3 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Are you saying that a person who makes good money from his or her occupation cannot also be subjected to racism? Why else mention "his $$"?

The point I'm making is that he's had a very privileged life both in financial terms and opportunities.

Some posters seem to think its obligatory to like HL. I didn't like him at Collingwood, or at Melbourne and I don't like him now

4 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Ok Dieter I don't mind that you disagree with me but don't tell me I don't know how racism works because I am a wog as well and I copped racism all through school.

I've also worked on a number of Indigenous Communities in the NT and am proud to count maybe 20 to 30 Aboriginal people as good friends or at least solid acquaintences so I know very well how racism works.

Then why are you cranking out all of this stuff which most people interpret as unadulterated latent racism?

1 minute ago, dieter said:

Then why are you cranking out all of this stuff which most people interpret as unadulterated latent racism?

I like to follow facts & not jump on bandwagons.  Usually nobody is completely right or wrong. The truth is usually in a gray area in the middle.

What is it that I said that suggests I support racism ?

 

Funny, I seem to recall reading that Buckley and Eddie have no recollection of HL being called chimp. And yet we have documented evidence that it was his nickname. Another player Simon Godfrey? recalls HL promoting the nickname. HL says he accepted it to fit in. Is it possible for Buckley not to know a team mates nickname? I call BS. I call this an example of systemic racism. The removal of Eddie is not the end of this.

Lumumba made another interesting point on Twitter, which was quoted in that article:

“The 'CFC Do Better' report was not a 'response to the Black Lives Matter movement', as McGuire suggested.

“CFC themselves announced the review was commissioned 'following accounts of racism made by Heritier Lumumba'.

I wondered what the hell Eddie was talking about too.

Either I'm right about him having cognitive issues or Eddie just couldn't help spinning things and big upping himself and tbe club (ie "we were on the front foot, are leaders and wanted to respond to the blm. Coz we're great. And not a racist club. Just some poor processes and policies' ).

The irony is rather than determinedly investigating Lumumba's accusations tbey instead looked to buy some time and cover with a review. That  with some help from Eddie , blew them up.

 

10 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

The point I'm making is that he's had a very privileged life both in financial terms and opportunities.

Some posters seem to think its obligatory to like HL. I didn't like him at Collingwood, or at Melbourne and I don't like him now

I think you are missing the point, it is not whether or not you like the guy.  What does that have to do with systematic racism remotely?  It sounds like you perhaps have that tall poppy syndrome and are a little bit jealous of his money and opportunities in life.  It does not honestly sound like he had a privileged upbringing either,. Trying to validate hate or dislike for somebody so strongly, for no real reason other than letting us all know how you feel about him personally seems fruitless.

5 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

Your narrative is 100% acceptance of anything HL or others say that condemns Collingwood in this saga but have a glib rebuttal or ready made excuse of any contradictory evidence.

 

What 'contradictory evidence' are you referring to? You sound as vague as Trump about an election he supposedly won by simply using the term 'Election Fraud' as evidence. A CFC commissioned enquiry found the CFC shall we say negligent in its duty of care to its players with regard to Racism. What's your so-called evidence to the contrary?

1 hour ago, Cranky Franky said:

The point I'm making is that he's had a very privileged life both in financial terms and opportunities.

"Worked bloody hard to become an AFL footballer" is what I think you meant to say.

Lumumba was born close to a port where his ancestors were brought as slaves. He moved across the world at age 3 and adopted a different first name so that it was easier for the kids at school.

He's copped way way worse then "Chimp" at Collingwood. Maybe put in some research that isn't fed to you by Rupert, especially given it's now known there were journalists who completely made up quotes and attributed them to him in search of clicks and attention.

He's also dealt with depression.

Yeah. So privileged.

I strongly suggest reading this article:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-05/heritier-lumumba-strength-in-african-culture-collingwood-afl/12820942

Edited February 11, 20214 yr by Lord Nev

On 2/10/2021 at 1:03 PM, Pickett2Jackson said:

People really love making excuses for Lumumba.  The same people who say he didn't fill out that AFL record player profile are the same ones saying his ex teammate Simon Buckley lied about Harry O making up the nickname Chimp for himself.

 The guy is toxic.

 

 

5 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

Agree with u wholeheartedly PJ. This self obsessed prat made more money in footy than I made in a lifetime & didn't exactly endear himself to supporters with the way he finished at Melbourne.

He can stay in the US & count his $$. I reckon he & Eddie & the Pies all deserve each other.

 

1 hour ago, Cranky Franky said:

Ok Dieter I don't mind that you disagree with me but don't tell me I don't know how racism works because I am a wog as well and I copped racism all through school.

I've also worked on a number of Indigenous Communities in the NT and am proud to count maybe 20 to 30 Aboriginal people as good friends or at least solid acquaintences so I know very well how racism works.

 

1 hour ago, Cranky Franky said:

The point I'm making is that he's had a very privileged life both in financial terms and opportunities.

Some posters seem to think its obligatory to like HL. I didn't like him at Collingwood, or at Melbourne and I don't like him now

I don't know him, never met him so don't know whether I like him or not. He comes across as a bit of a merchant banker but it doesn't mean he doesn't have a case, it doesn't mean he wasn't subjected to the abuse he says he has.

Take the personality out of it and look at the issue.

...and as for the aboriginal friends and understanding how racism works, I think you only truly know if you walk in their shoes.

1 hour ago, dieter said:

What 'contradictory evidence' are you referring to? You sound as vague as Trump about an election he supposedly won by simply using the term 'Election Fraud' as evidence. A CFC commissioned enquiry found the CFC shall we say negligent in its duty of care to its players with regard to Racism. What's your so-called evidence to the contrary?

Several, the Walid Ali interview, comments from contemporary players and the 2006 interview abt his nickname- all have been swept under the carpet.

Anyhow we clearly disagree so any further discussion is pointless - think I'll focus on the footy.

51 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

"Worked bloody hard to become an AFL footballer" is what I think you meant to say.

Lumumba was born close to a port where his ancestors were brought as slaves. He moved across the world at age 3 and adopted a different first name so that it was easier for the kids at school.

He's copped way way worse then "Chimp" at Collingwood. Maybe put in some research that isn't fed to you by Rupert, especially given it's now known there were journalists who completely made up quotes and attributed them to him in search of clicks and attention.

He's also dealt with depression.

Yeah. So privileged.

I strongly suggest reading this article:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-05/heritier-lumumba-strength-in-african-culture-collingwood-afl/12820942

As the modern virtue signallers say "Wow Just Wow"

Not sure of the relevance of his birthplace or ancestors or depression - you seem to be besotted with HL.

Surprised you don't reckon someone who has earn't enough to retire at 31 isn't privileged. 

He has had a thoroughly middle class Australian upbringing.

Suggest you look at the life of Polly Farmer, Robbie Muir or Syd Jackson if you want to read about real struggles and adversity.

Anyhow you are entitled to your opinion & we are clearly not going to agree about it so think I'll leave HL & move to other matters.

 

 

25 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

As the modern virtue signallers say "Wow Just Wow"

Not sure of the relevance of his birthplace or ancestors or depression - you seem to be besotted with HL.

Surprised you don't reckon someone who has earn't enough to retire at 31 isn't privileged. 

He has had a thoroughly middle class Australian upbringing.

Suggest you look at the life of Polly Farmer, Robbie Muir or Syd Jackson if you want to read about real struggles and adversity.

Anyhow you are entitled to your opinion & we are clearly not going to agree about it so think I'll leave HL & move to other matters.

You don't understand how his birthplace, ancestry or mental health impacts his "privilege"? Righto.

He's retired from football yes, but he hasn't ceased working.

I get that you don't like him, you've made that painfully obvious, what you haven't managed to explain is how that is any relevance at all to his experience of racism.

Although I shouldn't expect much in the way of empathy from anyone who uses the term "virtue signallers".

You've really outed yourself here and you don't even see it.

7 hours ago, Demon17 said:

Fair comment, but I was dissappointed in Jason Mifsuds comments this morning. He is/was part of the AFL machine

Isn't Mifsud the guy who declared jihad against Neeld and it turned out to be just a misunderstanding?

And if I'm not mistaken (stand to be corrected) he was in the lynching of Matt Rendell who made the seemingly uncontroversial remark that indigenous players from remote communities have a harder time settling in to big AFL cities?

His track record in this area isn't exactly stellar.

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

You don't understand how his birthplace, ancestry or mental health impacts his "privilege"? Righto.

He's retired from football yes, but he hasn't ceased working.

I get that you don't like him, you've made that painfully obvious, what you haven't managed to explain is how that is any relevance at all to his experience of racism.

Although I shouldn't expect much in the way of empathy from anyone who uses the term "virtue signallers".

You've really outed yourself here and you don't even see it.

What is his job exactly?

18 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

And if I'm not mistaken (stand to be corrected) he was in the lynching of Matt Rendell who made the seemingly uncontroversial remark that indigenous players from remote communities have a harder time settling in to big AFL cities?

I don't have an opinion on Mifsud one way or the other. Matt Rendell's quote was that, as a recruiting manager, he would be unlikely to recruit an indigenous player unless they had one white parent. Sure, his underlying point might have been that Indigenous players from remote communities face additional hurdles adjusting to the AFL, which is obviously valid. But what he said was racist in the most literal, unambiguous sense possible. The widespread outrage at the time was pretty well justified.

 

16 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Isn't Mifsud the guy who declared jihad against Neeld and it turned out to be just a misunderstanding?

And if I'm not mistaken (stand to be corrected) he was in the lynching of Matt Rendell who made the seemingly uncontroversial remark that indigenous players from remote communities have a harder time settling in to big AFL cities?

His track record in this area isn't exactly stellar.

Correct on both counts. He should know better , but very well connected so gets away with it.

20 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

"Worked bloody hard to become an AFL footballer" is what I think you meant to say.

Lumumba was born close to a port where his ancestors were brought as slaves. He moved across the world at age 3 and adopted a different first name so that it was easier for the kids at school.

He's copped way way worse then "Chimp" at Collingwood. Maybe put in some research that isn't fed to you by Rupert, especially given it's now known there were journalists who completely made up quotes and attributed them to him in search of clicks and attention.

He's also dealt with depression.

Yeah. So privileged.

I strongly suggest reading this article:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-05/heritier-lumumba-strength-in-african-culture-collingwood-afl/12820942

Crank sees it through “As long as they behave like good white boys, they will be accepted” eyes ? 

 

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Crank sees it through “As long as they behave like good white boys, they will be accepted” eyes ? 

 

Thanks brittle you can argue on my behalf henceforth.

9 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

Thanks brittle you can argue on my behalf henceforth.

You’re on your own Sunshine...

On 2/11/2021 at 6:20 PM, Mazer Rackham said:

Isn't Mifsud the guy who declared jihad against Neeld and it turned out to be just a misunderstanding?

And if I'm not mistaken (stand to be corrected) he was in the lynching of Matt Rendell who made the seemingly uncontroversial remark that indigenous players from remote communities have a harder time settling in to big AFL cities?

His track record in this area isn't exactly stellar.

rendell's comments were a bit more inflammatory than that tho; said he wouldn't recruit an indigenous player unless they had one white parent - he said it was a 'throwaway line' but it obviously - and fairly - caused a ruckus

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-20/rendell-racist-comment-throw-away-line/3900240

 

On 2/11/2021 at 2:50 PM, NeveroddoreveN said:

I think you are missing the point, it is not whether or not you like the guy.  What does that have to do with systematic racism remotely?  It sounds like you perhaps have that tall poppy syndrome and are a little bit jealous of his money and opportunities in life.  It does not honestly sound like he had a privileged upbringing either,. Trying to validate hate or dislike for somebody so strongly, for no real reason other than letting us all know how you feel about him personally seems fruitless.

10000000000% brother...

ps... I miss @Skuit

On 2/13/2021 at 7:04 PM, Engorged Onion said:

10000000000% brother...

ps... I miss @Skuit

Still lurking on occasion mate, but keeping the opinions to myself. That said, I've never really been inclined to open any potentially racially-charged topics on Demonland in the past until you basically summonsed me here. Haven't and won't read this thread back. You can't change small-minded bias on an internet forum. Meanwhile, "Free the Darwin 15" - something to properly rally around. That's me 'virtue-signalling' on here and every day on the fence of the local detention centre. 

7 hours ago, Skuit said:

Still lurking on occasion mate, but keeping the opinions to myself. That said, I've never really been inclined to open any potentially racially-charged topics on Demonland in the past until you basically summonsed me here. Haven't and won't read this thread back. You can't change small-minded bias on an internet forum. Meanwhile, "Free the Darwin 15" - something to properly rally around. That's me 'virtue-signalling' on here and every day on the fence of the local detention centre. 

Bloody PC police, snowflake virtue signalers

 

 

This adds a bit more juice to the story and calls out the clubs leaders...

I must admit Buckley's silence has been deafening.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/550084/-can-no-longer-stay-silent-ex-pie-takes-aim-at-leaders-over-racism-claims?fbclid=IwAR1Ii51BWjCo3C03vaKhl6y6EevJR6o_-W0E6J7gc2pWwrQJ-ODuC0SR0HI

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/18/we-were-told-go-your-hardest-examining-racism-at-collingwood-heres-what-we-found

This is written by the report's authors. It gives a bit more background into their report and the thrust of it.