruit a mature tall for depth.

I would be super happy with Gunston for a few years (at the right price). He would compete with TMac and Weid next year which is just what we need until the new blood comes through.

Isn’t his (Gunston) body well and truly stuffed?

[Binmans PA 25,892]

On 6/28/2022 at 1:23 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

Remember Craig Turley. He was a Premiership Player, who by the time he came to us, he couldn’t bend down to pick up the ball

His back was shot

Be wary

The MFC Turley came to is not the 2021 Premier variety. 

[Pennant St Dee 11,241]

4 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Without those 2 Flags in the 70’s they wouldn’t have attracted players to sign up in the 90’s

You do realise most of the side from the 90s came through their zone don’t you. The backbone and core of that side came through u19s under Pagan. Nothing to do with attracting players, Dean Laidley couldn’t get a regular game at West Coast and Peter Bell had just been delisted by the Dockers after playing 2 games

[Sir Why You Little 34,406]

1 hour ago, Pennant St Dee said:

You do realise most of the side from the 90s came through their zone don’t you. The backbone and core of that side came through u19s under Pagan. Nothing to do with attracting players, Dean Laidley couldn’t get a regular game at West Coast and Peter Bell had just been delisted by the Dockers after playing 2 games

You miss the point 

That little pesky club wouldn’t have made it into the 90’s without those 2 bought Flags in the 70’s

Fitzroy had a much longer history 

[redandbluemakepurple 317]

30, 193, 86   a poor man's Fritsmagnet

Petty 197, Lever 195, various De Konings 203, various McCartin's 203, Wietering 195/101, 

Fortunately Norman* is old and prone to injury,  So he will be gone and chasing the sheep off Kardinia Park by the time, more big defenders come through.

* official Hawk supporter terminology