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Review Finds Collingwood Guilty of Systemic Racism

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27 minutes ago, dieter said:

ER, for the record, I came to this country in 1956 as a 6 year old from Germany. The abuse I suffered was physical and mental.  It was obviously racist abuse. Because I was so desperate to 'fit in' the racial insults became a part of my life. When I was thirty five, my best friend was a Jewish dude called Sam. He liked a drink. He'd turn up at my flat in Alma Road and tell me how bad he felt that the only place in East St Kilda he could get a drink was at a Nazi's house. Then he'd borrow my Primo Levi books. At least he returned them.

Don't mention the war.

I remember eating Anzac Biscuits at Morning tea when a neighbour came in who was Turkish.He sat down and asked if he could have a biscuit and I said " No -these are ANZAC biscuits, they're not for Turks" To which he replied as he grabbed one "Get F..cked -we won" which was hilarious .

 

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    1 hour ago, dieter said:

    ER, for the record, I came to this country in 1956 as a 6 year old from Germany. The abuse I suffered was physical and mental.  It was obviously racist abuse. Because I was so desperate to 'fit in' the racial insults became a part of my life. When I was thirty five, my best friend was a Jewish dude called Sam. He liked a drink. He'd turn up at my flat in Alma Road and tell me how bad he felt that the only place in East St Kilda he could get a drink was at a Nazi's house. Then he'd borrow my Primo Levi books. At least he returned them.

    I understand where you are coming from dieter  because i bear my own mental scars from racial abuse almost the same period into the very early 60s and from people who should have protected many of us at school instead they were not any better. I won't say any further than that..

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    3 hours ago, don't make me angry said:

    he is a  hypocrites the worst people in the world.

    Name one person who isn't and I'll show you a dead man...

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    1 hour ago, rjay said:

    Name one person who isn't and I'll show you a dead man...

    That leaves us with 'people are the worst people.'

    Which I guess is not a bad starting point for accepting each other.

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    33 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

    That leaves us with 'people are the worst people.'

    Which I guess is not a bad starting point for accepting each other.

    wot?  no more cancelling?  you're such a meanie

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    10 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

    I understand where you are coming from dieter  because i bear my own mental scars from racial abuse almost the same period into the very early 60s and from people who should have protected many of us at school instead they were not any better. I won't say any further than that..

    While not being a victim of racism myself i witnessed it many times at school,a German kid bought a brought a soccer ball to school training teacher in charge of training kicked it away and said we dont play that wog stuff here.The kid was reduced to tears he just wanted to fit in IT had a major effect on me,i got the ball and walked him home,ended up staying for tea had great time , english wasnt their strong suite hah ha the kid ended up my best friend and familys became close.Not sure why am posting this on here but i understand where you and Dieter are coming from.I was only 8 at the time ,changed my life .PS if this has bored you

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    On 2/1/2021 at 10:27 AM, rjay said:

     

    It would be interesting to see a similar enquiry held into the AFL...

    I would expect findings like this, insert AFL for Collingwood

    • There is a gap between what Collingwood Football Club says it stands for and what it does
    • The club is more likely to react to media coverage about a racist incident than complaints made within the club
    • Collingwood's response has often been perceived as one where claims of racism are dealt with in terms of damage control and protecting the brand

    An interesting article on the AFL approach to racism...

    Pretty much mirrors my comments above.

    It's more about brand management than anything else.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-07/joel-wilkinson-the-afl-and-the-search-for-racial-justice/12825394

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    5 hours ago, forever demons said:

    While not being a victim of racism myself i witnessed it many times at school,a German kid bought a brought a soccer ball to school training teacher in charge of training kicked it away and said we dont play that wog stuff here.The kid was reduced to tears he just wanted to fit in IT had a major effect on me,i got the ball and walked him home,ended up staying for tea had great time , english wasnt their strong suite hah ha the kid ended up my best friend and familys became close.Not sure why am posting this on here but i understand where you and Dieter are coming from.I was only 8 at the time ,changed my life .PS if this has bored you

    I think i need a proof reader,just read my post good grief that was shocking

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    22 hours ago, dieter said:

    ER, for the record, I came to this country in 1956 as a 6 year old from Germany. The abuse I suffered was physical and mental.  It was obviously racist abuse. Because I was so desperate to 'fit in' the racial insults became a part of my life. When I was thirty five, my best friend was a Jewish dude called Sam. He liked a drink. He'd turn up at my flat in Alma Road and tell me how bad he felt that the only place in East St Kilda he could get a drink was at a Nazi's house. Then he'd borrow my Primo Levi books. At least he returned them.

    My Oma and Opa use to live on Alma Road, near Wilks Street I think it was. 

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    3 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

    My Oma and Opa use to live on Alma Road, near Wilks Street I think it was. 

    They sold some great hash back in the day. Never gave tick.

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    On 2/7/2021 at 4:31 PM, don't make me angry said:

    extraordinary clam by a  ex team mate must be a grain of truth by Simon

    Or he participated in it and is trying to downplay it

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    On 2/7/2021 at 4:31 PM, don't make me angry said:

    extraordinary clam by a  ex team mate must be a grain of truth by Simon

    So you don't believe the numerous people who have backed Lumumba's version of events but you then choose to believe one single person who wasn't even there for most of it... Confirmation bias perhaps?

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    Must agree with Lumumba here...it appears the AFL & Collingwood are hiding behind the women.

    Pretty average I think.

    Be nice to have some real leadership...but as' @old dee' says, it's not likely under the current leadership or any future version of the old boys club...

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2021/02/08/lumumba-collingwood-racism/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning News - 20210209

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    23 hours ago, forever demons said:

    I think i need a proof reader,just read my post good grief that was shocking

    It's a great post FD> I would however refer you to the comma and full stop keys which are next to the "M"!

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    758DCE19-A845-4913-A3BC-0824711BC404.thumb.jpeg.43659bf40761c67d481f147302969bc0.jpegPocket profile from AFL Record, it’s a bit hard to read need to zoom in, some interesting answers in there though 

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    40 minutes ago, brendan said:

    Pocket profile from AFL Record, it’s a bit hard to read need to zoom in, some interesting answers in there though 

    That's intriguing.  Good job digging it up. 

    That would be from some time from 2006 (Jack Anthony's first season) to 2008 (Scott Burns retires).

    By coincidence, I've just finished reading a short book that was a kind of 'live memoir' written during the 1989-90 wave of liberation from the communist regimes of Central Europe.  A point that was observed many times was the sense of 'universal complicity' created by the totalitarian system; everyone felt that they were both victim and perpetrator because of the necessity of participation in the system. "I am Cain AND Abel," was a famous banner.

    In a complex way that also has been pointed to as a key reason that those 'revolutions' were almost entirely bloodless (setting aside poor old Romania).  The sense of guilt was universal and the need for mutual forgiveness was also universal.

    It's unfortunate that the kaleidoscope of suppressions in Australia is so fragmented and multi-directional that it is not really possible to all come together in Wenceslas Square and collectively reject it.  It's just so easy for everyone to imagine themselves to be exceptionally the victims or to be particular targets.

    Overthrowing Communism would be so much simpler to think through than dealing with this mess.

     

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    1 hour ago, brendan said:

    758DCE19-A845-4913-A3BC-0824711BC404.thumb.jpeg.43659bf40761c67d481f147302969bc0.jpegPocket profile from AFL Record, it’s a bit hard to read need to zoom in, some interesting answers in there though 

    Yes i saw that quoted in Sam Newman’s Twit account this morning. 
    he was thoroughly enjoying it. 
    odds on H never filled it out

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    1 hour ago, brendan said:

    758DCE19-A845-4913-A3BC-0824711BC404.thumb.jpeg.43659bf40761c67d481f147302969bc0.jpegPocket profile from AFL Record, it’s a bit hard to read need to zoom in, some interesting answers in there though 

    Lumumba has said that he didn't stand up for himself back in those days as he wanted to be accepted.

    Without further context all this does is prove further that it happened and make it even more dubious that senior figures, including coaches, continue to deny they ever knew about it.

    This is more sad than it is controversial, although obviously that will vary depending on which lens you choose to view it through.

     

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    1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

    Sound like Eddie will be stepping down.

    Presser shortly.

    Has stepped down... effective immediately.

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    Yep. Eddie has stepped down effective immediately. 

    Edit:  And Hardtack gets in with the scoop by a whisker :lol:

    Edited by Little Goffy

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    1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

    Yes i saw that quoted in Sam Newman’s Twit account this morning. 
    he was thoroughly enjoying it. 
    odds on H never filled it out

    Sam Newman is a [censored] however you seem to be selective in the evidence you accept.

    All the evidence has to be judged on its merits not on whether it supports or rejects the allegations.

    Go down that alley & you are no better than conspiracy theorists.

     

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    1 minute ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

    reckon he'll lead with 'it's a proud day...'?

    I'll set the bar high for this press conference;

    "They are not yet come back. But I have spoke
    With one that saw him die; who did report
    That very frankly he confessed his treasons,
    Implor'd your Highness' pardon, and set forth
    A deep repentance. Nothing in his life
    Became him like the leaving it."

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