Tolstoys Nudge 1,892 Posted November 17, 2020 Posted November 17, 2020 As stated last week, it was never in doubt. People like Jay Clark need to take a long hard look at themselves!!! 5 Quote
Tolstoys Nudge 1,892 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 46 minutes ago, No Plan B said: Only one year added to current deal. Would have liked at least double that. Happy though. The guy did some insane things in his first year and you can see he was one of the most popular guys at the hub based on player IG stories and the social media releases over the journey. That’s the contract that was always gonna he done, for both club and Jackson it’s the right move. 3 Quote
Deeoldfart 8,199 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 Now that news turned a crap day into something much better for me! LJ will make huge strides in the next couple of years. Why would he commit to a long term deal now? Much better to defer for a couple of years when his real worth will be known, and he will get paid accordingly. 6 Quote
Demon3 2,541 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 we have 2 years now to push hard for the finals. It really is on teh club to make finals, capitalise on talent we have and get the club out of the mediocrity of mid table. The club cannot expect players to stay in a side that has delivered sweet f all in terms of success. Build it and they will come (and stay) 2 Quote
Sir Why You Little 37,449 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 It is now up to the MFC to win Finals, to give LJ a reason to stay longer. it’s a business 4 Quote
Diamond_Jim 12,758 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, McQueen said: 1 year? Great to have an extension but I’m a bit underwhelmed. x 2 2 Quote
McQueen 17,867 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said: Do you mean you've been underwhelmed by Jackson or by the length of the contract extension? The length of the extension. I can appreciate all the new variables players, managers and clubs are dealing with but 1 year is an outlier imo. 1 Quote
spalding 1,128 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 37 minutes ago, Demon3 said: we have 2 years now to push hard for the finals. It really is on teh club to make finals, capitalise on talent we have and get the club out of the mediocrity of mid table. The club cannot expect players to stay in a side that has delivered sweet f all in terms of success. Build it and they will come (and stay) I get tired with this "it is really on the club to make finals" commentary that seems to completely over look that at least some of the onus is on the players. As bad as many seem to think Goodwin is at coaching, 2018 would seem to suggest that if they don't make it in 2021 it can't be 100% his fault 2 Quote
spalding 1,128 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 If LJ believes in himself he would have been nuts to extend beyond 2022 - as he could be worth so much more than he is now (either to us or to another club). Its when the player is seeking the long term deal that you need to be wary, as it suggests that they themselves (or their manager) is seeking to maximise a good run of form, or see their football mortality coming either due to age or injury. Jack Viney and Tmac are good examples of this. Problem is that someone else will often be prepared to pay what they are asking at the time so more often than not they get it. 1 Quote
Docs Demons 1,810 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 Fantastic news with this 1 year extension. Good move by him and club. He now has 2 seasons to prove himself and gain a better contract in 22 1 Quote
dworship 3,343 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said: x 2 If you look through the contract lists there seems to be an attempt to spread the years so that we don't find ourselves in a Woods type position. I don't know if it would be comfortable to renegotiate all 3 "go home factor" players in the same year. Quote
nosoupforme 3,085 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 Great news LJ is put aside for now as he is contracted to the end of 2022. Now for Clayton Oliver the most important signing to come that would make it perfect. 3 Quote
Diamond_Jim 12,758 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, dworship said: If you look through the contract lists there seems to be an attempt to spread the years so that we don't find ourselves in a Woods type position. I don't know if it would be comfortable to renegotiate all 3 "go home factor" players in the same year. The norm for recruits is a two year extension on their opening two years. One year extension is definitely an oddity. Money wise for the club it will cost more as well if he is successful. Sure you can spin it on so many grounds but it remains an outlier. Quote
Sir Why You Little 37,449 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said: The norm for recruits is a two year extension on their opening two years. One year extension is definitely an oddity. Money wise for the club it will cost more as well if he is successful. Sure you can spin it on so many grounds but it remains an outlier. We recruited a Young Talent from Interstate We have to make him want to stay... It’s a Business 2 Quote
Demon3 2,541 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, spalding said: I get tired with this "it is really on the club to make finals" commentary that seems to completely over look that at least some of the onus is on the players. As bad as many seem to think Goodwin is at coaching, 2018 would seem to suggest that if they don't make it in 2021 it can't be 100% his fault When i say the club i mean players as well, of course its on them, its one the coaches, the players and the football club. Everyone. 2 Quote
The Chazz 4,077 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said: We recruited a Young Talent from Interstate We have to make him want to stay... It’s a Business The point is, SWYL, that we recruit this young talent to help make us better. If, in 2 years, we aren't better, then part of that responsibility has to fall back on the young talent that we've brought it. They contribute to us being better. Quote
Sir Why You Little 37,449 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, The Chazz said: The point is, SWYL, that we recruit this young talent to help make us better. If, in 2 years, we aren't better, then part of that responsibility has to fall back on the young talent that we've brought it. They contribute to us being better. He will be a talent. Yes we have to guide and push him to extract that talent. But if we don’t or can’t, he will leave. We should know the answer in 2 years 1 Quote
Demon_spurs 1,984 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 I have a work mate from WA who had Luke over at his house a few weeks ago (his son played with both LJ and Riv), ......anyhow my mate was asking when he was gojng to come back and play for the West Coast, whereas LJ shook his head gave a fist pump and a big smile and said "GO DEES!!!!". He's a beauty alright. 1 4 Quote
PaulRB 6,435 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 With the addition of Ben Brown, Luke has the best learning environment and mentors for his development over the next 2-3 years, in each of those areas where he could grow and play... Tall forward - Ben Brown Ruck - Max Gawn Ruck rover/midfielder - Christian Petracca/ Clayton Oliver Add the coaches and opportunity to play in a team just starting to bloom into a finals regular (i know NOTHING is gauranteed), and he's in the best place he could be. Quote
hemingway 7,633 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 Very philosophical these days. As we have seen over recent weeks, contracts are becoming less important. They reflect intention today (by club and player) but not in the future. Jackson has the opportunity to improve his value over the next two seasons and then have every club including those from WA pursue him. Whether we can hold onto our young talent will be determined by team success and salary cap issues. Even then other variables can play a part such as the Perth go home factor. For players like Oliver and Petracca it’s success and money. Add to success and money, loyalty, but only for some. With money, clubs are going to be constrained by salary cap issues, and the Collingwood mess is the current example. At any one time there will always be a club that can work the cap in order to secure a top player. Sadly, it’s become a meat market and all clubs will see top players leave. Often player loyalty is to the detriment of the player. You can’t blame the players who have a limited time to make their money and enjoy team success. Supporters will have to like it or lump it. When the team is successful it becomes easier to like it, but seeing players leave a struggling club means that many supporters will lose heart in their club. I don’t see the future being a bright one for the older and/or loyal supporters. The latest set of trades, I find disheartening and not good for the heart and soul of the game. Or the culture of clubs or the AFL. 1 Quote
Adam The God 30,706 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 2 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said: I assume his management took the one year, while the cap is low, then will look for a real payday when he’s proven himself this year and next. If the economy improves by end of 2021, his next contract could be huge. It won't. The next 4-5 years will be beyond stagnant. I don't like the one year contract. Commit a bit longer. We took the punt on you at pick 3. I'll take the one year, but not particularly happy about it. 1 Quote
spirit of norm smith 16,677 Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 Great news. Everybody do the Happy dance !! why would he ever go back !! They shut their borders to us “over East “. 1 Quote
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