If Ben Brown doesnt play the rest of the year

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1 hour ago, Half forward flank said:

I called it with BB last year when we were not having success. So did not wait until we had one average game to say it.

Big call to say his heart isn’t in it HFF. Based on interviews (particularly the open mike interview) he has done he comes across as smart and articulate. Definitely not someone whose only option to make a living is footy. Wouldn’t surprise me if he goes into media post career. There have been no whispers about attitude or application which is usually the case if someone isn’t putting it all in at training. I though his 3 games were serviceable (haven’t seen his last game for Casey where the consensus is he played terribly)

I reckon he’s just unfit. He’s had an injury interrupted 2020 and missed this preseason. I don’t think there are ulterior motives here.

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On 6/14/2021 at 5:40 PM, Hellish Inferno said:

Honestly it seems like Weid is invisible out there...

Does he have the worst leading patterns in the league? Almost always out of position

Almost always seems to have no separation from his man

Yes to BBB for mine. Let's give him a shot

LAZY and over-regarded. Couldn't pull the skin off a custard. 

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1 hour ago, Better days ahead said:

 

Big call to say his heart isn’t in it HFF. Based on interviews (particularly the open mike interview) he has done he comes across as smart and articulate. Definitely not someone whose only option to make a living is footy. Wouldn’t surprise me if he goes into media post career. There have been no whispers about attitude or application which is usually the case if someone isn’t putting it all in at training. I though his 3 games were serviceable (haven’t seen his last game for Casey where the consensus is he played terribly)

I reckon he’s just unfit. He’s had an injury interrupted 2020 and missed this preseason. I don’t think there are ulterior motives here.

Fair enough, although I did not say his heart is not in it, just said he has other priorities in life. Nothing wrong with that. yes unfit and not strong enough in upper body. My memory at Kangas was he was dominating in a straight line between CHF and the centre. His deadly long kicking made that a difficult match up. Maybe the game styles generally have changed and our style is not suiting him so far. I hope it works out for him. He is a nice guy and we need a target..

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I think Benny will play and be given a decent  bock of games after the buy.  The major issue is when will he finally be ready to go assuming there is in fact a pre-season under way?

If and it's a.big if, we can get BB up and firing this could be the difference that takes us to a PF.

But there's also the issue of him finding form and everyone clicking with him in the team and visa versa.

BB is no slouch when he is in form and is exactly the extra tall / foil needed to play deep out of the goal square in conjunction with Tommy playing CHF.

BB has a great scoring record and is right up there in terms of goal kicking averages and accuracy (career wise).  Good players don't lose this ability overnight and if he gets AFL fit we'll put many lessor teams to the sword in this second part of the season and wallop some of the cellar dwellers.  Subject to....

Others improving their goal kicking accuracy also including....

Viney (40%),  Clarry (30%),  Kozzie (39%), Spargo (33%) & Tracc (39%).

BB is a must in once fully fit.

Our 3rd best goal kicking forward and 4th most accurate forward so far (on season averages).

Designated Forwards

Goal averages...

1.  Fritschkrieg   2.3

2.  T-Mac  1.8

3.  Ben Brown  1.7

4.  Kozzie  1.5

5.  Melk 0.5

Goal Accuracy

1.  Dogga  63.6%

1.  Fritschkrieg  63.6%

3.  T-Mac  60.5%

4.  Ben Brown  55.6%

5.  ANB  45%

If we can get Dogga taking some more marks that would also give us a super boost, with or without a BB firing on all cylinders.  Get both of these two up and about and the scoreboard / winning margins might explode.

Edited June 18, 2021 by Rusty Nails

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Key forwards remain the most overrated position in footy. If midfield & defence click, goals will come. 

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6 hours ago, adonski said:

Key forwards remain the most overrated position in footy. If midfield & defence click, goals will come. 

There's a reason why KPF command the big bucks

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1 hour ago, Better days ahead said:

There's a reason why KPF command the big bucks

yes Cameron obviously isnt worth the bucks

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1 hour ago, Better days ahead said:

There's a reason why KPF command the big bucks

Yeah, media propaganda. Geelong almost lost with Hawkins and Cameron against a VFL backline 

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,283]

Once and if BBB looks to have gained some speed on the lead and repeat running patterns when VFL returns then we should have a look at him. Until then we should return to when our forward line and forward pressure looked best which was without either Weid or BBB. I am not against 3 tall forwards but I am against it just for the sake of it.  

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On 6/16/2021 at 6:00 PM, leave it to deever said:

Was there on the wing. There was a moment when Max marked in front of me about sixty out from goal.

All our talls were miles behind him in the centre. 

Yes delivery was poor but our forwards were all over the place. 

And when delivery was reasonable we were simply out marked or out positioned. There was also little strategy bw them.

But on the whole, you are correct about delivery. Pies showed us how it was done with precision inside fifties.

Having said that some forwards go and create their own luck so to speak and thats what makes them champions.

Our forwards except for Jackson were Im sad to say lazy this game gone by .

Maybe they were thinking it was a cake walk...But for some reason they just didnt fight like they previously have. 

Gee Deever you could have given me a lift. LOL

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Yep, unfortunately it's time for Weid to go back to the two's, probably for the rest of the year. He hasn't shown improvement so far and the most recent game was probably the worst of a bad bunch. 

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To be honest my impressions of BB's first 3 games were that he needs more work, either keep playing him or more hard training. So selection decided on the latter. lets hope it's worked.

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I would think BB will play against Bombers if fit.

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2 hours ago, adonski said:

Yeah, media propaganda. Geelong almost lost with Hawkins and Cameron against a VFL backline 

I doubt all football departments allow themselves to be influenced by media propaganda.

KPF’s command a premium in the market. Scarcity is a factor but putting the ball between the big sticks is the main reason. They will win you games (or lose you games if not good enough).

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I think Bbb will be in for the Dons clash and play well.

I also think Sw will leave at the end of season and he like Bbb will be better at another club. It happens.

If we can get our forward line firing it will be much more exciting and we may squash a few teams along the way. At keast we are a fair way still from finals so we can srill get it right. And if Im wrong about Bbb then maybe the Brown will step up.

Thank goodness for Tmac. Who would have thought?

 

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14 hours ago, adonski said:

Key forwards remain the most overrated position in footy. If midfield & defence click, goals will come. 

Not unless we improve our general goal kicking accuracy.  Our mids and small forwards are mostly putrid especially with set shots for goal.

At the moment, aside from T-Mac, Fritschkrieg, BBB and Lingers (on the odd occasion he gets a shot) most can't hit the broadside of a barn.

The mids and defence have been clicking super well in most matches so far this season yet we have struggled to put away most teams, including the cellar dwellers, and have lost to two bottom four clubs so far.

We simply don't convert enough of the opportunities we make into goals.

It's our biggest weakness by a country mile and most opps are aware of it hence they play their guts out against us every match as they believe they're in with a chance as we rarely post big scores.

Edited June 19, 2021 by Rusty Nails

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Excluding injuries, I think the Weideman trial has run its course and  think one of the  Browns will play a big part in this years success moving forward.

I believe it will be Bbb.

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If we are genuine about the two talls format and BBB is to be in the next phase/trial of it then we need to readjust the way we deliver. There are ties to do the long ball but BB is a leading forward, so we need to look at running patterns to create space and look for the pass 30-40m out on the lead. 

Yze and Stafford should be trying to get a clear understanding about where the midfield is expected to be delivering the ball to the forwards. We were absolutely pantsed at this by the pies. 

I really believe we can maximise the potential of what we have with BB in the side. 

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On 6/19/2021 at 3:12 PM, Rusty Nails said:

Not unless we improve our general goal kicking accuracy.  Our mids and small forwards are mostly putrid especially with set shots for goal.

At the moment, aside from T-Mac, Fritschkrieg, BBB and Lingers (on the odd occasion he gets a shot) most can't hit the broadside of a barn.

 

Unfair to Nibbler who has improved his accuracy markedly.

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On 6/19/2021 at 12:06 AM, Rusty Nails said:

Viney (40%)

Wouldn't be too worried about Viney. His Set shots would be better than that I reckon.

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On 6/19/2021 at 1:12 PM, Rusty Nails said:

Not unless we improve our general goal kicking accuracy.  Our mids and small forwards are mostly putrid especially with set shots for goal.

At the moment, aside from T-Mac, Fritschkrieg, BBB and Lingers (on the odd occasion he gets a shot) most can't hit the broadside of a barn.

The mids and defence have been clicking super well in most matches so far this season yet we have struggled to put away most teams, including the cellar dwellers, and have lost to two bottom four clubs so far.

We simply don't convert enough of the opportunities we make into goals.

It's our biggest weakness by a country mile and most opps are aware of it hence they play their guts out against us every match as they believe they're in with a chance as we rarely post big scores.

Not just goal kicking accuracy.
We really don’t have anyone who can reliably kick a set shot from distance 50 metres and beyond. This weekend we saw some monster goals from the likes of Green, Hipwood and others. Petracca can hit from long range but his accuracy is all over the place. Our mids have to constantly search wide and deeper into the forward for a set shot target. We don’t have a player who can mark on 50 and confidently go for a set shot. Both Browns can hit from long range but they are currently are not playing. We need some players that can take that option when our forward line is choked up. That’s one of my big gripes with Weid. He can win the ball whe moves up into space from goal but we have seen many of his set shots not even make the distance. 

Edited June 21, 2021 by John Crow Batty

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7 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

Not just goal kicking accuracy.
We really don’t have anyone who can reliably kick a set shot from distance 50 metres and beyond. This weekend we saw some monster goals from the likes of Green, Hipwood and others. Petracca can hit from long range but his accuracy is all over the place. Our mids have to constantly search wide and deeper into the forward for a set shot target. Both Browns can hit from long range but they are currently are not playing. We need some players that can take that option when our forward line is choked up. That’s one of my big gripes with Weid. He can win the ball whe moves up into space from goal but we have seen many of his set shots not even make the distance. 

petracca

has done it several times

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5 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

petracca

has done it several times

I did mention him but he’s a midfielder and he can be inaccurate with set shots. We need a key forward to step up. No use leading and marking at 50 out and not being able to make the distance.

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17 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

That’s one of my big gripes with Weid. He can win the ball whe moves up into space from goal but we have seen many of his set shots not even make the distance. 

Please cite some examples.

 

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15 hours ago, Pates said:

If we are genuine about the two talls format and BBB is to be in the next phase/trial of it then we need to readjust the way we deliver. There are ties to do the long ball but BB is a leading forward, so we need to look at running patterns to create space and look for the pass 30-40m out on the lead. 

Yze and Stafford should be trying to get a clear understanding about where the midfield is expected to be delivering the ball to the forwards. We were absolutely pantsed at this by the pies. 

I really believe we can maximise the potential of what we have with BB in the side. 

The forwards will succeed - with movement and confident pace. This will give the midfielders some relief - not having to land the ball in the teeth of the goals for every forward despatch of the ball. Successful clubs are multi-pronged at high and mid-forward delivery and receipt. Multiple targets - from movement - will make a big difference. If forwards are not prepared to move, replace them with those who will. This is one of the reasons that I would like to see not only BB and Daw playing alongside TMac (who is mobile with Fritta), but also a 'recovered' Joel Smith and even one of the two brand new recruits on the circular waltz. 

Edited June 21, 2021 by Deemania since 56