20 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

 so why did Ben Brown get in if he wasn't doing it repeatedly? in fact, his output was less than weideman. Good luck finding anyone that kicks 7 repeatedly at Vfl level. 

BBB are averaging about the same this season.  Weid hardly got near it in his first game back apparently.  He's kicked 0, 7 and 3 goals in his outings so far this year hasn't he?

I personally think we could and should manage/rest Jacko and possibly T Mac/BBB at some stage this year, so Weid will get his chance at AFL level.

Edited April 29, 20213 yr by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

1 minute ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

BBB are averaging about the same this season.  Weid hardly got near it in his first game back apparently.  He's kicked 0, 7 and 3 goals in his outings so far this year hasn't he?

First game was a practice match in atrocious conditions, but yes he did kick 0 and BBB kicked 1.

45 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

 so why did Ben Brown get in if he wasn't doing it repeatedly? in fact, his output was less than weideman. Good luck finding anyone that kicks 7 repeatedly at Vfl level. 

Sideshow Bob has been kicking goals for years. The Weid has had a few good games at AFL Level. 
The jump between VFL and AFL is massive 

On track to kick 10 today... how do you not reward that? 

Weideman and Brown is by far the best combination at AFL level.

I'd hate to lose Weideman due to McDonald's good form.  Hats off to McDonald, but Weideman will be a better AFL forward and IS the future.

1 minute ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

Weideman and Brown is by far the best combination at AFL level.

I'd hate to lose Weideman due to McDonald's good form.  Hats off to McDonald, but Weideman will be a better AFL forward and IS the future.

Completely agree. 
We need to keep Weideman and we need to start rewarding him. It’s just hard when McDonald is in blinding form not seen since 2018. Nobody expected it. I don’t think Melbourne expected it. 
My only knock on Weideman is he’s quite poor defensively, which is why I think he hasn’t played seniors yet. Really needs to do more when he doesn’t win the ball. 

6 minutes ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

Weideman and Brown is by far the best combination at AFL level.

I'd hate to lose Weideman due to McDonald's good form.  Hats off to McDonald, but Weideman will be a better AFL forward and IS the future.

Spot on.  I hope we win by 100 on Sunday but T Mac has a shocker.

 

1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

 so why did Ben Brown get in if he wasn't doing it repeatedly? in fact, his output was less than weideman. Good luck finding anyone that kicks 7 repeatedly at Vfl level. 

i thought you were an intellectual, doc.......so figure it out....it's not complicated

On 1/2/2021 at 1:29 PM, Win4theAges said:

I know this is a Sam Weideman thread but as promising as the Weideman/Brown combo was in 2020, Tmac still has a big say as to who plays key position in 2021.

Prophetic

Posters asking why Brown instead of Weideman?

BROWN - 200 cm. 101 kg. 130 games for 287 goals at 2.2 per game. Marks average per game 4.8.

WEED - 196 cm. 97 kg. 44 games for 46 goals at 1 per game. Marks average per game 3.5.

No contest.

13 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Spot on.  I hope we win by 100 on Sunday but T Mac has a shocker.

 

You are actually hoping that one of our players has a shocker? That's a new low, even for you. 

Explain to me the logic behind replacing a player who has been in the coaches votes in most games this year in an unbeaten side, with one who had one scoring shot in his last four AFL games.

Tmac had better hands, better set shot and more aerobic capacity then Weid right now

Yes Sam is also quite good in these areas (pack /overhead making still Wip) and should pass Tmac at some stage might not be this year if Tmac keeps up his form

I think some people are missing the point.

It's not so much a Weideman vs Brown, but more so that it's Weideman competing against McDonald. 

I've really enjoyed McDonald's form this year, but the ideal world for us is its Brown, Jackson and Weideman as our preferred talls up forward. Long term, Weideman is a much better fit for us and am worried that due to him being out of contract this year, he may look at other opportunities. 

After last night's performance, we simply need to get Weideman in. How the coaches rectify that I have no idea, but he's far too good for VFL level.

Bringing in Brown was an absolute no brainer. He's a proven star full forward when up and going and his record speaks for itself.

A fit Ben Brown makes us a genuine premiership contender. 

14 hours ago, old dee said:

Where was he in the last 4 games? Went missing !

He did.

From memory, thought that was also a function of being overly double teamed and suffered from not having more key pos support. 

25 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I think some people are missing the point.

It's not so much a Weideman vs Brown, but more so that it's Weideman competing against McDonald. 

I've really enjoyed McDonald's form this year, but the ideal world for us is its Brown, Jackson and Weideman as our preferred talls up forward. Long term, Weideman is a much better fit for us and am worried that due to him being out of contract this year, he may look at other opportunities. 

After last night's performance, we simply need to get Weideman in. How the coaches rectify that I have no idea, but he's far too good for VFL level.

Bringing in Brown was an absolute no brainer. He's a proven star full forward when up and going and his record speaks for itself.

A fit Ben Brown makes us a genuine premiership contender. 

I don't think it is Weideman vs McDonald. Really it is Weideman, Brown, McDonald, Jackson and Fritsch competing for three or four spots.

You are correct that we need to get Weideman in. He is on the borderline of becoming an A Grade AFL forward. Even if McDonald maintains his form and Brown returns to his previous form, Weideman could be the best of them.

We might need to rotate Weideman, Brown, McDonald and Jackson over the coming weeks and potentially give Gawn a rest. I know most Demonlanders would be against changing a winning formula, but we still need to experiment to determine our best team/structure.

Is it a stretch to say if Sam is not included in next week, it would be prudent for him to be looking elsewhere, as he is not valued enough? (perhaps this is a rhetorical question?) (perhaps that is a rhetorical question also?)

I think Sam is all class when he gets the ball in hand... I look at him and wonder about his urgency at the same time though.

If he is not a pressure forward, then what would be the metrics he needs to be hitting?

So many questions about Sam... 

 

12 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

I don't think it is Weideman vs McDonald. Really it is Weideman, Brown, McDonald, Jackson and Fritsch competing for three or four spots.

You are correct that we need to get Weideman in. He is on the borderline of becoming an A Grade AFL forward. Even if McDonald maintains his form and Brown returns to his previous form, Weideman could be the best of them.

We might need to rotate Weideman, Brown, McDonald and Jackson over the coming weeks and potentially give Gawn a rest. I know most Demonlanders would be against changing a winning formula, but we still need to experiment to determine our best team/structure.

Given we are 6-0, if we change our structure as you suggest, and we keep winning, are we actually any smarter?

However, if we change our structure and we lose a game seemingly because of this change, we know that the original structure was better.

Therefore maybe stick with what we have until it breaks?

1 minute ago, Engorged Onion said:

Is it a stretch to say if Sam is not included in next week, it would be prudent for him to be looking elsewhere, as he is not valued enough? (perhaps this is a rhetorical question?) (perhaps that is a rhetorical question also?)

I think Sam is all class when he gets the ball in hand... I look at him and wonder about his urgency at the same time though.

If he is not a pressure forward, then what would be the metrics he needs to be hitting?

So many questions about Sam... 

 

If he doesn't play next week he will leave to another club at the end of season and we will be stuck with a 30 year old Tom McDonald as our key forward in 2022.  Need I remind everyone of what McDonald did in 2019 and 2020.  

It would be a list management disaster.

#bringintheweid

I recall 1991 when Jakovich had to kick over 70 goals in the Reserves before he got a gig.

It's tough cookies at the moment, breaks here, brakes there...Weidemann was holding his marks last night - against weak opposition however. I like the lad, his time will come.

Edited April 30, 20213 yr by dieter

5 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

Given we are 6-0, if we change our structure as you suggest, and we keep winning, are we actually any smarter?

However, if we change our structure and we lose a game seemingly because of this change, we know that the original structure was better.

Therefore maybe stick with what we have until it breaks?

I would argue that losing a game in the regular season is worth it if we have a fitter and better side in September.

Just shows what a great position we are in when we have quite a few in the two's including the Weid that would normally be playing in the one's. Also it shows how good we are if he leaves for another club at end of year because he can't get a game. Normally they leave for a better team and opportunities to play in finals. It is what it is and I hope he stays as a 23 year old key forward don't come around that often.

9 minutes ago, Docs Demons said:

Just shows what a great position we are in when we have quite a few in the two's including the Weid that would normally be playing in the one's. Also it shows how good we are if he leaves for another club at end of year because he can't get a game. Normally they leave for a better team and opportunities to play in finals. It is what it is and I hope he stays as a 23 year old key forward don't come around that often.

If Weid leaves it would be a disaster.

Understand the need to play for the now but I doubt anyone believes T-Mac holds this form/stays injury free for the whole year.

He simply has to come in over the next week or two.

 

4 minutes ago, BW511 said:

If Weid leaves it would be a disaster.

Understand the need to play for the now but I doubt anyone believes T-Mac holds this form/stays injury free for the whole year.

He simply has to come in over the next week or two.

 

He will, if he keeps smashing the door ? down. The job of the 2’s 

39 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

If he doesn't play next week he will leave to another club at the end of season and we will be stuck with a 30 year old Tom McDonald as our key forward in 2022.  Need I remind everyone of what McDonald did in 2019 and 2020.  

It would be a list management disaster.

#bringintheweid

So matter of fact. He kicked 4 against a patchwork North reserves under a roof. If Brown and Tomald both kick 5 is he still an automatic in in your mind?