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51 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

Not only directed at you but I don't understand why so many people don't rate Mahoney.  Every year he does a heap with the hand he's dealt.

 

 

i totally agree. Mahoney is great. He's always proactive and at least i can sleep at night knowing that [censored] is going down. I don't know if people are conveniently forgetting that he got pick 6 and 23 for Hogan who is now worth only pick 56. Sure, a bit of luck was on our side with that one but if you're going to criticise Mahoney for every pick then at least acknowledge the good he has done.

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    I’ve always wanted pick 43.

    Will be the edge we need next year, Mark my words.

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    Ruthless! This deal is the zephyr, billowing the sails of our merciless journey, till shores of 2021 we embark, to pillage and vanquish our foe. Remorse has no kin here. Our enemies will rue the day we wrenched pick 43 from those hapless fools. 

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    18 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

    I’ve always wanted pick 43.

    Will be the edge we need next year, Mark my words.

    I'd prefer 42 - the Meaning of Life (and ANB if I recall?)

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    The 2020 draft is supposedly significantly compromised by father son and academy picks etc, as we heard from Josh M when he traded away our 2020 first round pick plus 2019 picks 26 and 50 for North’s 2019 first rounder. Back then he downplayed the value of the 2020 draft pick.

    We’ve done this trade to move up 10 places this year, but will very likely drop back more than 10 places next year.

    Just say the teams happen to finish in the same positions in 2021 as they did this year, 4th and 9th, we drop back 23 picks in 2021 - ie swapping pick 46 for pick 69. We’d have to finish 8 places higher than the Lions in 2021 in order to drop back by just the 10 pick positions we’ve improved by this year. If the 2021 draft is less compromised than this one then we’d still be behind. And if we do worse in 2021 and Lions do better than 4th, a very big pick loss looms.

    I don’t understand the value of this trade, unless it does have something to do with what North are asking for re Ben Brown.

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    I think the Dees thought we were getting Noah Answerth. 
     

    We swap you pick 53 and future 3rd round 

    for

    your future 4th round AND THAT NUMBER 43. 
     

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    If Melbourne are only planning to use two picks in 2021 due to reducing list sizes, or a rookie list upgrade, then they’ve moved up 10 spots in 2020 and lost nothing they value doing it (i.e. a 2021 third they weren’t going to use).

    Assuming Preuss brings in something in the 30s and Hannan similar or maybe 40s, Melbourne are starting to build up a decent set of picks to swap with a club wanting points for NGA or father/son picks for a substantial pick upgrade or maybe a player.

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    If dees trade 26 and 43 to dogs it's just under what their pick 14 is worth (according to points index).  If we throw in Hannan, does it get the deal done?

     

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    2 hours ago, Pollyanna said:

    Interesting - looks like we're gearing up for a major pick upgrade this year.

    That move prevents us from trading our 2021 1st rounder.

    why? 

    1 hour ago, DeeZee said:

    I’ve always wanted pick 43.

    Will be the edge we need next year, Mark my words.

    i mean i'd take 43 over 53 purely on the basis our last TWO 53s have been TOM AND OSCAR F@#%ING MCDONALD

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    Still a while to go in the trade period and we can also trade picks on draft night.  With Mahoney stating that we are aiming to improve our draft position I suspect this is only the first manoeuvre. With the likely departures of Hannan and Preuss we are likely to see further trades to get up in the draft, most likely trying to get back into the first round. There is also the possibility of these picks being utilised for a player be it Brown or someone else. 

    Yes we did trade out of the first round this year, but if the recruiters have identified a player they like and want to trade up for them then I'm all for it.

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    21 minutes ago, Turner said:

    why? 

    i mean i'd take 43 over 53 purely on the basis our last TWO 53s have been TOM AND OSCAR F@#%ING MCDONALD

    To trade a future first you have to possess a future 2nd, 3rd and 4th. We are now light on for a future 3rd. But there's plenty of opportunities to get it back. Could be the Preuss trade for instance.

    I'm a bit of a skeptic on Mahoney's plan to get deals done early to then be in a position to evaluate later in trade period. But these are probably the deals best done early so there isn't any snags when it comes to making more important deals.

    I don't think we'll be trading our future first though. It's likely too big a risk to take it out of a clean draft and try to move up in to this mess of a draft.

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    There have been a few good players taken at 43.

    ·        Adam Goodes – 372 games

    ·        Lindsay Gilbee – 206

    ·        Mark Williams – 115

    ·        Breet Peake – 118

    ·        Andrew Swallow – 224

    ·        Easton Wood – 173

    ·        Esava Ratugolea – 40

    ·        Corey Wagner – 19

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    4 hours ago, youami said:

    If dees trade 26 and 43 to dogs it's just under what their pick 14 is worth (according to points index).  If we throw in Hannan, does it get the deal done?

     

    Nah, bulldogs would be able to get a better deal pointswise from another club for their pick 14.

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    7 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

    We can't trade our future first now (not that we should) 

    Can someone clarify the rules around this? A brief Google search hasn't given me any clear rules on how trading future late picks affects future early picks (I was hoping there would be an explainer piece on afl.com.au) but it does sounds vaguely familiar.

    You'd have to assume Mahoney is fully across the rules but it obviously does tie our hands a bit if a great trade opportunity presented itself over the next week. I trust him that he's got something up his sleeve with this one but it does at present look like a strange deal to do so early in the trade period.

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    31 minutes ago, Dee man said:

    Can someone clarify the rules around this? A brief Google search hasn't given me any clear rules on how trading future late picks affects future early picks (I was hoping there would be an explainer piece on afl.com.au) but it does sounds vaguely familiar.

    You'd have to assume Mahoney is fully across the rules but it obviously does tie our hands a bit if a great trade opportunity presented itself over the next week. I trust him that he's got something up his sleeve with this one but it does at present look like a strange deal to do so early in the trade period.

    https://www.afl.com.au/news/202143/future-trading-given-goahead-but-with-restrictions

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    AFL general counsel Andrew Dillon said the following rules would govern trading of future draft picks:
    -       Clubs can trade one year in the future only.
    -       Clubs must make at least two first-round selections in each four-year period. If they don't, they will face restrictions from trading any further first-round draft picks.
    -       If a club trades a future first-round selection, it may not trade any other future selection from that same draft. But if a club keeps its future first-round selection, it can trade any of its future selections from other rounds.

     

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    Just for [censored] and giggles.

    • Pick 26 + 43 = Pick 16 on points value.
    • Pick 26 + 43 + Preuss = GWS Pick 10  - Values Preuss @ pick 49
    • Pick 26 + 43 + Preuss = GWS Pick 13* - Values Preuss @ pick 64 

    *Assuming GWS get pick 13 for Cameron

     

     

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    We have proven ourselves to be ahead of the curve on the points system, and trading draft picks.

    Any criticism of Mahoney in this regard is Trump-esque.

     

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    Mahoney said

    “We believe 43 is a versatile type, who can play at either end of the ground, good running and strong at the contest.  Very good year and should develop through the AFL system”.  

     

     

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    15 hours ago, youami said:

    If dees trade 26 and 43 to dogs it's just under what their pick 14 is worth (according to points index).  If we throw in Hannan, does it get the deal done?

     

    What do we do with 14 Youi in your opinion we need a couple of ready tp go players not newbies 

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    With so many NGA, F/S and Academy players touted to go in the top 20 a lot of mid/high 2nd round picks will be used to match the bids.  Every chance that pick #43 will become somewhere around the mid-30's. 

    So a good swap from #53 to #43 shrinking to #35 +/-. 

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    25 minutes ago, Nasher said:

    Right? It’s almost like Mahoney trades to a strategy and not for the entertainment of the fans.

    Very sharp this morning Nasher, razor blades for breakfast?

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    Can't help but think we're trying to gather up some later picks with this deal, Hannan, Preuss and looking to offer up a few selections to the dogs for their first rounder, given their desire for points. 

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