POSTGAME: Practice Match vs Richmond

[Bay Riffin 1,415]

45 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Great clearance by Oliver, but the real hero in this passage is Harmes.
Starts the clip with a block on Cotchin, then blocks the tagger pursuing on Oliver.
2 blocks in 4 seconds - clearance, goal.

May be maturity and selflessness, may be the the influence of Yze as midfield coach, but this is the type of teamwork we need to see more of.

 

great post. Harmes was bagged but had by far the greatest challenge on the ground, often under extreme pressure. he did cough it up early but teammates weren't in the right position for him. He is an ace in the sleeve for Goodwin and if he doesn't play him as a run with tagger we will be worse off for it. 

 

 

 

[Dr.D 1,771]

7 hours ago, Stretch Johnson said:

A lot of this is way off.

But the easy ones. 

Scott Thompson spent at least a whole year in the reserves.

Frawley took a few years to become consistent and was a whipping boy regularly getting smashed in one on ones and turning over the footy.

Bate showed a fair bit early and looked like he would kick on.  I liked him very much from the start.

Pickett has some pretty clear and rare senior AFL attributes that we haven't had in a small forward for decades.  That isn't enough on its own to see him make it but it's a start.  

I am sick to death of seeing other clubs blokes like Betts, Walters, Cameron, the Riolis and Ryan et al.  When on these players have a blend of skill speed and agility that makes them impossible to match up on.  They cause havoc for defences.  They are the type of players that regular feature in finals and premierships.  Pickett has these attributes along with a healthy streak of aggression. 

You are very wrong on your assessment of Pickett. One wonders why you would attempt rewrite history to manufacture an argument against a second year player who has already played senior footy and performed well?

We have plenty on the list that have been there for longer and showed far less.

 

wait, already performed well? he's kicked 7 goals in 14 games. At this stage, he is unproven. Until he kicks at least a goal a game then I will start paying attention. 

[kev martin 9,142]

3 hours ago, binman said:

I'm with you kev. He's got something i reckon. Personally i'd play him as a forward. 

I'd use J. Smith on and off the bench, mainly forward as an impact player who givies others a rest.  

 

Edited March 1, 2021 by kev martin

[Stretch Johnson 2,568]

2 hours ago, Dr.D said:

 then I will start paying attention.

There's an admission.

Pickett has the same goal average as the Wiz in his first season. 

Edited March 1, 2021 by Stretch Johnson

[58er 5,608]

2 hours ago, Dr.D said:

wait, already performed well? he's kicked 7 goals in 14 games. At this stage, he is unproven. Until he kicks at least a goal a game then I will start paying attention. 

Wrong DD give Kossie  a fair go He is a kid since when do you expect exact performances from Ist Rounders that always match their draft no?

Some are slower than others mids are quick to perform KP players slower ( SamW)  rucks even slower ( Gawny) and a comparison with many other small forwards is relevant.

if you want to be fairer  you could be super critical  on the same Scale with ANB or Hunty.!!! 

Kossie is only 19 and has elite talent and once he gets back into the swing will gain confidence with our Coaches assisting all along the way. He has a great base to build from and will pay us off many times over as Stretch says.

Your one goal a game is not a given but as long as he plays his role and creates pressure and chaos with the defenders we will prosper. A goal a game will be achieved and more if there is no pressure on him playing his role in due course.

 

 

[Turner 1,482]

22 hours ago, kev martin said:

I think Joel Smith has an upside.

He can do the spectacular and should be played forward as an impact player.

He can get a bit lost out there.

As he matures then put more responsibility/expectations on him.

he's 25 and been on a list for what 4/5 years now? doesn't get more mature than that, i think it's time we move on 

22 hours ago, DemonBlack said:

Not his best position but i would like to see him run through the 300 banner, after that if Bakers banging down the door its game on.

i agree re jones but i'm having a harder and harder time believing any baker hype, last year i was keen to see him in sooner as we seemed to have too many undroppables and similar types each week (mostly melksham and vanders) but i don't think his disposal is afl standard and he doesn't accumulate enough of the footy or use his speed to its full potential, maybe he's more suited to HF where he seems to be able to find the goals but i don't think he's the long term or short term solution for that matter

21 hours ago, Dr.D said:

We traded a first round pick to get him so I think expectations are justified. I've seen more from Bowey and Laurie in a afl reserves pricey match. 

we're gonna trade our future pick every year for ever and ever, the draft has as it seems an infinite life time so every season you can bring a future pick forward so we did the right thing using two first rounders on jacko and kozzy when we did

[kev martin 9,142]

1 hour ago, Turner said:

he's 25 and been on a list for what 4/5 years now? doesn't get more mature than that, i think it's time we move on 

He has missed lots of football. 

The maturity I mean, is gained from the experience on the field at an elite level.

While he remains on our list and will get games this year (more than likely), I will discuss him.

You can move on or do you mean the club should delist.

If not successful this season they may delist him.

Edited March 1, 2021 by kev martin

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,185]

Is it just me or is there a serious lack of post match coverage and reports following the game on the official MFC website?

No official match review, stats, interview from players, coaches review etc....

[NeveroddoreveN 1,034]

11 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Is it just me or is there a serious lack of post match coverage and reports following the game on the official MFC website?

No official match review, stats, interview from players, coaches review etc....

Saw a post  game interview with Chandler on Youtube....it is strange that this type stuff would not be up on MFC to get memberships before season starts.  They should be doing everything they can to promote the club.  Not going to get 50K members by hoping lol.

Edited March 1, 2021 by NeveroddoreveN

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

14 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Is it just me or is there a serious lack of post match coverage and reports following the game on the official MFC website?

No official match review, stats, interview from players, coaches review etc....

It was a scratch match, to which they organised a live stream. In years gone past you'd hear only the odd whisper about the game in the press or on here! Very few clubs had any sort of report, the majority had either highlights or just repeated the AFL website summary. I'd expect more from this weeks 'official' pre-season hit out, but surely between the AFL, SEN, HS, The Age etc. all covering the game this is enough? 

[Tough Kent 2,049]

I just took a call from T-Mac and asked him about the blood clot rumour. He said Oscar even rang him to ask if he was okay.

Apparently there was a young Casey fella in the B game that looked a bit like him who got taken to hospital with a blood clot after the game. Someone saw him at the hospital and confused him for T-Mac. 

Edited March 1, 2021 by Tough Kent

[sue 8,430]

7 minutes ago, Tough Kent said:

I just call from T-Mac and asked him about the blood clot rumour. He said Oscar even rang him to ask him if he was okay.

Apparently there was a young Casey fella in the B game that looked a bit like him who got taken to hospital with a blood clot after the game. Someone saw him at the hospital and confused him for T-Mac. 

Thanks.   When there is a rumour which turns out to be wrong it is good to know how it came about and to know it wasn't someone just stirring or being  malicious.

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

24 minutes ago, Tough Kent said:

I just took a call from T-Mac and asked him about the blood clot rumour.  

Yeah but what was your source

[58er 5,608]

1 hour ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

Saw a post  game interview with Chandler on Youtube....it is strange that this type stuff would not be up on MFC to get memberships before season starts.  They should be doing everything they can to promote the club.  Not going to get 50K members by hoping lol.

It is on our website !!  Don't you guys look at the website?

[NeveroddoreveN 1,034]

10 minutes ago, 58er said:

It is on our website !!  Don't you guys look at the website?

Sure do...it was up on Youtube before MFC though :P

[58er 5,608]

25 minutes ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

Sure do...it was up on Youtube before MFC though :P

What after the game on Friday ?

was on the website about 2 hours after I reckon might have been a bit quicker.

[NeveroddoreveN 1,034]

6 minutes ago, 58er said:

What after the game on Friday ?

was on the website about 2 hours after I reckon might have been a bit quicker.

Dunno exactly when i watched it, i think it was day after,,,,,The replays quarter by quarter were definitely up on youtube as soon as games had finished and at that stage were not on MFC website until later that evening.  I find that the information we get from this site is much more informative than MFC site regardless!

[Dr.D 1,771]

15 hours ago, 58er said:

Wrong DD give Kossie  a fair go He is a kid since when do you expect exact performances from Ist Rounders that always match their draft no?

Some are slower than others mids are quick to perform KP players slower ( SamW)  rucks even slower ( Gawny) and a comparison with many other small forwards is relevant.

if you want to be fairer  you could be super critical  on the same Scale with ANB or Hunty.!!! 

Kossie is only 19 and has elite talent and once he gets back into the swing will gain confidence with our Coaches assisting all along the way. He has a great base to build from and will pay us off many times over as Stretch says.

Your one goal a game is not a given but as long as he plays his role and creates pressure and chaos with the defenders we will prosper. A goal a game will be achieved and more if there is no pressure on him playing his role in due course.

 

 

Yeah I hear what you're saying. I just feel that just because a player is quick it doesn't mean he applies forward pressure. I don't remember too many times where Pickett caused direct turnovers by his forward pressure. maybe 1 play.  And he is only as quick as he is when he is standing. When he goes to ground, which is far too often, he may as well as be mark Jamar because he offers no speed when going to ground. That's my main criticism. Also, I think his kicking needs improving. He drops the ball from inside to out far too extremely. He also kicks the belly of the ball too much when snapping for goal. This probably explains his awful goal to behind ratio.

ANB is being played out of position so I'm not that critical. He is a midfielder, not a half forward. When played in the midfield he has a lot of upside. Hunt also has never been a forward. Sure he's had the odd good game there but his best season has been as a defender and he really needed to stay there. 

[58er 5,608]

2 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Yeah I hear what you're saying. I just feel that just because a player is quick it doesn't mean he applies forward pressure. I don't remember too many times where Pickett caused direct turnovers by his forward pressure. maybe 1 play.  And he is only as quick as he is when he is standing. When he goes to ground, which is far too often, he may as well as be mark Jamar because he offers no speed when going to ground. That's my main criticism. Also, I think his kicking needs improving. He drops the ball from inside to out far too extremely. He also kicks the belly of the ball too much when snapping for goal. This probably explains his awful goal to behind ratio.

ANB is being played out of position so I'm not that critical. He is a midfielder, not a half forward. When played in the midfield he has a lot of upside. Hunt also has never been a forward. Sure he's had the odd good game there but his best season has been as a defender and he really needed to stay there. 

Yes Kossie needs a finishing course and that's Choco's job.
Don't really see ANB as a mid he has ordinary skills hand and foot is not super strong and finishes his goal snap shots poorer Than all of our players.

Hunt I jus think is  jack of all trades and master of none so we keep him for depth and may be run off the backline today but goal sneaking at HF tomorrow !!

[Turner 1,482]

7 hours ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

Saw a post  game interview with Chandler on Youtube....it is strange that this type stuff would not be up on MFC to get memberships before season starts.  They should be doing everything they can to promote the club.  Not going to get 50K members by hoping lol.

Pert was on SEN today and said we had 5k membership spike since beating richmond last week alone. thats pretty handy

5 hours ago, Dr.D said:

ANB is being played out of position so I'm not that critical. He is a midfielder, not a half forward. When played in the midfield he has a lot of upside. Hunt also has never been a forward. Sure he's had the odd good game there but his best season has been as a defender and he really needed to stay there. 

if ANB was a midfielder he would have been off an afl list before we'd even heard his name. the club acknowledged that tried to adapt him to another role, now we have more exciting options there and he is back in the wilderness. hunt similarly, club recognised his disposal wasnt good enough off HB at a time where we struggled to go i50 effectively and trialled him forward where he had some ok performances but was largely a passenger but new rules and stronger options forward of centre have reverted him back to HB and imo he was lucky it was a two year extension and not only 1

[Roost it far 6,093]

5 hours ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

Dunno exactly when i watched it, i think it was day after,,,,,The replays quarter by quarter were definitely up on youtube as soon as games had finished and at that stage were not on MFC website until later that evening.  I find that the information we get from this site is much more informative than MFC site regardless!

The club noted on the website there was a problem and they could be viewed on YouTube 

[Dr.D 1,771]

12 minutes ago, Turner said:

Pert was on SEN today and said we had 5k membership spike since beating richmond last week alone. thats pretty handy

if ANB was a midfielder he would have been off an afl list before we'd even heard his name. the club acknowledged that tried to adapt him to another role, now we have more exciting options there and he is back in the wilderness. hunt similarly, club recognised his disposal wasnt good enough off HB at a time where we struggled to go i50 effectively and trialled him forward where he had some ok performances but was largely a passenger but new rules and stronger options forward of centre have reverted him back to HB and imo he was lucky it was a two year extension and not only 1

I disagree. I've never understood the criticism of ANB. he is hard, moves well, decent enough disposals and his decision making is ok. he also hits the scoreboard. There's a lot of players I criticise but ANB has never been one of them. His form in 2017 showed me that he has already succeeded as an afl mid. He basically got moved out on to a flank since then. 

Hunt got a 2 year extension because we were the slowest team in the comp. Not that hard to figure out really. 

[whatwhat say what 18,937]

32 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

The club noted on the website there was a problem and they could be viewed on YouTube 

the joy of ooyala continues on? or a brightcove outage?

the same video that is uploaded to mfc website is processed by yt automatically at the same time and obviously yt reach >>>>>> mfc reach

[binman 38,069]

34 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

the joy of ooyala continues on? or a brightcove outage?

the same video that is uploaded to mfc website is processed by yt automatically at the same time and obviously yt reach >>>>>> mfc reach

I might have to put this into google translate. 

[DeeSpencer 23,131]

51 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

I disagree. I've never understood the criticism of ANB. he is hard, moves well, decent enough disposals and his decision making is ok. he also hits the scoreboard. There's a lot of players I criticise but ANB has never been one of them. His form in 2017 showed me that he has already succeeded as an afl mid. He basically got moved out on to a flank since then. 

When did ANB ever play in the midfield? I can’t remember him ever getting extended minutes apart from at Casey where he was a dominant accumulator but ok ball user.

He isn’t hard. He doesn’t bodyline the ball, it’s mostly at arms length.

He has good athleticism but isn’t a natural mover through traffic. He has no left side and too often tries to kick out of traffic. His first kick on the weekend tried to go through 6 legs.

He probably should get some more midfield rotation time but he has to earn it by showing he’s stronger over the ball and better with it. Plus we’re stacked with mids.

He showed some improvement last year. Clearly the scratch matches helped him find a stack of the ball and get better with using it.
 

There were some positives on the weekend with a few clever underground handballs. That’s a rare sign of him adding a skill rather than stepping to his right foot and hoping it works out. Ideally he’d add a left hand and a left foot but if it’s the underground handball then that works for me. 

Overall though he is what he is - a tireless worker plying the hardest spot on the ground. High half forward is mostly a midfield position. The bulk of his time and possessions will come between the arcs. But he has to win and use the ball better under pressure otherwise he goes from a useful role player to sub par.