12 minutes ago, old dee said:

I hope it lasts till 30/7 dc. Simple problem in Australia not enough people have died. In the Uk/ USA everyone knows of someone who has died. They are not worried about a very long chance of having a problem. Because they know what is worse.

 

od,

i heard a story of a guy here who got covid. ended up in  er.

he's now bed-ridden and demented and living in a nursing home for the rest of his life

he was a 37 year old gp doctor

it's not always the old farts like us, od,  but most people still think they are bullet-proof

Just now, daisycutter said:

od,

i heard a story of a guy here who got covid. ended up in  er.

he's now bed-ridden and demented and living in a nursing home for the rest of his life

he was a 37 year old gp doctor

it's not always the old farts like us, od,  but most people still think they are bullet-proof

Yes DC, the young think it is only old people who die and it wont happen to me. Even if it does it will just be a bad flu.

Some  times dying is not the worst thing that can happen.

 

1 hour ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I need to get something off my chest. It probably won’t be well-received so I apologise in advance. 
I just don’t understand all the commotion about getting the Swans and Giants players’ families over here as a “priority” as Gill put it. Of course I understand that it’s better to keep families together, but it shouldn’t be treated as an issue of uber importance. As far as reasons for separating family members go, a footballer on a not too shabby salary living in another state of the same country for a maximum of a couple of months is not the worst. 
Maybe I’m just bitter because I was stranded overseas for seven months last year meaning my 16yo son who has Asperger’s had to just make do with not having me at home. 
I’m sorta sick of hearing entitled people whinge about something that’s not really all that bad. Anyways, that’s my heartfelt opinion. 

Agree 100%. There seems to be varying degrees of perspective applied.

Last year my 50 year old brother died of cancer in Queensland, but I couldn’t visit him for almost 6 months because of state lockdowns. He was only diagnosed in June, the lockdowns began and Victorian’s became unwelcome everywhere. My dad and Sister got the same treatment. We all were finally allowed into the state 2 days before he died, but never saw him conscious.

I love footy, but the players have a choice to go home and see their families whenever they like - yes it would cost them playing football games and income, but they make that choice of their own free will. I wish I had been extended the same courtesy. If my name was Minogue or Efron it might have been different - which is inexcusable.

 

2 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I need to get something off my chest. It probably won’t be well-received so I apologise in advance. 
I just don’t understand all the commotion about getting the Swans and Giants players’ families over here as a “priority” as Gill put it. Of course I understand that it’s better to keep families together, but it shouldn’t be treated as an issue of uber importance. As far as reasons for separating family members go, a footballer on a not too shabby salary living in another state of the same country for a maximum of a couple of months is not the worst. 
Maybe I’m just bitter because I was stranded overseas for seven months last year meaning my 16yo son who has Asperger’s had to just make do with not having me at home. 
I’m sorta sick of hearing entitled people whinge about something that’s not really all that bad. Anyways, that’s my heartfelt opinion. 

I agree with the sentiment. Throughout this experience there's an awful lot of people suffering a lot more than the people who have been getting most of the attention, public sympathy and support.

Unfortunately, it is looking like some kind of case study of political economy; groups of people with real ability to affect their own circumstance (through status, political voice, accountants, or simple cash reserves) are also the people with the ability to influence how help and sympathy is distributed. That decisions are being made on the basis of placating the complacent has directly contributed to most of the errors in managing Covid-19:

-  absence of serious strategy for safe, large-scale repatriation

- absence of a stable, predictable support structure for individuals and communities facing lock down

- hedging about spending the relatively trivial additional funds to accelerate the vaccine rollout

- constant fiddling of the minutiae of vaccine choice advice despite there being plenty of people happy to take AZ at the first opportunity

- lack of coherent system for exemptions, such that 'special needs' applies to whoever can be the best 'Karen' (I hate the term, but it is illustrative here) rather than who actually is in need.

The end result is constant knee-jerk reactions whenever the complacent crowd suddenly finds themselves actually exposed to the impacts, with the further effect of constantly undermining perceived legitimacy of the advice and rules being given to keep people safe.

I think I have kept my cool through the last 18 months however the last two virus outbreaks are beginning to really annoy me.

Previous one was from SA and this one from NSW. And the further it goes this looks like it is the result of two groups of people who did not follow the rules.

What is that people don’t understand?

We are in a pandemic, you could easily get the virus and it kills.

Edited July 14, 20213 yr by old dee

1 minute ago, old dee said:

I think I have kept my cool through the last 18 months however the last two virus outbreaks are beginning to really annoy me.

Previous one was from SA and this one from NSW. And the further it goes this it looks like it is the result of two groups of people who did not follow the rules.

What is that people don’t understand?

We are in a pandemic, you could easily get the virus and it kills.

and when it doesn't kill it can still impact your life health-wise dramatically for years

often ignored or not understood

34 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

and when it doesn't kill it can still impact your life health-wise dramatically for years

often ignored or not understood

You forgot the "Too" DC. 

Very few people in Government / Medical authorities ever mention it. It astounds me so little is discussed about the effects of the virus.

Edited July 14, 20213 yr by old dee

Every time we have a lockdown, the press rush out and find some small business owner (or Whiney O'Brien) who tells them how bad it is for business.

I wish, just once, a journalist would ask them what dead customers and mass graves are like for business. 

Sorry Kent, not specifically footy related, but as of Monday I'm double AZ dosed .

Not a single symptom.

Apart from my recent blood clots.

Jokes. I had a runny nose 

 

23 minutes ago, binman said:

Sorry Kent, not specifically footy related, but as of Monday I'm double AZ dosed .

Not a single symptom.

Apart from my recent blood clots.

Jokes. I had a runny nose 

 

For clarity, I had my second az dose in Monday. Have had literally no symptoms.

And no blood clots.

I reckon anyone who has had two doses of vaccine should be able to go to the footy.

And that is not a joke. 

1 hour ago, old dee said:

I think I have kept my cool through the last 18 months however the last two virus outbreaks are beginning to really annoy me.

Previous one was from SA and this one from NSW. And the further it goes this looks like it is the result of two groups of people who did not follow the rules.

What is that people don’t understand?

We are in a pandemic, you could easily get the virus and it kills.

Geelong footy players are apparently greeted at Perth airport and told to isolate and get tested (as per this thread).

Victoria allows removalists from NSW to roam around at their leisure.

Why were they even let into the state to begin with? Lockdown the border with NSW so no-one can get in regardless of their occupation. The Vic government already dithered recently leading to our last lockdown, now they'll do it again as the cases rise over the next few days. I am ropeable about it.

43 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Geelong footy players are apparently greeted at Perth airport and told to isolate and get tested (as per this thread).

Victoria allows removalists from NSW to roam around at their leisure.

Why were they even let into the state to begin with? Lockdown the border with NSW so no-one can get in regardless of their occupation. The Vic government already dithered recently leading to our last lockdown, now they'll do it again as the cases rise over the next few days. I am ropeable about it.

Removalists are generally considered essential workers as people need to move house for a whole host of completely valid reasons, including to escape domestic violence or because they'll otherwise be turfed out by a landlord.

There is only so much governments can do. In this instance the individuals who were allowed in failed to follow the rules.

3 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

 
I’m sorta sick of hearing entitled people whinge about something that’s not really all that bad. Anyways, that’s my heartfelt opinion. 

Understand the frustration with your own situation, but I don't think its right for us to sit in judgement and bundle all AFL players and their families in the one "entitled" basket. A parent away from a young family for many months last year would understandably be nervous about another hub this year. And many young or fringe players are not on fat contracts, same with much of the support staff. 

32 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Removalists are generally considered essential workers as people need to move house for a whole host of completely valid reasons, including to escape domestic violence or because they'll otherwise be turfed out by a landlord.

There is only so much governments can do. In this instance the individuals who were allowed in failed to follow the rules.

Pretty sure we have removalists in Victoria. They could have handed over at the border.

2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Pretty sure we have removalists in Victoria. They could have handed over at the border.

NSW removalists are the gold standard though.

6 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Pretty sure we have removalists in Victoria. They could have handed over at the border.

that's beside the point, they are categorised as essential

there are 1,000s of trucks going interstate every day, that's how the rest of us get supplies

these removalists were cowboys and broke their conditions of operation and worse told a few fibs which cost the tracers a few days of tracking with who knows what consequences

hope they are appropriately punished

6 hours ago, Pates said:

If they cap the crowd this week then how about they do something about social distancing? Instead of cramming everyone into smaller zones make the entire ground available and have stewards requesting people give distance between the next person. It’s far and away the most baffling thing about how Australia has managed reopening of things. 

As much as I love the footy, if cases go up in the next 48 hours, I think there should be no crowds this week, until we get on top of it.

I hope it doesn't get to that.

We're meant to be shooting my current film in Sydney at the moment, literally in one of the most impacted councils in the state. It's so frustrating, but public health should come first.

If the Federal government cares about businesses it should support them and workers with COVID payments. Treasury appropriates funds, instructs its central bank to type numbers into a computer to mark up accounts, money instantly lands in people's accounts. That's how federal finances work. There's no excuse not to support Australians. That's literally the purpose of government.

If we need to lockdown for a few days, we need to lockdown. The footy can still go ahead in empty stadiums, provided all teams return negative tests.

5 hours ago, Jaded said:

They just said on the news Geelong will be met by police, taken to be tested and then told to isolate until they return a negative test result.

NSW may have done SFA for too long, but WA is another level of hysteria altogether. Absolute clowns. 

You do realise WA has some of the most vulnerable communities in the world living there, right?

My step mum's sister is high up in WA Health and they're paranoid about it ever getting into indigenous communities. Their strategies of short sharp lockdowns have not only been incredibly successful at suppressing the virus, they've been incredibly politically popular.

Movement already, GWS v Swans game moved to QLD this weekend, both teams flying out of VIC this morning according to SEN along with the Bulldogs. Let’s hope we get on top of this quickly.

8 hours ago, Stiff Arm said:

I don't think its right for us to sit in judgement and bundle all AFL players and their families in the one "entitled" basket.

I’m not judging. I am generalising. But I’m not judging. 

In Europe, for the most part, people are going about life as usual. My son lives in Poland (great vaccination rate) and right now he and his fiancée are holidaying in Italy. Italy!!! No masks, no quarantining, no social-distancing. And this is a country wherein 12 months ago the virus was running rampant. 
Someone on DL said our (Australia’s) problem is not enough people have died here. Clearly, that’s true. For had we registered a tonne of deaths, we surely would be right up there in terms of vaccination rates. 

Just tried to get ticket for Saturday as AFL member….no longer available on ticketek through AFL. I think ‘no crowds’ might be next up announcement. 

We are heading for a lockdown, there will be no crowds this weekend the government needs to slow this spread.  In WA someone was sent to jail for 7 months for breaking quarantine rules, we need to hold these removalists to account, make an example of people who break the rules.

My money would be on no crowds in Melb this week. Sucks but necessary. 

On a slightly different note. 

Three months ago in April India had a daily case rate of approx 250,000.  The rate peaked at just under 400,000 per day two months ago in May.  Since late June it has flat lined at around 40,000 - 50,000 per day.  It is still a tragic figure.  

I have searched for the reasons for such a quick and dramatic improvement.  There has been widespread full and partial lockdowns and while vaccines are up, vaccinating about 1 billion people in a matter of weeks doesn't seem likely.  Can't imagine covid has peetered out.  Perhaps a level of 'herd immunity'?  All the above?

Does anyone know of any literature/articles that indicate how the turnaround has been achieved?

Edited July 14, 20213 yr by Lucifer's Hero

31 minutes ago, layzie said:

My money would be on no crowds in Melb this week. Sucks but necessary. 

Agree with all the above.

I know we've missed plenty of games this year but if you're choosing between being locked out of the Hawks game or the rd 20 Dogs game or a finals game, most would be copping the Hawks game.